[kerobaros]

Got home from work this morning, downloaded a save for MGS2 with all the dog-tags, and started a run through the game.

Got to right after Ocelot shoots the President (aka scene-for-scene copy of MGS #642) (yes I know that's the Goddamn point this game is fucked up) at about, uh 11:30am, that sound right?

Going to spend the evening playing through Arsenal Gear and everything.

oh and btw totally playing on European Extreme itt, who's with me my brothers

[Krabjuice Gaiden]

I will play European extreme with you

But I do not have nearly all the dogtags.

I only have 9 ;_;
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[WarpZone]

[Bo 0]

[Swimmy]

I have no idea which Kerotan it was that I missed, but I apparently got him this time around, and I ignored most of them. I was going for the 0 alerts/0 kills method in its favor. That's a pretty fun way to play the game, though saving every screen is tedious. I also went ahead and collected every animal to get the EZ Gun, just because I've never tried it before. I don't know why. Just never had an interest in playing on Very Easy or playing collectathon in this game.

I've had this game for years and it still amazes me how much I don't know about it. I had never heard the cardboard box conversation with Sigint until this run. I didn't know you could use the Konami Code to find The End's location on the map. I didn't know about the cutscene with Johnny, which appears to be the only way to break out of the cell without triggering an alert. For such a small game, MGS3 is fucking vast.

Edit: Also didn't know you could diffuse Volgin's attacks with glowcaps. There's just so much here!
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[internisus]

[winkerwatson]

I thought the same about 2. The constant spawning of guards really discourages experimentation.
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[Adilegian]

So now I have begun playing back through, starting with MGS1.

I'm playing on Hard difficulty, without the radar. And HOLY CHRIST. (It's tough.)

EDIT: MGS1 might be the only game in the series where using the analog stick for control hurts more than it helps. Snake tends to slip off walls when I press against them.
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[Koji]

I started playing MGS1. First I beat Ocelot, saved and called it a night. The next day I discovered that the used PSX memory card I had bought was busted, so I lost that bit. I went and bought a new one, this time a clone which did work, and I just beat Psycho Mantis, which was a hilarious battle. So alright, this is a pretty cool game! I'm finally seeing what I've been missing out on.
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The Ants Parade.

[Bo 0]

Since I don't own a Gamecube, I was wondering if there were changes between the original script of MGS1 and the Twin Snakes remake?

[internisus]

yeah--the twin snakes is ugly

[Swimmy]

[internisus]

[Bo 0]

My biggest concern was about the script. Since there's no obvious change, I guess I'll watch a speed run just to check the boost in graphics.

[parker]

I don't think they used any different voice actors, except for Gray Fox. In the original Gray Fox and the DARPA Chief are the same voice actor, in Twin Snakes, he just does the DARPA Chief, some other dude is Gray Fox.
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[diplo]

[Mr Mustache]

What's wrong with the camo system?
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[diplo]

mostly it's boring and doesn't make sense.

at least the cure system is kind of funny.

[Cossix]

I don't see how it doesn't make sense. I thought the camo stuff in MGS3 was actually pretty neat and rather well done.

[sam]

[Rud31]

[Koji]

[internisus]

[diplo]

oh, i agree that it's fun going as rambo or the opposite, but pausing the action, navigating a menu to select a suit, exiting, and watching my camo percentage increase by ten percent every couple minutes so a guard doesn't see me never struck me as too much fun. i find mgs3 still very playable and fun in the "sneaking" fashion if i stick to a basic leafy pattern throughout its entirety, especially considering how entertaining things remain even when i'm screwing up.
and does anyone actually use the camo in the buildings? it seems so pointless, especially in groznyj grad.

[internisus]

I always switch to splitter indoors, yes. It does seem pointless, though.

I fully agree about the menus. I hate that the camo, cure, and food systems are implemented that way. It really gets me down.

[Mr Mustache]

The disjointedness of the menus is one of the game's greatest assets.
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The people are like wool to me

[internisus]

How do you figure?

[winkerwatson]

The camo system was good if held back by the system. So room for improvement.

And hey MGS4
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[Adilegian]

I'm very curious why they built a nuclear disposal facility in Alaska with a torture chamber thrown in on top. Maybe Shadow Moses Island was supposed to double as a kind of Guantanamo Bay?
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[internisus]

duh read last days of foxhound okay ocelot brought in the torture room equipment, i remember he was all giddy

[showka]

[rye]

I remember him doing a podcast on some MGS site where he bitched about how kojima kicked him out for not going with a literal translation of his stuff.

i've never been able to stomach the acting in the other metal gears because the first one was so damn much better. Voice direction in every title since is just so plastic and lifeless. "Kept you waiting, huh." etc. Human beings don't talk like this.

[internisus]

That's fucking dumb if accurate, especially because literal translations from Japanese to English are nonsense.

[Krabjuice Gaiden]

So, you know how at the beginning of Big Shell Raiden complains about not being able to equip anyone's weapon due to some nifty weapon-user ID system.

So wait, what about stealing weapons in MGS4?
--

Also Snake Pliskin and Raiden just swapped weapons.
And how did he get that weapon, anyways.

Colonel, are you lying to me?
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[internisus]

I have a prediction that Drebin Points are going to be the stupid part of MGS4. Weapon customization and everything sounds really cool, but it'll be as obnoxious in execution as the menu systems of MGS3.

I hope I'm wrong, though.

[Toptube]

[internisus]

[Swimmy]

So I just watched the fastest run of MGS3 on speeddemosarchive.

I had no idea body tranquilizer + roll attack = instant knockout. I had no idea bosses were susceptible to the fake death trick and could be lured into traps. I had no idea you could damage the Shagohod during the chase sequence. Is this the most secretive game ever?

If every developer were as open to the value of player experimentation as Kojima, videogames would be an entirely different matter altogether. That's why people are so fiendishly devoted to the series.
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[internisus]

Not I. I don't know what kind of crazy people figure out that stuff like that is possible. I'd never try a fake death pill during a boss fight or plant C4 on a guard's back. That aspect of MG games is admirable and amusing to me, but it's also very alien. Even after hearing most of the bizarre ideas that do actually have results coded in, I'll never try them. I'm kind of tense when I play MGS games. It's partially the control scheme.

[Swimmy]

I play them rigidly too. I still can't CQC properly in MGS3, and I pretty much refuse to learn. I still admire the adaptation to serious experimentation and wildly varying playstyles more than anything else in the series.
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[internisus]

Oh, wow. You should learn. CQC is the only aspect of the controls I really feel comfortable with--whether you're quickly throwing guys to the floor or slitting their throats, it really feels satisfying, fluid, and versatile. I can't wait to see how the variety of MGS4's CQC works. I'm sure I'll choose favorite weapons based on their associated CQC moves.