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The Doujin Scene and Underage Girls: God, Why?

 
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Triton



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:35 am        Reply with quote

Is it thoroughly impossible to view little girls as cute without sex entering the picture anymore? I mean it's a bit ridiculous, there are plenty of games that star young boys as protagonists, and nobody is sexualizing them.

For instance I find the girls in the Touhou games cute, but I'm certainly not sporting wood when I play. I don't argue there are those who do, but it's certainly not the game's fault. If they aren't masturbating to lolikon, they would be to the JCPenney catalog.

Believe it or not, there are actual real living, breathing, heterosexual females who find this sort of stuff aesthetically pleasing too, because it's cute, not because it's erotic.

These games are not available for purchase outside of Japan. Most of them being sold at comic conventions, they're barely available inside Japan. While I certainly don't condone piracy, I don't think they're hurting anyone's bottom line.

There are more games on there than you think that don't fit the "Moe" style as well, maybe you need to look a little harder!

DeusJester used to have a sig with a picture of Samidare in it. I asked a "doujin savvy" friend where the pic came from, and through encounters on other forums and searches on google, I was lead to simulationstyle for the download. Judging by association and sweeping generalization that means that all parties involved must be huge flaming pedophiles, right?
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Triton



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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:18 am        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
Triton wrote:
If they aren't masturbating to lolikon, they would be to the JCPenney catalog.

Lolicon are the men who are into lolis, which are young girls.

Sorry, my mistake, I always thought lolicon was the name of erotic manga with the moe aesthetic, but now that I think about it that doesn't make good sense.

I heard an interesting word the other day, sophistry, and I immediately thought of this thread. I guess pedophilia is such a touchy subject that it almost implies a deceptive argument, from either proponent.

Intentionally Wrong wrote:
It's a coherency issue.

Absolutely. A game that includes something as risque as a half naked child is probably trying to compensate for something though. Any game where the form of the characters doesn't match the theme of the game itself has design problems. This is like trying to define what an erotic photograph is, of any subject matter.

For me, Etna and Marona are perfectly suited for their environments, and Prier is quite clearly an adult. I know this isn't doujin, but I had seen NIS indicted for being "Moe". The shrine maidens of the Touhou games aren't even drawn using the same style as "generic anime", and they're perfectly suited to their game world. Then there's games where the technology is low and the character is made female simply to avoid looking too generic, like Lethal Application (which is great fun btw). They often end up looking "loli" in this case. I'm just trying to say that there are games where it is appropriate, at least to me.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:41 am        Reply with quote

Intentionally Wrong wrote:
I think you may have missed it when I said this.


Yeah, I did, thanks. I agree on disgaea, I can see why this would turn some people off. It certainly feels like the developers were more interested in creating the mechanics of the game before pretty much any other aspect. I think this is sort of the whole low-tech thing that I mentioned. I'm sure there wasn't too much money available for the project at least at first. They did what they could with the limited resources, and gave the game the "moe" theme because they knew there would be people receptive to it. If they hadn't, Disgaea might have never been published.

That's actually one of the big things that attracts me to homebrew and doujin software, the fact that it's imperfect. I guess to me something amazing created by one person (Cave Story) is more exceptional than the same thing created by a dozen people. Maybe it's the experience of, "the person that made this is just like me!", which kind of instills self confidence. Most of the commercial games I own have that imperfect doujin feel, I think that games like this need to really deliver in terms of gameplay in order to get published.

Maybe sometimes its ok to take shortcuts as long as the game delivers elsewhere?
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