[Family Computer]

[Swimmy]

I just prefer not to get close enough to conscious guards to get CQC going anyway. I'm very good at tranquing guards in the head--I use that crappy little handgun as a sniper rifle, though I'm nowhere near as quick as the person who does those speedruns--and the game's lenient enough with ammo and suppressors that I never have to give up this playstyle. When I play with stealth camo I mess around more, but that doesn't count.
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[Adilegian]

[zombieman000]

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[zombieman000]

this

[rye]

[boojiboy7]

[parkbench]

What happens with the water in RE4?
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[worm4life]

I did MGS1 and MGS2 on my computer in the span of a weekend to catch up for MGS3 and then never finished MGS3 and still can't get back into it. Should I?

[skelethulu]

I'm playing MGS3 on Very Easy right now so I can mess with people and it's a really good game if you mess with people.

[diplo]

[kerobaros]

Alright, finished MGS2 this morning after I got off work before sleep before my sister's wedding's rehearsal dinner. All told, I did this run in 6:47 and change. Kind of proud itt.

Favorite part of the game is right after the torture sequence mk.2, when you're running around naked and the Colonel goes batshit (yes, I know, not really, but) and then you get the sword and have two of the most fun fights in the game.

But then! Then. The game throws you into a fight with 25 Metal Gears, loses all its momentum, and promptly crashes into a brick wall. I love Shalashaska telling everyone What the Fuck is Up, but after that, I swear to God, I was falling asleep when the 'Colonel' was explaining what was really going on, so to speak, kind of. I mean, shit. Intense boss battle followed by 45 minutes of dialogue, followed by another boss battle? Really? Shit. This game falls right the hell apart at the end.

All else being equal, though, good fuck I want a PS2 so I can play through MGS3. Who wants to send me one?

[internisus]

Maybe I'm drunk, but I like the dialogue with GW explaining everything about information control and all. It's interesting.

[zombieman000]

So ah
I wonder if "the Patriots" are really just a room full of dusty old mainframes with rogue AIs in a backroom in the basement of the Pentagon that got jealous when all the technicians switched over to new models?

[dark steve]

Isn't the big revelation at the end of MGS3 that the patriots aren't anything?

[zombieman000]

I thought it was that the Patriots were a group of money-hungry businessman/politicians that wage war and manipulate governments for more money and more control maybe (like the Party in 1984)? And that around MGS2 they started using computers/Arsenal Gear AIs to do the job for them?

[Swimmy]

[diplo]

metal gear solid 2 only got actually "interesting" or "fun" for me at the end, when it fell apart, so to speak. i'm sure it was hell for anybody who was wondering when they'd be able to control snake again. and there they were, doing cartwheels past ninjas while cupping their genitals. it was great and weird to see a game flip the fuck out (and perhaps flip certain players off?).

the content prior to arsenal's guts has its points, but i found it mostly very monotonous and static. alternately, 3 shines in terms of flow, despite being less "linear," which is one of the reasons i love it.
maybe this is where you can argue whether a game can be boring to make a statement and still succeed; sons of liberty's idea, i think, relating to its narrative: that is, jack navigating an artificial and contrived world, repeating the past, questioning what is "real," etc.

and, yes, pretty sure the revelation is that the patriots are artificial successors to an actual group.

[dark steve]

Really? I thought the whole gene-scene-meme trump was to show "hey look they're a self propagating emergent entity now!"

[diplo]

actually, i could probably just sum up my sentiments towards mgs2 by saying that i'm attached to it conceptually, but not as a "game." mgs3, then, is a something i want to play for its craft, and more of a product i can respect kojima for, or present when speaking of him as a game designer.

also, this continues to make me wonder:

[internisus]

Uh, yeah. I'm still working on that.

[Swimmy]

[dark steve]

Consciousness evolved from memetics. Borges stuff.

edit: I mean, does it really sound like I'm taking crazy pills? I remember watching stuff in the MGS3 ending that made me feel like it was drumming this interpretation into me.

[zombieman000]

Damn, I sure missed the point. I forgot that the Colonel spouted some stuff during the Codec-fest about working for the good of society by cutting information down to the useful bits ("creating context (important data/memories to be passed on)from content(useless info)" or something?)

apologies.

[Bo 0]

I watched a couple of mgs4 trailers. Why does everyone in this game (Beauty & the Beast Unit, Raiden, Metal Gears, Vamp) look way, way more powerful and agile than good old Snake ?

[Lick Meth]

[zak]

[Krabjuice Gaiden]

[zombieman000]

I think Snake communicates with Otacon & co. with the Metal Gear mk-II in 4. It's also got those electrified tentacles to stun guards, and can take ammo from bodies and replenish Snake's stock, I think (my only evidence of that was from the first trailer).

[parker]

I remember how incensed I was at the idea of these AI's or Manifestations of the American Spirit or whatever-the-hell jackasses censoring my internet. Obviously this was back before all these you tubes, my spaces and face books and whatnot proved the Colonel right.
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[zombieman000]

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Shinkawa's designs always look the same dammit (not that I'm complaining)

[Adilegian]

Beat MGS1. Now onto MGS2.
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[Schwere Viper]

Damn it, guys, I was trying to play the DC copy of Grandia II I found, then GTA IV comes out and you guys go crazy with this thread.

I'm going to hook up my PS1 for MGS1, because I'll be damned if I'm going to let all that hard work go to nothing because the PS2 freezes the game at the credits.

EDIT: READY TO ROCK


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[shnozlak]

Completed
1 via twin snakes
2 : substance
3 I've beaten many times before

Bough the collection to finally play 2 and 1 in its original form.
MGS1 cant seem to see my PS2 mem cards... I guess PS1 games cant save to ps2 cards? This sucks. My PS1 and it's cards are 3 hours away... I could emulate I suppose. But I kinda dont want to deal with slapping Epsxe around untill it works right.

. . .

I get the impression that the Patriots are continuations of the persons who dies 100 years ago, the philosophers. They are either backed up via digital information (the digital age indeed!) or exist as a sort of self aware thing made up of many people and their actions (meme). The thing that gets me is that they need to keep themselves or their former selves a secret. Perhaps they aren't fully aware of themselves? I dunno, If feel like if they were memes they wouldn't need to communicate with Ryden at all but then if they didnt talk to him there would be no story to tell.

Or its an incomplete story that allows your imagination room to fill the gaps. You gotta keep in mind that not all the buildings on a movie set town have rooms in them.
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[shnozlak]

you lnow MGs2 and the sea of information, evolution of information, the creating of context by information selection. It all ties into, my life right now. Im studying IT, information technology. I want to help people harness information in uselful ways. And this all sort of gets at the philosophic heart of why Im doing it. It just kind of hit me.

I should probably sleep.
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[Lick Meth]

Playing through MGS3 here

I started this soon after obsessively playing the recent MGO Beta, and the controls in this are fucking clumsy in comparison. At first, I surprised by some of things that weren't in it (walking while ducking mainly), and got very distracted when trying to be discreet at times (particularly fighting The End, panicking with bad button presses and falling off ledges). I think that the controls are working now, but I'm still not too hot at avoiding danger.

For your added pleasure, lengthy list of controls and options in MGO, which may be the same in the main game of MGS4. Long list start:

- L2/R2: the usual scrolling through weapons if held, but the tapping options can be changed to either equip/unequip (original), Weapon 1/Weapon 2, or Primary/Secondary/Support.
- L1: now used to aim the weapon, including the knife. Aiming a weapon slows you right down.
- R1: now a general attack button, including melee. No more fiddly half-holding the Square nonsense, it's now just press or don't.
- Triangle: general action button, including climbing up ledge, jumping over small walls or onto slightly higher climbs and other, multiplayed specific actions (give a leg up to someone, pull the legger upper up/saluting/activating the SOP), crawling options, and most importantly now, the button used to put yourself against the wall, to the front instead of the back. Also, with the R2 button held, acts as a modifier for weapons. Plus! With L1, shifts the view to first person aiming, the only way you can look around in first person.
- Square: turn on/off auto-aiming. Nobody tends to use it in the multiplayer (apart from with the knife, where it's automatic), but I now understand that it's for the useful task of holding people up more effectively. If auto-aim is off, you'll strafe with the left stick; with it on, you'll walk around in the normal motion.
- Circle: reloading and tapping on walls. Also, cancelling (Western machines) options or confirming (Japanese machines).
- X: roll, crawl, drop from ledges. Also, opposite function from Circle for options.

For the first time, they've abandoned the traditional view, which I feel like I might stress without it, after going through MGS3 and relying on it (a lot), even though the Subsistence camera is there. Itself being in MGS4, but better.

Finally, I can't have been the only one to have gotten his first MGS experience playing through the game on the PC. That torture scene is much harder mashing in the Space bar.

[GcDiaz]

[Schwere Viper]

I got up to the ninja fight and called it a night because, oh wow, it's 2AM.

Maybe it's because it's on Hard, but the bosses are a hell of a lot more difficult than I remember. I haven't died or gotten spotted yet, though!

On plot discussion, though, one thing did make me prick my ears up this time around:

[special blend]

Boss is a Patriot AI, lol
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