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dmauro
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 Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:39 pm Post subject: Format War Over, HD-DVD Wins? |
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So apparently Sony doesn't want porn on Blu-Ray? What's this about? They didn't have a problem when it was on UMDs, and I'm sure they realize that it's an important industry.
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Persona-sama
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:27 pm |
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Whoa, Blu-Ray is finished.
Is this only for Japanese porn or American too?
Maybe porn won't decide this outcome thanks to Blu-Ray/HD-DVD burners?
What will happen to our poor Sony? Will it go the path of Beta and its superior quality over the VHS?
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dmauro
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:32 pm |
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It sounds like they were referring to an American company. I just can't imagine that there are people out there that are really into buying the highest quality movies imaginable, but aren't into porn. I don't see how it can't be a really bad move if true.
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Kipple
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Format War Over, HD-DVD Wins? |
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It's true that the porn industry was singlehandedly responsible for crowning VHS the victor over Beta...
Yet I don't think it's such a big deal in this case. Sure, it's yet another harmful blunder by Sony, but the lifeblood of the porn industry isn't renting/selling actual physical porno anymore. If people don't HAVE to leave their darkened rooms to see naked people screwing, then they prefer not to. Which is why I thought porn makers had generally come to the consensus that digital distribution was the way of the future, not physical media.
Plus I don't think there's really a demand or a significant market for HIGH DEFINITION fucking. Especially when the other option is easily downloadable videos. Ease of accessibility easily trumps quality in the marketplace of pornography. |
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Persona-sama
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:53 pm |
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It makes me wonder how porn will sell itself in this generation of disc media. Perhaps they'll include bloopers now with exclusive interviews with the actresses?
Speaking of Blu-Ray screw-ups, what's the deal with the case? They're like blue plastic junk boxes AOL used to send their discs in. It's hideous!
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SuperWes
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:54 pm |
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Yeah, the PS3 already lets you get online to look at porn (or so I hear...).
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Kipple
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:03 pm |
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| Persona-sama wrote: |
| Speaking of Blu-Ray screw-ups, what's the deal with the case? They're like blue plastic junk boxes AOL used to send their discs in. It's hideous! |
Yeah they're horrible. Of course, the HD-DVD cases aren't any better, although the color is more aesthetically pleasing... they all should have realized they had a good thing going with the standard-size DVD cases. |
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dmauro
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:16 pm |
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If I had the cash to spend on either a HD-DVD or BD Player, I would most definitely be into HD porn over internet porn. Internet porn is for us losers that don't spend money on the good stuff. Shit, I mean, porn is the one thing I most want to see in HD.
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:30 pm |
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Guys, outside Club Dork nobody cares about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.
Most people still don't have an HD set and even those who do don't even know how to set it up for proper viewing. Shit, here at my job I've had to set up 7 sets for other co-workers. And some have had these things for several years without realizing things their colors and aspect ratios were all fucked up!
Many folks now have massive personal DVD collections and they'll be damned if they're gonna switch now. People didn't even care about owning stuff on VHS. Tapes were expensive and they break.
Not having to rewind or fast forward is something people fucking appreciate and I believe was the biggest reason for the shift to the DVD format.
These new formats are just fighting over who'll be the next Laser-Disc.
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GcDiaz
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:47 pm |
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There are SOME movies that I'd repurchase in HD. Not all of them as a matter of principle, just the ones that I feel would benefit the most. The Fifth Element, Saving Private Ryan, Starship Troopers, maybe a few more. That's it, not really worth the outlay of $200 for the HDDVD add-on, or $600 for BD.
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FortNinety
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:48 pm Post subject: Re: Format War Over, HD-DVD Wins? |
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How well did those porn UMDs do in Japan? Because if they did well... way more so than regular films, I can see why Sony might view that as an embarassment.
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:00 pm |
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| Man, just think of the level of touch ups required to cover over hi-def herpes. |
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dmauro
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:04 pm |
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| Man, just think of the level of touch ups required to cover over hi-def herpes. |
Is that what the mosaic blur is all about?!
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dongle
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Format War Over, HD-DVD Wins? |
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| Kipple wrote: |
| the lifeblood of the porn industry isn't renting/selling actual physical porno anymore. If people don't HAVE to leave their darkened rooms to see naked people screwing, then they prefer not to. |
I don't want to become the porn king of SB (those who are friends with me on myspace already know about some of my uh friends on there), but DVD sales are unbelievably huge for porn still. People don't have to leave their rooms to get porn dvds- they order them online. I agree that digital distribution would make more sense, but there's almost a fetishistic collecting of the DVDs. I mean, a lot of netporn sites sell DVDs, and these DVDs sell well even though they offer no added extras or enhanced resolution or anything.
Thing is, there's a pretty big psychological difference between people who purchase porn and people who steal it/manage on free samples. |
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Pijaibros
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:35 pm |
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Well just choosing your favorite porn scene to enjoy in a nice little menu is a real dandy thing! Instead of the old standby of having to re-watch the first 10 minutes of a porn tape for several years every time you pop a tape in.
Fast forwarding just kills any momentum.
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regular chickens
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:48 pm |
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| Pretty clearly a false report; very likely fabricated with the intent of promoting this dude's latest porno. As noted elsewhere (neogaf), Sony doesn't control what's released on the format, and Vivid have a porn llineup due this year on BRD. Sony wouldn't be dumb enough to sink the format with such a restriction even if they did have this kind of control over the format. |
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Waffen
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:17 pm |
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all the $ony bitches on Gamefaqs are saying now that HD-DVD is done because it lost all its exclusive studios.
they're saying the war is over and Beta-Ray won.
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newave
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 3:15 am |
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| Speaking as someone who used to have to encode SD porn everyday for two years...i can tell you HD porn isnt gonna be too pretty...i dunno if you want to see some parts THAT clear. |
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Persona-sama
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:01 am |
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It looks like the porn industry will be hiring more video/composite editors then!
This is a lucrative career option for those of you living near the Chatsworth/Van Nuys area!
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Intentionally Wrong
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 6:08 am |
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| Pijaibros wrote: |
Guys, outside Club Dork nobody cares about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray.
These new formats are just fighting over who'll be the next Laser-Disc. |
Quoted for truth!
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Ashura
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 1:36 pm |
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I saw an HD porn once. I was amazed how clear the trees in the background, behind the couch full of lesbians, were.
| Persona-sama wrote: |
| It makes me wonder how porn will sell itself in this generation of disc media. Perhaps they'll include bloopers now with exclusive interviews with the actresses? |
They already do this on a lot of hentai anime releases. It was a big thing to get 'big names' in porn, like Jenna Jameson and whatnot as the voice 'actresses' in the dubs. They'd then do a long (usually topless) interview as an extra.
I've also seen some list commentaries as an extra. That has to be awesome. 'What was your motivation in this scene, Ms. Luce Morales?' |
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RyogAkari
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:07 pm |
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| is fetishistic a word? If so, it's a fucking awesome one |
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:08 pm |
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I'm pretty sure it is.
(Sup RyogAkari) |
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RyogAkari
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 5:48 pm |
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That's awesome then
(Sup Joe. They gave me internet at work. I don't know why.) |
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aderack
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 11:51 pm |
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| Pijaibros wrote: |
| Guys, outside Club Dork nobody cares about HD-DVD or Blu-Ray. |
This is the best summation I've seen. |
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DaleNixon
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:49 am |
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Aderack, who are you writing for these days?
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Felix
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:53 am |
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| hisself. |
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aderack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:25 am |
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I'm kind of pulling myself out of a several-month-long funk where it was hard to focus on anything. Maybe seasonal.
My most recent (paid) thing is over here. It's not really about Dragon Quest. There are a couple more to follow (one of which I'm writing right now). I'm guessing I'll be doing some more GamaSutra stuff for GDC. That should be a decent change. Get me out of the house, anyway!
Biggest problem is just getting my act together. It's frustrating; were I to take up everything requested of me, I could be pretty set. I guess I've got my pace, though -- and that pace is lethargic. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:57 pm |
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sup aderack, get a therapist
People who stay only dorks care about HD aren't on the money: the public is aware of it, and the market is pushing for it. I'd rather it didn't happen, but it is going to happen. My mother is aware of HD. |
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Toups
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:24 pm |
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| JamesE wrote: |
sup aderack, get a therapist
People who stay only dorks care about HD aren't on the money: the public is aware of it, and the market is pushing for it. I'd rather it didn't happen, but it is going to happen. My mother is aware of HD. |
This is more true in Japan. Maybe also in Europe, too? But I can personally vouch that in the good ol' US of A the idea of "HD" exists more as a concept than as something "real". To wit, you can still sell someone a 75" 1080p DLP and he'll run his regular cable through it via composite and still think it's awesome because the football players are life size. I have witnessed this first hand and I tried to explain to the guy how terrible the artifacting was and how poorly the image was being scaled and he was just like "yeah but the football player is life size it's awesome!"
At least based on my experiences with these sorts of people, it's hard to imagine either format catching on mainstream. I can maybe see HDTV sets catching on, but that's about it right now. Especially when progressive scan DVD players already look so nice.
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JamesE
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:52 pm |
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| yeah but toups you live in the south |
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Mr Mustache
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:00 pm |
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In general, people seem a lot more excited about having thin TVs than they are about HD.
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Intentionally Wrong
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:50 pm |
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You only see a massive format shift when the new format offers significant concrete improvements over the old methods--never having to rewind the tape is a significant improvement. Better image quality is not. Remember the progression of magnetic tape to CD to MP3 for proof of this.
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will be footnotes in the DVD chapter of the history books.
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aderack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:59 pm |
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| JamesE wrote: |
| sup aderack, get a therapist |
What use is a therapist when I have you in my life, James?
Anyway. I wrote this somewhere else recently, for events such as this. Mr. Wrong, Pijai, and Toups have basically covered it; still, here's another summation:
Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray are going to bomb, people. Not as badly as UMD, though that should give you an idea what we're dealing with. One or both will hobble on for a while as a high-end videophile format; there's a hole to fill, now that laserdisc's gone away. As a mass format, though, DVD's not budging. Not so long as most people don't even know if they're watching a TV show in the right aspect ratio, and not so long as there's nothing wrong with DVD.
People change their ways when they've damn good reason to, and not a moment before. Plain old DVD is going to stick around until it's too unwieldy to maintain any longer -- if for no other reason than that there's too much personal and architectural investment in the format to arbitrarily pick up and switch to something that's exactly the same except that guy you know who will scream at you for not hooking up your stereo correctly insists it's somehow better.
For there to be a successor to a format as established and perfect, for its part, as DVD that new format will have to offer something so significantly different and so obviously better in every aspect of convenience, simplicity, and quality, that there is no comparison between the two. You create something that's meant to be compared, and you've lost before you've begun -- however nice your product in its own right. Nobody cares! At least, nobody outside the geek ghetto -- and that's the whole issue, in a nutshell.
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Toups
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:02 pm |
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| JamesE wrote: |
| yeah but toups you live in the south |
touche
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aderack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:07 pm |
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| Mister Toups wrote: |
| toupe |
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Toups
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:11 pm |
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| Eric-Jon Rössel Waugh wrote: |
| Mister Toups wrote: |
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:19 pm |
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| That first head would be an excellent avatar. |
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aderack
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 9:33 pm |
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| Better: animate 'em. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:12 pm |
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| Eric-Jon Rössel Waugh wrote: |
| What use is a therapist when I have you in my life, James? |
Wouldn't offer any advice I'm not already pursuing to the fullest myself, dearest heart! I'm not sure what the insurance is like for someone who churns out pseudo-academic waffle on Dr fucking Who is like, but challenging one's conceits does wonders for the soul. You might even learn to write articulately!
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| inarticulate pseudo-intellectual waffle about the format war |
So many people are busy yiffing the trees (itt) that they can't see a very big wood -
1) The people with vested interests in a new format make the movies
2) The people with vested interests in a new format make the players
In five years you'll still be able to buy movies on DVD: those movies will basically consist of Shannon Tweed retrospectives and Halloween XXV: Michael Meyers Fucks a Scary Goat. The big shit, the shit people want to see will be held back, given exclusive debuts, whatever it takes. They hold the objects of desire and control the supply of those objects. People with real jobs will sigh and drop the cash on a player to see the movies - because the middle classes can afford to drop that much. It will happen in the next two years, provided the economy doesn't spiral into apocalypse.
This will happen because the people who locomote the market want it to happen, and if they will it to be so it will happen. DVD won't disappear over night - backwards compatibility blah blah blah - but it'll be for budget stuff like The Sexy Sixth Sense. HD looks nice.
People who view luxury markets as having to somehow necessary don't get it :( |
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aderack
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:45 am |
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| JamesE wrote: |
| You might even learn to write articulately! |
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| People who view luxury markets as having to somehow necessary don't get it :( |
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