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BenoitRen
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:15 pm        Reply with quote

*sigh* You people seem to like labelling people as douchebags as soon as they twitch even one nerve of yours.
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These words scream to many of us, "Look at me! I hate Microsoft software because it's not 'open!' Rather than take simple steps to convert or open the document on my own and perhaps provide the converted file for others who may share my disdain for the format, I shall ask for someone else to do it for me while taking a stab at The Borg by using a dollar sign instead of an S! Boy, that'll show Bill Gates!"

In other words, you're calling me a douchebag because of your own interpretation of what I said? Now that's being a douchebag.

I asked the author of the survey to convert it because:
-If I would convert it myself it would discredit my own "it's not open" point
-It would be a third-party version instead of a first-party one

It also sounds like you think the Microsoft hate is unjustified and that a closed format is no big deal. It's not.
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Baron Patsy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:30 pm        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
*sigh* You people seem to like labelling people as douchebags as soon as they twitch even one nerve of yours.
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These words scream to many of us, "Look at me! I hate Microsoft software because it's not 'open!' Rather than take simple steps to convert or open the document on my own and perhaps provide the converted file for others who may share my disdain for the format, I shall ask for someone else to do it for me while taking a stab at The Borg by using a dollar sign instead of an S! Boy, that'll show Bill Gates!"

In other words, you're calling me a douchebag because of your own interpretation of what I said? Now that's being a douchebag.

I asked the author of the survey to convert it because:
-If I would convert it myself it would discredit my own "it's not open" point
-It would be a third-party version instead of a first-party one

It also sounds like you think the Microsoft hate is unjustified and that a closed format is no big deal. It's not.


Actually, yeah, it is.
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Corinth
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:30 pm    Post subject: really i apologize for doing this guys especially dhex    Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
*sigh* You people seem to like labelling people as douchebags as soon as they twitch even one nerve of yours.


Or when they act like douchebags, give us some credit.

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In other words, you're calling me a douchebag because of your own interpretation of what I said?


If you can cite me a credible source who has elaborated on his interpretation of your writings, I will consider enfolding his opinion into my own, but until then who else's interpretation should I use?

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I asked the author of the survey to convert it because:
-If I would convert it myself it would discredit my own "it's not open" point


We know! We know. That's why it's snobby, silly and obtuse.

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-It would be a third-party version instead of a first-party one


Why not say that creating your own version would be a first-party production? It would be you doing the save-as instead of someone else!

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It also sounds like you think the Microsoft hate is unjustified and that a closed format is no big deal. It's not.


I have a pretty good handle on our compupolitical leanings around here - again - we are fully aware of everything you are and probably more. We are perhaps simply a bit further along in our journey - some of us have most likely been bashing OOXML for at least three months now, which takes more skill since it's pretty open.

Whining about .doc is nowhere near the front line of your crusade - convert it using bastions of FOSS ideals, pick yourself up, and march forward towards the real conflict, if that's your perogative.

Basically, pick your battles. The .doc battle is an incredibly douchebaggy battle to pick! (In the grand scheme of things it's a legacy format that we have almost complete mastery over!)

It's not even a case of you preaching to the choir; it's a case of you preaching to the choir who saw you poking the nun in the confessional last week and doesn't even care!

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BenoitRen wrote:
By the way, unlike what you people seem to assume, I don't use GNU/Linux.


If you use Windows (or AmigaOS4) I'll laugh at you but please don't take this opportunity to extol the virtues of Solaris or the GameBoy OS or anything.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:46 am        Reply with quote

Reading BenoitRen's posts makes me wish I hadn't read them.

Response emailed!
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RecessRapist
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:07 am        Reply with quote

I'd answer the survey but I don't count D:

Also I ave a question, when did the IC start? I mean the first one.
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Rud31
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:50 am        Reply with quote

RecessRapist wrote:
I'd answer the survey but I don't count D:

Also I ave a question, when did the IC start? I mean the first one.


The site started in 2002 right?

The amount of forum incarnations has been confusing me lately, because people are talking as if they were 3. Where I was led to believe there were 4. I joined on the 3rd version, which started in October 2003. The 4th and final version was started on July-August 2005.
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BenoitRen
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 10:44 pm        Reply with quote

thatbox wrote:
I have a pretty good handle on our compupolitical leanings around here - again - we are fully aware of everything you are and probably more.

Even Baron Patsy?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 3:12 am        Reply with quote

this is gonna be really good stuff for the study eh dhex?
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Intentionally Wrong



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:34 am        Reply with quote

Intentionally Wrong wrote:
Rud13 wrote:
Intentionally Wrong wrote:
Guys, can somebody answer my question?

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Say, exactly when did the old forums close? I'd like to know how much time elapsed between my last post on the old forums and my first post on the new ones.


You mean the hacking on like..June 16th 2005? I have a picture somewhere that should have the exact date. The new forums opened up in like August?


What? No. I mean... the date of the forum closure. The IC Forum archive has posts from November 24 of 2006, if not later; it's hard to tell whether I've found the last post or not. I just hoped somebody knew the exact date.


Does anybody have any idea about the answer to my question?
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Corinth
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:51 pm        Reply with quote

You can go look in the relevant TGQ threads or wait until this evening when I can look it up on my laptop.
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Rud31
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:19 pm        Reply with quote

Intentionally Wrong wrote:
Intentionally Wrong wrote:
Rud13 wrote:
Intentionally Wrong wrote:
Guys, can somebody answer my question?

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Say, exactly when did the old forums close? I'd like to know how much time elapsed between my last post on the old forums and my first post on the new ones.


You mean the hacking on like..June 16th 2005? I have a picture somewhere that should have the exact date. The new forums opened up in like August?


What? No. I mean... the date of the forum closure. The IC Forum archive has posts from November 24 of 2006, if not later; it's hard to tell whether I've found the last post or not. I just hoped somebody knew the exact date.


Does anybody have any idea about the answer to my question?


Jezz man. I looked up on my gchat logs, it says Nov. 26th.
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Baron Patsy
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:50 am        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
thatbox wrote:
I have a pretty good handle on our compupolitical leanings around here - again - we are fully aware of everything you are and probably more.

Even Baron Patsy?


Yes, even Baron Patsy! However, I don't really like resorting to internet dick-waving or being snotty about petty little things. Sorry if I am not as blatant as you apparently would like me to be about my 1nt3rn3tz cr3d.

I'm done here, by the way. You may continue with whatever you call what you were doing.
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Intentionally Wrong



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 27, 2007 6:43 am        Reply with quote

Thanks rud13 and thatbox! I can finish now!
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dhex



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 29, 2007 4:36 pm        Reply with quote

thanks to everyone who has replied so far. if you know of anyone who could contribute - and wouldn't mind - but hasn't seen the postings, please pass it along. more data is better.
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psiga
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 30, 2007 10:27 am        Reply with quote

Mh... DeusJester has been away from the internets a bit lately, so I went and reminded him. Though he was drunk at the time, so perhaps I will remind him again later.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:39 pm        Reply with quote

thanks, psiga.

i'm going to be contacting people with followups shortly (hopefully by this weekend, depending on work/job search concerns) but i am also going to be contacting a random sampling of some folks to request a "real time" gmail chat (or aim or whatever) interview.

thanks again to everyone who has responded. i appreciate the effort. and there's still time for anyone else who wants to submit, i'm not going to close off extra entries for a few more weeks, minimum.
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SplashBeats
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 11:07 pm        Reply with quote

I'm going to try to get mine finished soon. Maybe tonight!
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ajutla



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:58 am        Reply with quote

guys the douchiest thing about this dude is that he was all "GNU/Linux" instead of like "linux" which would have sufficed but wouldn't have been douchey enough
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psiga
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:00 am        Reply with quote

Well aren't you a Jutla come lately.
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ajutla



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:43 pm        Reply with quote

your avatar transfixes me
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psiga
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 9:48 pm        Reply with quote

Thank you. It was made in Windows XP™.
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slipstream
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:54 am        Reply with quote

I just saw this. I am going to fill it out tomorrow if it's not too late. I was a bit player, at best, but hey, every little bit counts, right?

is it too late to call benroiten a douche, i wanna get in on this stoning
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dhex



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:24 pm        Reply with quote

hey all, just about done processing everything; i'd like to do some more gmail chat (gchat?) interviews with people, so if anyone's interested (nights and weekends are pretty much it as far as availability, so 7PM EST onward figure) drop me a line at moconnor23 AT gmail DoT com and we can set something up.

and if anyone has any surveys not yet done, it's not too late to hand things in; i've only just started writing my outlines and methodology bits.

and thanks again for all of the responses. this has been very insightful and interesting.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:29 pm        Reply with quote

We get to see it when it's done, right?
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dhex



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:27 pm        Reply with quote

it will be publicly available when it's put to bed, and i'll make sure to send out notice to everyone who participated.
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psiga
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:34 am        Reply with quote

Can't imagine that you'd need me for a gtalk interview; I was "comprehensive" enough as is.

Oh, I finally started playing World of Warcraft with Matt: He built me a mechanical squirrel to have as a pet.

Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydLiasdJeoo Twirl-a-Squirrel!
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dhex



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:34 pm        Reply with quote

hey toups or whomever, you can de-sticky this. i'm stuffed to the brim with data. anyone who wants to pile on can still contact/pm/smoke signal me.
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shnozlak



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 8:55 am        Reply with quote

BenoitRen wrote:
says a lot of bullshit

http://wvware.sourceforge.net/
Here you go mr hot-shot GNU expert.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:22 pm        Reply with quote

Well, it's finally done and in. I want to thank everyone who participated once again. The link to the final paper is below - feel free to share it with anyone who might be interested (or suffer from insomnia).

http://conchobar.org/IC/oconnor-IC_ethnography.pdf
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Quick Shot II Turbo



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 2:47 pm        Reply with quote

Not to be overly anal about details, but wasn't it 7chan, rather than 4chan, that provoked the invasion? It's probably not going to matter to those who will evaluate the paper, but, you know...

Edit: In the part where you mention the subforums, you say there are six but only name five, disregarding the axe. The last sentence in that paragraph is messed up, too.

Edit-2: Page 10, last paragraph: the sentence in parentheses about Internet memes is missing an "are".

Edit-3: A good read. Everything was clearly argumented without any ambiguity and it served its purpose well. I found the "Implications for Business and Industry" part particularly interesting.
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boojiboy7
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:26 pm        Reply with quote

Sorry I didn't send in my survey to this, dhex, as school kinda kicked my ass for the past couple of months. However, this is quite interesting, and I think a pretty good examination of the end of IC. I'm hopeful that more people around here will read this, and keep in mind some of the bad shit that went down at IC near the end.

Interesting to now, aside to all this, but mentioned in some other threads, is that I for one read the IC frontpage a lot more often now. OF course, this probably has a lot to do with the constant strema of updates on it now, but is probably also tied to not being in the forums there as well.
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dhex



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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 3:48 pm        Reply with quote

quck shot - good catch. thanks. i dumped it off into my "scratch" doc for editing (because my wife is evil and made me change the word order) and didn't put it back in. and no one caught that.

there's probably a few dozen other mistakes in there that i just lost in the past week or so.

note: the updated pdf is 10x the size of the original. word file to pdf on a mac is super fucked up. it's still less than 1mb though.
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Toups
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 4:52 pm        Reply with quote

Quick Shot II Turbo wrote:
Not to be overly anal about details, but wasn't it 7chan, rather than 4chan, that provoked the invasion? It's probably not going to matter to those who will evaluate the paper, but, you know...


There were identical posts on both sites. I'm assuming whoever provoked the attack went on both at the same time...
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Corinth
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 7:45 pm        Reply with quote

-Second paragraph, first sentence, you have "to note" twice. If I catch anything else while I'm reading it I'll let you know. You've probably already fixed it, though!

-This particularly struck me in THEMES AND ANALYSIS, but you're using "they" instead of "he" sometimes for the third person singular, which is admirably PC of you but unnecessary since you already identified all of your respondants as male. May as well be technically correct if you aren't backed into a corner.


-Last sentence before CONCLUSION: "savage?"

Well written and well presented, dhex. Thanks for sharing with us.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2007 9:05 pm        Reply with quote

I enjoyed that. There were some perspectives in there that I hadn't considered before. An excellent read. I'm also really excited to have been quoted. Vanity, etc.
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 12:01 pm        Reply with quote

Good stuff.
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BenoitRen
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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2007 11:10 pm        Reply with quote

Beginning of page 13: "approach to writing about games as the a unique and attractive quality".

It's a good read. I've read most of it, will read the rest tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sat May 26, 2007 6:39 pm        Reply with quote

Beginning of page 22: "This permeates the existence of the board and how far in can develop socially".

Read the last couple of pages later than I thought. Good read. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:27 pm        Reply with quote

dhex wrote:
it will be publicly available when it's put to bed, and i'll make sure to send out notice to everyone who participated.

Well I didn't recieve such notice!

No matter, though. Now that it's done. I have been away from the forums for a long time.
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