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Adilegian Rogue Scholar

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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:40 am |
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| dark steve wrote: |
wait you're supposed to do WHAT for your thesis?
That level of self-reflexivity sounds... corrosive? |
It's not, really.
The critical intro isn't the thesis itself. The main body of material consists of the best drafts of poems that I've written over the past three semesters, and that part adds up to about 50 pages. The critical intro has been a nebulous brat to write, and I've been asked that it focus upon my aesthetic, mentioning the writing that's influenced my sense of what my poems should become.
I've found that I cannot read traditional accentual-syllabic prosody (described with Latin names that sound painfully like scientific nomenclature: iambic pentameter, for example). It isn't a matter of misapplying technical words to metrical feet -- I consistently misidentify which syllables take a stress and which don't. Dickey's poems violate certain traditional metrical forms in a way that really excited me when I was younger, so I'm mainly describing what those are, why I value them, and then put my poems in the context of those observations.
Scrutinizing my own aesthetic is tough, but identifying it at all is even tougher! Self-awareness can be gutting to creativity, sure, but it also helps you to recognize when you're repeating yourself unhealthily. _________________
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Felix unofficial repository
Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: vancouver
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:09 am |
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| shrugtheironteacup wrote: |
All my further Auster readings seem to have taught me is that Auster never gets over the stuff he was chewing over with The New York Trilogy when I was a toddler.
And he seems to become a more boring stylist as he digs deeper and deeper into his own navel. |
This is true, but he wrote Invention of Solitude first, and it might be his best work - similar to Nick Hornby, who got memoir published before any of his fiction.
Also, it doesn't really change the fact that Moon Palace occasionally reads like my autobiography. |
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: a meat
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:55 pm |
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| Felix wrote: |
| shrugtheironteacup wrote: |
All my further Auster readings seem to have taught me is that Auster never gets over the stuff he was chewing over with The New York Trilogy when I was a toddler.
And he seems to become a more boring stylist as he digs deeper and deeper into his own navel. |
This is true, but he wrote Invention of Solitude first, and it might be his best work - similar to Nick Hornby, who got memoir published before any of his fiction.
Also, it doesn't really change the fact that Moon Palace occasionally reads like my autobiography. |
Yeah, I read Invention of Solitude and was pretty moved, then made the mistake of going straight to Hand To Mouth, which rehashed a lot of the same stuff with less insight and far worse prose. Put that off to read New York Trilogy, went "this is really quite OK!", pushed into some more of his fiction at length and, well. _________________
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: a meat
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Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: for stotelheim |
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the Aeneid of Virgil
good casual toilet reading _________________
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Ness banned
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:40 am |
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| 420 pages into Donna Tartt's A Secret History. I can already tell I will miss this book after I finish it. |
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Ness banned
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:16 am |
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| Ness wrote: |
| 420 pages into Donna Tartt's A Secret History. I can already tell I will miss this book after I finish it. |
I'm finished and glad to be rid of it. The pain still hasn't subsided. |
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Adilegian Rogue Scholar

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Q*Bert Killscreen Nightmare
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Posted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 1:16 am Post subject: Re: for stotelheim |
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| shrugtheironteacup wrote: |
the Aeneid of Virgil
I shat myself and so shall you |
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negativedge banned
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:10 am |
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| So, Gravity's Rainbow is a pretty dense little number, guys. |
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Dracko a sapphist fool

Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:12 am |
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| The world is done: J.G. Ballard is dead. |
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: a meat
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:50 am |
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He can die? _________________
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Winona Ghost Ryder lives in a monochromatic world

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:32 pm |
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dark steve secretary of good times

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: long live the new flesh
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Dracko a sapphist fool

Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:59 am |
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| Guys, you have no idea how badly this affects me. :( |
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shrugtheironteacup man of tomorrow

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: a meat
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 3:38 am |
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It's funny. I started with some of Ballard's more recent stuff years and years ago, not getting to his older work until more recently. Almost exactly a year ago I bought a copy of Crash in an english book store in Chiang Mai, finally read it in a security booth in Alaska.
Picked up the Crystal World and related after returning to Oregon and read them before the new year.
It was like he grew younger and more vital as time went on. _________________
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falsedan

Joined: 13 Dec 2006 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:05 pm |
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The Man in the High Castle has me by the balls and I love it. _________________
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elvis.shrugged
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 10:36 pm |
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The Man in the High Castle is incredible. The amount of research that Dick put into the history of it is epic. _________________ last.fm
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Tulpa

Joined: 31 Jul 2008
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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 11:20 pm |
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I started reading the Man Who Was Thursday. I really like it! GK Chesterton is a hell of a stylist. _________________
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Renfrew catchy, and giger-esque

Joined: 31 Dec 2006 Location: Hometown: America
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Posted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:37 am |
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When I was a kid my dad read The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings to me several times and since then, I've tried to read them myself but I never get to far. I tended to find them just dull and too slow and not enough action for fantasy novels.
However, a few weeks ago some of my friends wanted to do a LotR extended edition marathon and that kind of got me in the mood to try the books again. I started reading Fellowship and I loved it. I found it to be very charming. As a kid I found all the details to be dull and slow and boring, but now they just add to the rich world. I am totally obsessed with back stories and mythology, often to the point where I find the history presented in a fiction world to be more interesting than the main story itself, so I love love love all the hints and shout outs to Tolkien's in depth and never completed mythology.
So I finished Fellowship and read a couple of other things and moved on to the Two Towers. What I mainly remembered from that is "we ran x leagues this day and then slept and then ran some more leagues and then we had some more leagues to run so we ran some more leagues," and I never followed this entire book at all very well when I was younger. IT made a good deal more sense now and my favorite parts of it were probably the hobbits time with the ents and the other hobbits time with Faramir (mainly for all the mythology talk). However by the time Aragorn's half of the book ended I was just ready to move on. I struggled through most of the second half not paying all that much attention and really just wanting to get it done so I could move on to other things.
The first of the above mentioned other things is Hemingway's The Sun Also Rises. I'm not all that far into it yet but I'm really really digging Jake and Bret's relationship and I can't wait to read more.
After that I'm going to tackle Snow Crash. I remember you guys talking about it a long time ago and always meant to get it, and now finally have. _________________
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negativedge banned
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:30 am |
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| negativedge wrote: |
| So, Gravity's Rainbow is a pretty dense little number, guys. |
that took a long time. probably not long enough |
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Levi

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 4:37 am |
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Guys I am contributing to the literature thread to suggest everyone read Lafcadio Hearn who has not already, since it seems he hasn't been mentioned in all the long years of SB. For those who do not know, he is the ideal demon fusion of Tim Rogers and H.P. Lovecraft -- A man among men who can weave a single essay about architecture into a discussion about evolutionary reincarnation that then veers into perfume recipe trading before resolving itself by talking about ghosts.
Freely available at Project Gutenberg! All his books are pretty good! Even the one about America! |
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Intentionally Wrong

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 7:36 am |
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Wow, this thread got long while I wasn't looking.
Just finished Gravity's Rainbow, which was great, and picked up Infinite Jest. I was actually looking for stuff by J. G. Ballard or Robert Coover, but the bookstore didn't have anything. Anybody have experience with their work?
EDIT: Oh, wow, I should have just jumped right to the last page. |
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Shiren the Launderer

Joined: 25 Sep 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 3:47 am |
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I’ve been enjoying the new Thomas Pynchon novel, Inherent Vice. The most striking thing about is that if you had handed me the first 30 pages, I would have staked my life I was reading the opening of the new Elmore Leonard.
The lean, witty lines recounting the exploits of hippy private dick Doc Sportello in Sixties LA (albeit with a nod to Raymond Chandler) absolutely smacks of Leonard and his humorous imagination (how about a crooked Jewish property developer with Nazi biker bodyguards?).
In some ways it’s a surprise to see Pynchon, one of the most sophisticated, high-caste and demanding of American writers, dancing naked; on the other hand it isn’t, because there’s something about the crime novel, the thriller, hardboiled noir , whatever you want to call it that literary novelists find fascinating and often irresistible. |
http://christopherschuler.independentminds.livejournal.com/4288.html |
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crispyambulance
Joined: 09 Dec 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 4:16 pm |
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I reread this thread and made a list of books to read (at work).
Stranger in a Strange World by Heinlein
Pale Fire by Nabokov
Gravity's Rainbow by Pynchon
Elizabeth Costello by Coetzee
Cryptonomicon by Stephenson
If This Is a Man by Levi
Catch-22 by Heller
Book of the New Sun by Wolfe
Childhood's End by Clarke
Notes of a Dirty Old Man by Bukowski
Blood Meridian by McCarthy
Moby Dick by Melville
The Chrysanthemum and the Sword: Patterns of Japanese Culture by Benedict
On Chesil Beach by McEwan
Invisible Man by Ellison
Midnight's Children by Rushdie
The Razor's Edge by Maugham
So far. Please help me improve it! Are these books good places to start with these authors? I've only read Bukowski and Nabokov before. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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Dracko a sapphist fool

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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:35 pm |
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| Needs more Borges. |
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Shiren the Launderer

Joined: 25 Sep 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 6:42 pm |
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| Cryptonomicon is dumb. Maybe read Infinite Jest instead if you want to read a sprawling Pynchon-esque novel. |
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Broco

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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 8:19 pm |
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| Elizabeth Costello is a very experimental work and an unconventional place to start with J.M. Coetzee (it happened to be where I started, and I liked it, but your mileage may vary). His most widely praised work is Disgrace. |
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crispyambulance
Joined: 09 Dec 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:06 pm |
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Why is Cryptonomicon dumb? This thread has some glowing posts about Snow Crash and then a few about how the ending is terrible, and I remembered that Tim said he liked Cryptonomicon somewhere so I figured it was perhaps a better place to start with Stephenson.
Broco, my tastes definitely tend more toward unconventional. I read the first few pages on Amazon because I didn't remember anything about Coetzee, and it seemed OK. Thanks for the tip. |
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Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: the planet of leather moomins
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Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:47 pm |
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Any of you have read some Column McCann?
He was invited in some radio program I stumbled upon, and he seemed like a genuinely smart man. This does not however mean I know what to expect from his books, so any comment appreciated first before I try looking some of his novels up. |
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Shiren the Launderer

Joined: 25 Sep 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 7:16 am |
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| crispyambulance wrote: |
| Why is Cryptonomicon dumb? This thread has some glowing posts about Snow Crash and then a few about how the ending is terrible, and I remembered that Tim said he liked Cryptonomicon somewhere so I figured it was perhaps a better place to start with Stephenson. |
Neil Stephenson is a smart guy and he devotes a lot of pages to showing the reader just how rad he is. This guy has it all figured out right down to how to best eat Captain Crunch. |
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gambrinus

Joined: 19 Dec 2006 Location: Boulder, CO
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 1:05 am |
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| Shiren the Launderer wrote: |
| crispyambulance wrote: |
| Why is Cryptonomicon dumb? This thread has some glowing posts about Snow Crash and then a few about how the ending is terrible, and I remembered that Tim said he liked Cryptonomicon somewhere so I figured it was perhaps a better place to start with Stephenson. |
Neil Stephenson is a smart guy and he devotes a lot of pages to showing the reader just how rad he is. This guy has it all figured out right down to how to best eat Captain Crunch. |
I don't really read Stephenson as egotistical so much as being like, "Hey guys, I think this stuff is neat. Don't you think it's neat?" Your enjoyment of his books will probably vary a lot depending on how neat you find it.
I really just thought Cryptonomicon was, in essence, about nerds in their different forms. The Captain Crunch bit was just a demonstration about the obsession that the personality type can bring. I found it particularly interesting seeing a picture of what nerds did before computers were around. |
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Capt. Caveman

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: behind the wall of sleep
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:47 pm |
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Cryptonomicon is fantastic, fuck the haters.
Anathem was pretty terrible. Somehow I managed to trudge about 3/4 of the way through before I realized I just didn't give a fuck about any of it and was wasting my time.
Borges fans: please read Brodie's Report, if you haven't already. If his early work in Labyrinths, Fictions, etc. set off tiny sparks in your head, Brodie's Report is a book which sticks a knife in your gut and slowly twists, smiling all the while (that there are literally lots of knives in the book is Thematically Important). The Penguin Classics edition is bundled with his short prose-etry volume In Praise of Darkness which is also well worth reading.
RIGHT NOW I've been reading Light in August which is not surprisingly, great, though I'm not that far in yet. Still, I can't deny the hypnotic power of Faulkner's prose. |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:58 pm |
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Joe Christmas might be the best character in fiction. (Just kidding, it's Achilles, but Joe Christmas is in the running for second.)
The other two though are sort of flawed. It's still a beautiful book. _________________ Let's Play, starring me. |
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:09 pm |
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| I am now reading Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse. I don't know why I didn't think enough of this to finish it in high school. Now I feel like a hopeless dork because I'm posting about a book about a boring day in the life of snooty turn of the century semi upperclass intellectuals on a video game forum. Also everything I'm reading is from like the 1920's. |
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boojiboy7 narcissistic irony-laden twat

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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:24 pm |
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| The Modernist period has some good stuff, dogg. Enjoy it. |
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Adilegian Rogue Scholar

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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:49 pm |
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Reading Thor Heyerdahl's Kon-Tiki, which is pretty awesome. A quick read, and a great account of an awesome adventure. _________________
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Tulpa

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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:39 pm |
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Reading Snorri Sturluson's Prose Edda right now. Anthony Faulkes Translation. It's quite fascinating. The euhemerizing is kind of annoying and blatantly silly. Odin became a descendant of King Priam of Troy, and Asgard, instead of being in the third heaven, is actually the city of Troy.
I like the translation. Whenever the name of an As has some folk etymology attached, the old icelandic word is shown in italics with a translation in brackets.
The actual writing style of eddic poetry is really confusing to follow but very interesting. _________________
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crispyambulance
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:05 am |
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| I'm reading Le grand cahier by Agota Kristof. I read somewhere that Itoi adapted bits from it into Mother 3, and I figured at eight dollars it'd be worth it at least to practice reading French. Every single character is a hilarious misfit, and I'm constantly switching between being surprised, repulsed and sympathetic by their unsettling antics. The French text is passably written, perhaps a little too terse and dry, but considering the personalities of the narrators, it's appropriate. Cool book. |
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YourImaginaryFriend

Joined: 17 Nov 2008 Location: Awesomeland.
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:36 am |
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Reading Hiroshima by John Hersey. The writing is methodical and not either sympathetic or apathic, just really a portrait of the lives and the event that it transcribes. Not quite sure on it yet, about halfway through and what is going on is pretty depressing. Certainly a good piece of journalism, but seeing as I don't know much about Hiroshima beyond basic know-how and the history classes, this is much more effective in painting the horror of it than I had previously known. Not that I didn't think it was horrible, I don't want to be misread in that regard, but it was certainly nothing I dwelled upon and for that I feel kind of like an apathetic jerk. _________________
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Shiren the Launderer

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 1:36 am |
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Publishers Weekly Inherent Vice review
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Inherent Vice Thomas Pynchon. Penguin Press, $27.95 (380p) ISBN 978-1-59240-224-7
Pynchon sets his new novel in and around Gordita Beach, a mythical surfside paradise named for all the things his PI hero, Larry “Doc” Sportello, loves best: nonnutritious foods, healthy babies, curvaceous femme fatales. We’re in early-’70s Southern California, so Gordita Beach inevitably suggests a kind of Fat City, too, ripe for the plundering of rapacious real estate combines and ideal for Pynchon’s recurring tragicomedy of America as the perfect wave that got away.
It all starts with Pynchon’s least conspicuous intro ever: “She came along the alley and up the back steps the way she always used to”—she being Doc’s old flame Shasta, fearful for her lately conscience-afflicted tycoon boyfriend, Mickey. There follow plots, subplots and counterplots till you could plotz. Behind each damsel cowers another, even more distressed. Pulling Mr. Big’s strings is always a villain even bigger. More fertile still is Pynchon’s unmatched gift for finding new metaphors to embody old obsessions. Get ready for glancing excursions into maritime law, the nascent Internet, obscure surf music and Locard’s exchange principle (on loan from criminology), plus a side trip to the lost continent of Lemuria. But there’s a blissful, sportive magnanimity, too, a forgiveness vouchsafed to pimps, vets, cops, narcs and even developers that feels new, or newly heartfelt. Blessed with a sympathetic hero, suspenseful momentum and an endlessly suggestive setting, the novel’s bones need only a touch of the screenwriter’s dark chiropractic arts to render perhaps American literature’s most movie-mad genius, of all things, filmable.
Inherent Vice deepens Pynchon’s developing California cycle, following The Crying of Lot 49 and Vineland with a shaggy-dog epic of Eden mansionized and Mansonized beyond recognition—yet never quite beyond hope. Across five decades now, he’s more or less alternated these West Coast chamber pieces with his more formidable symphonies (V; Gravity’s Rainbow; Mason & Dixon; Against the Day). Partisans of the latter may find this one a tad slight. Fans of the former will know it for the throwaway masterwork it is: playful as a dolphin, plaintive as whale song, unsoundably profound as the blue Pacific. (Aug.) |
http://www.publishersweekly.com/article/CA6668314.html?industryid=47141 |
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Tokyo Rude

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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:00 pm |
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| I am now reading Virginia Woolf's To The Lighthouse. I don't know why I didn't think enough of this to finish it in high school. Now I feel like a hopeless dork because I'm posting about a book about a boring day in the life of snooty turn of the century semi upperclass intellectuals on a video game forum. Also everything I'm reading is from like the 1920's. |
Is her fiction good? Because I despise her essays. |
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