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negativedge
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:01 am        Reply with quote

1up with a hard hitting review: "it straddles the line between solitary and lonely"

LONELY GAME

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 1:12 am        Reply with quote

For me, the timing seems to be JUST BEFORE you hit the ground.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:14 am        Reply with quote

i could not get the motion sensing control to work once, but i never had a problem with pressing L2 just before point of impact.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 2:49 am        Reply with quote

sam wrote:
i could not get the motion sensing control to work once, but i never had a problem with pressing L2 just before point of impact.


I only use the Sixaxis method. You do kind of really have to slam it forward though. I think I already said that I actually wish this game's Sixaxis controls were a little more sensitive. The pipe walking balance requires exagerrated tilts, too. Interesting because the first Sixaxis implementations in games were said to be too sensitive!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 7:37 pm        Reply with quote

Anyone else get this game?

It's like tech demo, the game. So far it's not AAA amazing awesome, but it's good. The combat and story are just means to an end. The gameplay is phenomenal, and, when the combat doesn't get in your way, it's pretty rad.

I really like how it changes the way you think about game design. It's all about flow, and when you don't flow, you are punished. The badguys are totally different than any other game. I've never been one-shotted, so I just use my health as a buffer before I get a game over. Sort of like a countdown.

I'm more excited about Time Trials at the end of the game than finishing the story.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:24 pm        Reply with quote

another god wrote:
It's like tech demo, the game.

This might be enough to talk me out of it. I'm trying to decide between this, Banjo, Valkyria, and potentially the new Tomb Raider and I don't know which to go with!

-Wes
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:42 pm        Reply with quote

No offense, but that kind of attitude blows. If all you're interested in is triple A blockbuster games, then go to IGN and read what they have to say. This game does something very interesting with movement, and it does it very well. That's something that *every* game can benefit from.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:01 pm        Reply with quote

i guess you didn't mean it negatively, but "tech demo" is probably one of the worst insults you could use for a game. it denotes a lack of solid gameplay, something you then went on to contradict. i think that's the cause of the dissonance here.

re sm64: exactly. like the camera and analog control in that game became the benchmark for all third-person 3d games, i hope this leads to a sense of weight and body being considered an fps necessity.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:07 pm        Reply with quote

Wuh? I've got a Wii. I've got enough copies of Tech Demo:The Game (rimshot!)

Anyway, maybe I'm misreading you here, but it doesn't require AAA Blockbuster quality to have substance beyond that of a tech demo. I'm certainly interested in the game, but there's just too much amazing competition right now that I'm starting to second guess what might have been an instant buy. I don't have unlimited money or time to spend on games and I need to pick and choose what I have to play now vs what I can wait until Christmas/price drop/forget about later.

I don't think it's unreasonable to want to spend your time and money on the best games.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:14 pm        Reply with quote

Hey so I have 2 copies of this game (1 360, 1 PS3, both USA). I don't need both! If somebody wants one for $20 + shipping I will send it your way.

EDIT: SOLD FRIENDS


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:18 pm        Reply with quote

skelethulu wrote:
Hey so I have 2 copies of this game (1 360, 1 PS3, both USA). I don't need both! If somebody wants one for $20 + shipping I will send it your way.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:34 pm        Reply with quote

Whatever, I guess you can play all those brand new awesome gamers games. I mean, Gears of War 2 and Resistance look really interesting compared to a brand new IP that happens to do something new really well.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:24 pm        Reply with quote

SuperWes wrote:
another god wrote:
It's like tech demo, the game.

This might be enough to talk me out of it. I'm trying to decide between this, Banjo, Valkyria, and potentially the new Tomb Raider and I don't know which to go with!

-Wes


You have already lost if you don't choose Valkyria first. Seriously.

Mirror's Edge is deeply flawed by virtue of its design completely contradicting the idea of "freedom" in moving around. Trial and error to the extreme and rigidly linear. About the only thing that's interesting is that it's a 3D platformer using first person perspective. Wait and buy it for $20 used in January after people buying into the initial wave of hype get sick of it.

As for originality:

Banjo is FAR more of an interesting new idea, it's sort of cartoony racing platformy, but with a heaping helping of Armored Core obsessive tweaking. It actually feels fresh.

Valkyria is a roundhouse kick to the head of SRPGs. Blending free moving third person action bits with the map view strategy feels like a complete epiphany. It's gotta be up there for best game of the year.

Tomb Raider is admittedly not very original, but I will say that the previous new gen game was really well done. Environmental puzzles were better than the new Zelda, controls were good. I'm interested in trying the follow-up.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:41 pm        Reply with quote

firenze wrote:
You have already lost if you don't choose Valkyria first. Seriously.


This should really be considered Gospel. Other than Gears and maybe Resistance I can't think of another game this month that's 100% worth the entry fee (unless you like to play WoW, I guess). However! This game IS worth playing. But if you're on a time / money budget (as most of us are!) this game doesn't compare dollarwise to Valkyria Chronicles.

I'm starting to come around to the assessment that this is like the Assassin's Creed of 2008 (although I think this is a much better game). Some people will really get their $60 worth here, but most people will probably want to wait until it's ~$40.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:58 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, I don't doubt that this game is going to be bargain bin kind of stuff soon, but I bet that more games will borrow from Mirror's Edge than GoW2, Resistance, and Valkyria combined.

If all you want is happy fun times for your dollars, then, sure, stay away. But for the few of you left on SB that are interested in something, well, interesting, pick this game up. You know how Portal made you look at space and environment in a vastly different way? That's this game, except hands and feet are a little more real than a portal gun.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:37 pm        Reply with quote

firenze wrote:

Banjo is FAR more of an interesting new idea, it's sort of cartoony racing platformy, but with a heaping helping of Armored Core obsessive tweaking. It actually feels fresh.


They called this Ratchet and Clank about seven years ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:54 pm        Reply with quote

negativedge wrote:
firenze wrote:

Banjo is FAR more of an interesting new idea, it's sort of cartoony racing platformy, but with a heaping helping of Armored Core obsessive tweaking. It actually feels fresh.


They called this Ratchet and Clank about seven years ago.


Go download the Banjo XBLA demo. It's nothing like Ratchet and Clank.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 11:55 pm        Reply with quote

Cartoony Racy Platformy Armored Core is not fresh. Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:02 am        Reply with quote

another god wrote:
Cartoony Racy Platformy Armored Core is not fresh. Thanks guys.


It's at least as fresh as super-linear FPS where you jump instead of shoot.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:16 am        Reply with quote

another god wrote:
Yeah, I don't doubt that this game is going to be bargain bin kind of stuff soon, but I bet that more games will borrow from Mirror's Edge than GoW2, Resistance, and Valkyria combined.

If all you want is happy fun times for your dollars, then, sure, stay away. But for the few of you left on SB that are interested in something, well, interesting, pick this game up. You know how Portal made you look at space and environment in a vastly different way? That's this game, except hands and feet are a little more real than a portal gun.


i don't know, man. mirror's edge makes me think 'hey, cool, a first-person platformer thing', but gears 2 makes me think an awful lot more - about what's going on with the level design, pacing, balance etc, because it's kindof objectively brilliant. i have absolutely zero doubt in my mind that, worthy as mirror's edge is, gears 2 is The Better Game, and there's a reason for that! well, many reasons, and they're a lot more subtle than the reasons mirror's edge is cool - which it is, yeah, though it's pretty much all there on the surface.

i mean, we've all met people that are like "duuude check out the mars volta yeah that's some crazy shit they'll blow your mind" but can't see why, i dunno, the beach boys are better. not saying that's you, but i don't think you're giving us much credit here.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:33 am        Reply with quote

Did you just compare Gears of War 2 to the Beach Boys?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:41 am        Reply with quote

if you don't see the parallels between the mid-point of act 4 and 'caroline, no' then frankly there's no hope.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:42 am        Reply with quote

The Beach Boys is a man's band.

Mars Volta is for girlpants tone-deaf faggots.

It's an apt comparison, almost.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:47 am        Reply with quote

mars volta could probably learn a thing or two from mirror's edge about taste and brevity
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:04 am        Reply with quote

So I guess I think of this game as this year's Portal, except Portal was $20 and didn't have cutscenes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:06 am        Reply with quote

yes it did
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:37 am        Reply with quote

also i am buying this game. fuck queers of bore amirite

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 1:39 am        Reply with quote

glossolalia wrote:
mars volta could probably learn a thing or two from mirror's edge about taste and brevity


they clearly both read from the same textbook when it comes to pretentious narrative and 'experimentation', though

i'm kindof surprised at how robust this analogy has turned out, considering i didn't think about it.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 2:05 am        Reply with quote

I'm going to do parkour in expensive Nikes and fuck lots of girls with glasses to spite you guys.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:27 am        Reply with quote

wow what the fuck happened to this thread

how is portal "pretentious" again? i didn't realize that telling a story by showing instead of telling constituted pretension. why do so many people insist on games remaining in the gutter of style that most of them are content to lie?
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:20 am        Reply with quote

So I decided to get this. Not because it's the best game out of my choices, but because between the games I mentioned this one is the only one I can even imagine my wife being even the faint bit interested in watching me play. She couldn't stand the Banjo demo and she doesn't like turn based shit so Valkyria was out. I'll get them both for Christmas.

Having played the first two chapters I'm happy with my choice, but choosing this over Gears or Resistance is a crime against humanity. Those games both deserve to be played.

My first impressions are that Mirror's Edge is superb when everything works, but when you're stuck it's either because you're lost or because the controls aren't working the way you expect them too. Speaking from a pure game design perspective, these are both terrible areas to base the core challenge of a game on. Unfortunately it seems like this may have been all they had to work with. It's a huge compliment that the game is still worth playing despite this.

-Wes
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:28 am        Reply with quote

SuperWes wrote:
choosing this over Gears or Resistance is a crime against humanity. Those games both deserve to be played.


It is quotes like this that people make fun of you for, wes.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:49 am        Reply with quote

This videogame is so good.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 4:51 am        Reply with quote

Well I don't have a 360 so I guess I know what I'm getting!

Limiting myself to one next-gen system was the best idea I ever had.

I'm STILL behind without this month's releases, but hey.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:14 am        Reply with quote

Cycle wrote:
also i am buying this game. fuck queers of bore amirite


u r rite!
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 5:35 am        Reply with quote

The Time Trials mode in this game is so fantastically classy, it makes me feel bad about the average single player mode.

Edit: If you don't try out TT (like really try making awesome scores in TT), you'll never develop a full understanding of what went into making the game. The subtleties of weight and physics really deepen the experience. The ME guys really need to hang out with the .skate guys and see what they can put together.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:12 am        Reply with quote

Guys this is really neat.
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analogosagnos wrote:
Guys this is really neat.


That is about the most satisfying 2d platforming I have ever had the pleasure of manipulating.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 6:15 pm        Reply with quote

Mikey wrote:
Playing this game with some pumping techno in the background seems like a pretty good idea.

Ratatat is a good match for this game, I think.

Been going back and forth between most-minimal ubercoolische Richie Hawtin-esque techno and West Coast deep house circa early Y2k, myself.
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analogosagnos wrote:
Guys this is really neat.


Holy fuck this is the best Sonic game in ffiteen years.
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