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The Doujin Scene and Underage Girls: God, Why?

 
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BotageL
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:36 am        Reply with quote

Look, guys, I am pointing out a wacky anime fandom trend for shits and giggles and holding it up as an example of what it's all like! I am hip and cool and this has never been done before and certainly not better. Just look at them silly pedophile slanteyes! Japan is so wacky.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:53 am        Reply with quote

This shit has been addressed. It comes up fairly often. Heck, the article you linked is perhaps my favorite description of the lol-tastic phenomenon of moe ever. You're exaggerating stupidly for shock and "look at them sick otaku" value, and I'm calling you on it. Yeah, a lot of them games are like that. So? It ain't anywhere near all of them, and you can find a bunch of non-Japanese amateur software of similar or worse "deviant" art styles. The majority of the doujin games that get passed around on the English-speaking parts of the internet aren't pornographic or typically even particularly fanservice-filled (read: panty shots). If you want to see the disgusting heights of moe, check out some of the commercial releases in Japan sometime.

Would you have preferred it if it had been a whole bunch of furry-themed amateur games? Wait, I think I know the answer to that.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:58 am        Reply with quote

Oh yeah, in case anyone is wondering, that link James posted to the MoeMania article is not at all worksafe. It is however great reading.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:12 am        Reply with quote

Hey guys, is this moe enough for you?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 9:27 am        Reply with quote

JamesE wrote:
Moe in games, Legato - I've never seen anyone diss a moe game,

Not me fault you're in the wrong place at the wrong time!

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either because they miss 2D gaming that badly

That's an entirely different discussion.

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or they're OK with a homogenised, pedo-bait-astic design asthetic. Half of the stuff that gets featured on the IC frontpage has moe, it seems.

Not everyone has to examine it from a "some guy gets off on this" perspective.

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I'm discussing the site I visited and a trend I've noticed - you're the one going on the warpath because someone dared to insult animu, which perhaps you watch a wee bit too much of. Not that I have time for an intervention here.

Hah, like your other "interventions" have gone so well. Last I checked half the Axe wanted you to shut the fuck up for some reason or another. I'm quite content to watch some of the good stuff, laugh at the terrible stuff, and roll my eyes when someone whips out the "oh them crazy pedo jap cartoons" schtick.

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The more doujin-savvy voice in my AIM window says "that's blatantly untrue", especially when you add in visual novels/hentai games.

I wasn't referring to those. That is again another thing altogether. The porno stuff tends to go off on its own with the other porno stuff.

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There's plenty of non-doujin stuff but it tends to be older. I like Kenta Cho, Pixel and whoever wrote Cho Ren Sha 68k. Fuck, I namechecked those games and desginers in the first post.

How exactly are we defining "doujin" here now? It seems like it's gone from meaning "amateur" to "moemoe" during this discussion and nobody told me.

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We all know about Battle Raper, man,

You think I'm reffering to Battle Raper? It's almost cute how naiive you are about all of this.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 6:23 pm        Reply with quote

I apologize for somewhat snapping earlier in this thread - it was late and I had a headache.

However, I will attempt to clarify my complaints with James' post here:
- He immedietly goes for the "oh those wacky animu fans and their obsession with all things Japanese being better" stereotype. Commence eye-rolling.
- Whips out the "all of these games involve prepubescent girls" stereotype in the second paragraph.
- Brings in the usual "hey guys Japan is fucked up and creates pedophiles- I MEAN 'fans', just look at all the creepy costume cafes and shit man. ISN'T THAT ZANY?!" bullshit.
- Equates all portrayal of any girl that doesn't look like an american supermodel with the lol-tastic "moe" trend, which is only sometimes (okay, usually) linked to pedophilia.

You lack tact, you do little more than trot out old stereotypes for shits 'n' giggles, you offer no insight into any of this, and don't even talk about what particular games offended you so so one could properly respond to your claims of "oh them jap doujin games are all pedo-bait except three or four stock freeware games everyone and their dog already knows about."
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 6:34 am        Reply with quote

Oh, okay. I see. Somewhere along the line "boring anime style" got reworded as "pedorific moe crap." That explains a lot about this post. It doesn't make it any less dumb or generally poor for a front page post (which is supposed to represent the best and most interesting topics of discussion, right?). Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of the generic animu style, but I'm quite willing to look past it in favor of seeing what the actual games have to offer, and not make silly sweeping generalizations about all Japanese amateur computer games.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 4:00 am        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 8:38 pm        Reply with quote

The Internet does that to a lot of things. "Hentai" doesn't actually mean "cartoon porn," and yet that's what the Internet uses the word for.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:16 pm        Reply with quote

So you're saying moe is a religion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:19 pm        Reply with quote

The elevator scene is legendary.

Has anyone youtubed it?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:54 am        Reply with quote

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I never made it all the way through EVA. Can you give me the gist of the scene? I am interested!

It is a monument to GAINAX's money-saving abilities, in that it is a few seconds of footage looped for a minute or so. See also: Kaworu's death scene.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 9:26 pm        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
Back up your claim, please.

Back up yours. If a person gets off on naked drawings of prepubescent girls, how is it any different than getting off to kiddie porn? Before you whip out the "lolicon doesn't hurt anyone, kiddie porn is real exploitation and abuse" argument, note that it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the viewer is a pedophile.
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