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JamesE
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 Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: The Doujin Scene and Underage Girls: God, Why? |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:44 am |
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It's an autobiographical account of me encountering moe and being freaked the hell out - obsessive (male) fanboys who fixate on young women are perhaps something to freak out about. I don't see this commented on elsewhere and it saddens me and freaks me the fuck out.
http://ea.zeroesunlimited.com/articles/moemania.shtml
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| As you read this, you get a sense of what I'm talking about, and no sense of what Akamatsu is talking about. We read the first definition and it seems straightforward enough; you see someone or something cute, it warms your heart and you go “awwwww” in a goofy voice. It's so sweet, so pure; fresh, white snow on a mountaintop dotted by evergreens, a basket full of newborn kittens, a happy little girl out with her dad, carrying around a big red balloon. Everything is wonderful! That first definition is full-on horseshit, and Akamatsu knows it. Remember, we are talking about the otaku vernacular. Have we ever done anything entirely pure and beautiful without the whole thing erected on a toothpick-thin foundation of sexual hangups? |
We found one (one!) game on there that didn't use the moe aesthetic. It was about jet fighters. I'm downloading it now. Why does everyone insist on ramming it in? It's cliched. It shows no imagination or character design panache. It's a pretty unattractive drawing style, and the subcultural connatations are just... grim. Worrying, even! I don't want tweeny maid fetish in my 2D run and gun games - asthetic is a big part of 2D, it always has been, and this is a horrible asthetic. I want to provoke debate, not you being a shithead and flaming me when you could be making a point and we could be doing this like sane adults.
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| This is worse than those posts on IC about robot games or whatever. Those had content valuable to *somebody*. |
Yeah, the one guy who fucking wrote them!
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| This is just "hay guys look at me" bullshit that belongs in a livejournal. |
Blog stuff is welcome here. I blogged. Deep breaths, now. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:48 am |
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| I disapprove of an article critical of pederastery in videogames |
Hi Baines! I hope he takes the time to screen your avatar first.
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JamesE
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:14 am |
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| This shit has been addressed. It comes up fairly often. Heck, the article you linked is perhaps my favorite description of the lol-tastic phenomenon of moe ever. |
Moe in games, Legato - I've never seen anyone diss a moe game, either because they miss 2D gaming that badly or they're OK with a homogenised, pedo-bait-astic design asthetic. Half of the stuff that gets featured on the IC frontpage has moe, it seems. Nippon Icchi seem to do pretty good trade in it, with the disclaimer that she's really an ancient evil demon or whatever.
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| You're exaggerating stupidly for shock and "look at them sick otaku" value, and I'm calling you on it. |
I'm discussing the site I visited and a trend I've noticed - you're the one going on the warpath because someone dared to insult animu, which perhaps you watch a wee bit too much of. Not that I have time for an intervention here.
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| Yeah, a lot of them games are like that. So? It ain't anywhere near all of them, and you can find a bunch of non-Japanese amateur software of similar or worse "deviant" art styles. The majority of the doujin games that get passed around on the English-speaking parts of the internet aren't pornographic or typically even particularly fanservice-filled (read: panty shots). |
The more doujin-savvy voice in my AIM window says "that's blatantly untrue", especially when you add in visual novels/hentai games. There's plenty of non-doujin stuff but it tends to be older. I like Kenta Cho, Pixel and whoever wrote Cho Ren Sha 68k. Fuck, I namechecked those games and desginers in the first post.
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| If you want to see the disgusting heights of moe, check out some of the commercial releases in Japan sometime. |
We all know about Battle Raper, man, The line between doujin and commercial releases is blurred, especially so when things like Melty Blood come into play. The site I mentioned is serving up games you'd be expected to buy, not freeware.
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| Would you have preferred it if it had been a whole bunch of furry-themed amateur games? Wait, I think I know the answer to that. |
It was the part about mole-like adaptations that touched a nerve, right? |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:15 am |
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| Deets wrote: |
| This thread could have been a new Green and Black Attack :( |
Soon! |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 10:41 pm |
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I'm playing Mega Mari right now. Level design seems a bit like the work of a no-style rookie - lotsa stuff you can't see coming, which seems unfair, since Mega Mari should be twitchy as hell, not a memorisation fest (the concept is bullet hell Mega Man with little witch girls). The stage graphics feel overly slick and a bit soulless.
I'll give it time. The design aesthetic is bullshit, though.
Actually I just shut it off to play the SoR remake. It seems very lazy and unfocused. The concept of a curtain-fire Mega Man makes me hot, though.
Melty Blood still has the same fucking ugly art style that so much jap freeware falls prey to. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:10 am |
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Legato I'd be able to maintain my considerable respect for you a lot more easily if you didn't turn into a giant moaning puss the second someone speaks unkindly about your stupid wong bong dong cartoons. They are not an extension of yourself. My flatmate takes mortal offense any time south park is insulted and you know what? It's boring as fuck. Do you self-identity as an ANIME FAN? Because that's sort of kind of sad.
I'm still working out the art of frontpage posting and it was just supposed to be a quick blog entry about how I didn't want to play lots of free 2D games because they all had stupid little girls in. I may amend it to express my disappointment with Mega Mari (which is half-cocked shit) and my infatuation with Blue Sabers, the only game that wasn't aimed at fat pimply beardos in kimotos (sup Klickbeep?) and has a really nice gimmick to suppliment it's essential Raidenness. I suppose I could toss out a few links to freeware but there are already around 4000 sites online that watch that shit like hawks and we need ourselves a fuckin' niche.
Sega comics tomorrow, resizing scans is a chore. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:45 pm |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:17 am |
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| I knew benroit or whatever his name was was a pedophile as soon as I saw his avatar! |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:44 am |
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Yeah, a one-liner jab represents a major diversion in this thread. Well done, your frantic straining (for making poos) has once again given the floor, and I cede to your fat goth timcloneness. Cool it off, screech.
Or: someone with a child-like avatar with big cutesy wutesy eyes, a fairy thing and a shapely bust is at least a tiny bit more likely to support getting off on looking at kids. They've already demonstrated an affinity towards sexualised yet infantalised characters.
I need to mail Tim (your infinitely superior genetic initeration) about that Sonic article. I'm really excited for it! |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 9:09 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
You're contradicting yourself. What is loli now? Pornography, or sexualisation? Moe girls aren't necessarily shown nude. Certainly not the ones in fighting games.
I was talking about the moe fans, not loli fans, as that's what this Force Feedback article complains about, no? |
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