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raveneyesnola
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:50 am Post subject: Linux PS3 |
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Anyone running linux on their ps3 yet? I'm considering it, but would like to get some info first, as I have heard things like there not being a videodriver for the gpu and such, but then at the same time have seen videos on youtube of SF3 and MvC being played in MAME, which would lead me to believe that those things are untrue.
So, opinons? Turn das ps3 into superemustationX? or leave it be for now
~b
ps:I should add that I know next to nothing about linux itself, and was just going to order the yellow dog install disc, as that seems like a reasonable place to start. |
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skelethulu
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: OAKLAND
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:09 am |
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I have linux on my PS3, but I couldn't get the network thing to work before my only USB keyboard stopped working, and if you don't have a USB keyboard you can't ever get back to the PS3 XMB thing so you can't play games.
Basically, I love that they let you install it, but it is kinda' worthless. Do you have a computer that can run the moderate Mame stuff? |
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raveneyesnola
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: NOLA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:11 am |
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not at the moment really. the main pc is a wow machine for my girlfriend. but I do know that the fix to your problem is the hold the power button down, it'll automaticly boot back to the xbm.
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DaleNixon
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: dirty dirty south
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:14 am |
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There is no accelerated video support for the ps3 running Linux. I'm sure the ps3 has enough power to run those games in MAME pretty smoothly in software mode.
I'll probably get this going once I actually get a ps3. I am not expecting this to be some sort of super experience considering the amount of memory in the ps3 and the lack of hardware video acceleration. :/
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raveneyesnola
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:19 am |
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the videos I saw on youtube looked pretty smooth. really all I wanna do is play D&D and shooters and the like. although after a little while it might be very nice..or just a gimmick.
either way..
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Craptastic!
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:41 am |
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SF3?
Are you sure you saw a video of SF3 playing on a PS3 via MAME? As far as I'm aware, CPS3 encryption hasn't been cracked yet. |
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:02 am |
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He probably means SFA3.
You can get an Xbox for pretty cheap now! Just saying! |
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raveneyesnola
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: NOLA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 4:55 am |
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yep it was sfa, pardon my snafoo.
I have/had a xbox modded, it died during the storm and I just never replaced it.
Anyone know if the controllers themselves are supported under linux yet? or if its worth it to actually buy yellow dog? or rather just download the installers and such(and lose email/access to msg boards and such)
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Jeff Garneau
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:04 pm |
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can you steal ydl?
because it seems like they want you to pay for it no matter what.
or is there some linux rule that everything has to be free?
i'm thinking about doing this as neither of my computers is actually very good at browsing the internet (256 mb of old ram). and mame would be fun if the controllers work. |
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:31 pm |
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| Jeff Garneau wrote: |
| i'm thinking about doing this as neither of my computers is actually very good at browsing the internet (256 mb of old ram). |
You know the PS3 lets you browse the internet without linux...
-Wes
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Jeff Garneau
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:34 pm |
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| yes but if i downloaded linux i could also do things too. |
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dongle
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: Berkeley, CA
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 11:49 pm |
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you can run many flavors of linux on the ps3. i'd probably go with ubuntu if you want to get up and running quickly. Fedora and Gentoo would be other good choices, though you'll like Gentoo less if you don't like command lines.
Arbee on SDLMAME on the ps3
http://rbelmont.mameworld.info/?p=176 |
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Takashi
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 12:36 am |
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Hey guys, I've got a PS3 but I'm worried that I'll have to format my hard drive to install linux on it. If I choose "format hard drive" on the PS3 menu will it wipe out all the stuff I have on it now?
-Wes
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raveneyesnola
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:57 am |
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yes you can pay for it, it's 30 bucks, comes with a nice pressed dvd, a big ass book, and access to a dev bbs to ask questions and such on.
typically I don't mind paying for access to devs to answer my sometimes stupid questions, besides these guys work for free for the most part.
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Ashura
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
Location: Far East of Eden
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:58 am |
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From what I've read, the PS3 will read the PS3 joypad under linux just like any other joypad.
Also, I've read they've made the 360 joypad and the Wiimote work on the PS3 as well. |
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skelethulu
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: OAKLAND
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:31 pm |
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| SuperWes wrote: |
Hey guys, I've got a PS3 but I'm worried that I'll have to format my hard drive to install linux on it. If I choose "format hard drive" on the PS3 menu will it wipe out all the stuff I have on it now?
-Wes |
Yep, you lose it all (except for stuff stored in the firmware, like your account settings). I just hooked up a 1GB USB pen drive and copied over all o fmy saves, and then re-downloaded anything that I'd gotten off of the store once I was back up and running. |
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taidan
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 3:35 pm |
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| skelethulu wrote: |
Basically, I love that they let you install it, but it is kinda' worthless. Do you have a computer that can run the moderate Mame stuff? |
I know a former friend that bought a PS3 just so he could install linux. |
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 4:06 pm |
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| skelethulu wrote: |
| Yep, you lose it all |
Count me out then! If I'm too lazy to back up my save files I'm sure as hell too lazy to install linux, command line every single minute thing I ever need to do, and compile my own apps.
| skelethulu wrote: |
| I know a former friend that bought a PS3 just so he could install linux. |
There's never been a better reason to end a friendship.
-Wes
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 6:29 pm |
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| Jeff Garneau wrote: |
| i'm thinking about doing this as neither of my computers is actually very good at browsing the internet (256 mb of old ram) |
Possible reasons:
1) Your OS sucks
2) You are infected with malware
3) Your browser leaks memory
Possible reason not related to RAM:
Rampant Flash advertisements/content are/is slowing your computer down.
256 MB of RAM is more than enough to surf the web well.
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| Hey guys, I've got a PS3 but I'm worried that I'll have to format my hard drive to install linux on it. If I choose "format hard drive" on the PS3 menu will it wipe out all the stuff I have on it now? |
Gee, what do you think formatting your hard drive means?
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| command line every single minute thing I ever need to do, and compile my own apps. |
...What? You seem to have a misinformed image about GNU/Linux.
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raveneyesnola
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:09 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| ...What? You seem to have a misinformed image about GNU/Linux. |
I know I do...hence the whole tryin this shiznat out.
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:30 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| SuperWes wrote: |
| Hey guys, I've got a PS3 but I'm worried that I'll have to format my hard drive to install linux on it. If I choose "format hard drive" on the PS3 menu will it wipe out all the stuff I have on it now? |
Gee, what do you think formatting your hard drive means? |
Well yeah, I know what it means but I was sort of hoping that it could create a partition from the free space without making me lose all of my data. I wouldn't have asked the question the way I did if I didn't know what it meant. And thanks for trying to make someone feel dumb for asking a question asshole.
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| SuperWes wrote: |
| command line every single minute thing I ever need to do, and compile my own apps. |
...What? You seem to have a misinformed image about GNU/Linux. |
That's my impression based on my experience. In what way is it misinformed?
-Wes
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 9:50 pm |
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| Well yeah, I know what it means but I was sort of hoping that it could create a partition from the free space without making me lose all of my data. |
Then it would be obvious that "Format Hard Drive" wouldn't do such a thing. Looked like a stupid question to me, especially since you seemed to know what it meant.
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| That's my impression based on my experience. In what way is it misinformed? |
re: command line
Desktop environments have been around for years. You can click things.
re:compile applications
Package managers have been around for years. With a GUI, even. It's easy and straight-forward to install applications thanks to them.
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| Whenever I read things like "id like to by a new car," I cringe inside, imagine some grunting ape who happened across a keyboard, and move on without thinking about the attempted message. |
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dongle
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 10:54 pm |
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| Wes was a CS major years ago so I'm betting that his linux experience was with an ancient install of slackware, redhat, or debian in the basement of a computer lab. And CS profs tend to enjoy stupid shit like making the default windowmanager WindowMaker. |
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Jeff Garneau
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:19 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| Jeff Garneau wrote: |
| i'm thinking about doing this as neither of my computers is actually very good at browsing the internet (256 mb of old ram) |
Possible reasons:
1) Your OS sucks
2) You are infected with malware
3) Your browser leaks memory
Possible reason not related to RAM:
Rampant Flash advertisements/content are/is slowing your computer down.
256 MB of RAM is more than enough to surf the web well. |
computers i have known and loved:
a 900 mhz hp laptop bought for $100 off of some dude last year. it was state of the art when it came out, now it's pretty silly that the system restore cds it came with have windows me.
a 1.4 ghz desktop i built myself years ago.
both had 256 mb ram. but it was slow ram. and i use firefox LOL. i guess you want me to use seamonkey or something. i don't have malware and i shut down the more obnoxious flash stuff. also i am only recently using windows me and was more recently (before crisis) packing xp and 2k.
i'm basically trying to justify buying a ps3 because i really want to play mgs4 and enhance my eween |
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:20 pm |
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| dongle wrote: |
| Wes was a CS major years ago so I'm betting that his linux experience was with an ancient install of slackware, redhat, or debian in the basement of a computer lab. And CS profs tend to enjoy stupid shit like making the default windowmanager WindowMaker. |
That's actually not far from the truth! I did a lot of my college projects in Unix, which wasn't that bad since I didn't have to do any of the setup and I was in the process of learning anyway. One summer I tried to install RedHat Linux on a home computer a few times without any help and totally fucked something up both times before reinstalling Windows. My biggest problems though, were with the PS2 Linux kit that I bought when that was released. I got it up-and-running right away, but because I was among the early adopters there weren't any real tutorials or pre-compiled apps, so I didn't really have anything I could do on it except code and surf the internet. Pretty lame!
So yeah, my assumptions about PS3 Linux might be wrong, but they certainly have a basis!
-Wes
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firenze
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 11:39 pm |
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| Count me out then! If I'm too lazy to back up my save files I'm sure as hell too lazy to install linux, command line every single minute thing I ever need to do, and compile my own apps. |
Just making sure you realize, there's a super nifty backup option on the PS3 that backs up everything to a USB hard drive. I'm not sure the exact setting names, not near a PS3 to check, but it's pretty easy (and also in the PS3 instruction manaul).
Maybe you don't have a USB hard drive (or throw an unused drive in a cheap USB enclosure). But if you do it's an awesome option. |
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:03 pm |
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| both had 256 mb ram. but it was slow ram. |
I doubt that is the problem, as even my 8 year old PC is adequate to surf the web with 160 MB of RAM.
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| and i use firefox LOL. i guess you want me to use seamonkey or something. |
As long as you're using IE, I don't care what you use. But Firefox is known for leaking memory after hours of use.
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| also i am only recently using windows me and was more recently (before crisis) packing xp and 2k. |
You're saying that since you started using WinME, that you got problems? WinME is unstable, though some don't have problems with it. You're better off with Win98 if you want something equivalent. Windows 2000 and XP are resource hogs.
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| Whenever I read things like "id like to by a new car," I cringe inside, imagine some grunting ape who happened across a keyboard, and move on without thinking about the attempted message. |
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les meat
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:00 pm |
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IE6 will be much faster than Firefox for browsing the net.
But more dangerous and the fonts will look even uglier than the ones in Firefox.
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gooktime
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:28 pm |
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| Linux has made a lot of strides in the last few years. I'm a mac zealot, but modern 'desktop' linux distributions are not all about compiling and command line, though you do have that flexibility. You might be pleasantly surprised at just how far it has come in a couple of years. |
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Takashi
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