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Dracko
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: What is the most fucked up game you've ever played?    Reply with quote

SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW

I'm playing Drakengard at the moment on a friend's recommendation. As expected from a Square-Enix title, the gameplay is horrendous. It's a Dynasty Warriors-style grindfest in barren settings, mashing buttons until hundreds upon hundreds of faceless foot soldiers perish and your weapons level up (ugh).

But Jesus, Lord, the story... I'm amazed this was made at all, let alone released.

Those faceless enemies and barren battlegrounds, well, they play right into the low fantasy, senseless tone of the universe crafted. I swear, this is perhaps the most despairingly nihilistic told in a game.

And it starts off with the characters. You play Caim, an incestuous, blood-thirsty swordsman, mute as a price for a pact with a dragon in order to save his own life. Oh, and he hates dragons for killing his family. And the dragon in question seems to enjoy throwing out misanthropic and nihilistic pieces of wisdom ("The wise man chooses death over war. The wiser man chooses never to be born at all.") His sister, who he protects from the evil forces of the Empire, is a goddess that holds one of the seals defending the land from chaos. His merry group of allies consists of a blind paedophile, a barren, child-murdering lunatic elf and a boy who is unable to age. Your inevitable rival is your sister's betrothed, who gets sucked into the Empire's forces after having is perceived inability to protect her exploited. He also has slight necrophiliac undertones.

It turns out that the Empire footsoldiers, that you've been slaughtering in the thousands in (tedious, half-hour long) battles are all possessed by a crazy 6-year old witch, who seeks to cleanse the world of humanity itself for the sake of its creators. More on them later. Not that this does anything for Caim, because HE LOVES TO KILL THINGS. I mean, this is a game where any creatures other than humans are referred to as "sub-human" and includes a mission where you kill off hundreds upon hundreds of child soldiers while your paedophile follower cries for you to spare them. Once you've dealt with the Empire, that's when the game just descends into total chaos: Once you get the first, canon ending, you have the possibility to continue the story into four different directions. These include the gods finally revealing themselves, dubbed Grotesqueries. Why the name? Because they're giant, blind, floating babies that eat things.

The final one, which you can only get once you've found and maxed out all 65 weapons in the game, and defeated the final boss, the Mother of the Grotesqueries, in a 64 key game of Simon says where one single mistake results in instant death. You follow her through a dimensional portal to finish her off, into the world of the creators. The moment you do so, well... You land yourself in modern day Tokyo. Then you and your dragon both get gunned down by fighter jets. Other endings include the world getting so FUBAR on account of the Grotesqueries that your only option is to freeze time, or your rival attempting to resurrect your sister, driving her to madness. You have to hunt down and kill her, only to find that more creatures just like her have spread in countless numbers across the skies, all screaming in pain.

So yeah, it's kind of like Gantz meets Berzerk (blatant references include giant swords, etc. At least it's slightly more subtle than Final Fantasy VII ripping it off without keeping any of the interesting bits). I hear the sequel sucks because it's jRPG rubbish which tries to explain everything, including how the universe relates to our reality. I'm fairly certain the game's creators have utter contempt for every single one of its cast members, including the fodder, as well as the player. That means YOU, YES YOU! Instead of an epic about glory and retribution and such, all you ever get is more death, misery, hopelessness and betrayal, mission after mission, right until the very end. And there's no way to salvage a single thing your character cares for, no matter what ending you get: At best, you just get more chances to indulge in your sociopathic sprees.

Oh, the cool notes: The world map is a flipped map of Europe and the weird, but awesome score is made from samples of well-known classical music pieces.

Simon Belmont, you should play this game.

What games have you played that you've either felt completely disturbed by or revelled in by their sheer weirdness?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:34 pm        Reply with quote

Is there a reason you didn't post this on the front page?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:34 pm        Reply with quote

interestingly enough, the score is by nobuyoshi sano, who's soundtracked multiple tekken and ridge racer games with melodic, synthy tech-house. i don't fucking understand the drakengard soundtrack at all :D
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:39 pm        Reply with quote

just think they saved these japanese assholes just to be killed by them
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:50 pm        Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
Is there a reason you didn't post this on the front page?

It hardly seems like anything frontpage worthy.

You can put it up there if you'd like.

manmachine plays jazz wrote:
i don't fucking understand the drakengard soundtrack at all :D

It's pretty glorious, though!

Here's the theme song, Growing Wings, with Kay Jemsen.

Actually, I'm trying to think of other fantasy series that use the alternate reality being our own real world trope. I'm sure there's a number of them.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:59 pm        Reply with quote

I never actually played it, but there was that Japanese arcade game where you had to poke people in the ass. That one was very fucked up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:01 pm        Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure at least some of the deception series would fall under this category, as well.

I also feel obligated to point out that Drakengard was called Drag-on Dragoon in Japan.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:02 pm        Reply with quote

Maybe one of the Dark Seed games. I haven't played them, but uh, pictures and various bits of info suggest that those games are pretty out there. I wanted to say killer7, but there's probably crazier examples.
Also Haunting Ground's death scenes would fit in here, I think.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:03 pm        Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
I also feel obligated to point out that Drakengard was called Drag-on Dragoon in Japan.

The jokes about the tedious gameplay are too easy now!

What if Square is trying to tell its fans something out of pure loathing in both the subject matter and gameplay? :O

zombieman000 wrote:
Maybe one of the Dark Seed games. I haven't played them, but uh, pictures and various bits of info suggest that those games are pretty out there. I wanted to say killer7, but there's probably crazier examples.


Oh, Dark Seed is just a carnival of Giger horrors. It ultimately isn't that weird, especially with its by-the-numbers B-movie plot. if you want something much, much stranger in that vein, there's Harvester.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:05 pm        Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
I'm pretty sure at least some of the deception series would fall under this category, as well.

I also feel obligated to point out that Drakengard was called Drag-on Dragoon in Japan.

Ruff Ryders Ride or Die Volume 5: Drag-on Dragoon
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:08 pm        Reply with quote

Isn't there a Drag-on Drakengard Dragoon 2?
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:09 pm        Reply with quote

Dracko wrote:
Mister Toups wrote:
I also feel obligated to point out that Drakengard was called Drag-on Dragoon in Japan.

The jokes about the tedious gameplay are too easy now!

What if Square is trying to tell its fans something out of pure loathing in both the subject matter and gameplay? :O

I bet those fighter jets are the star of the game they'd really like to do.

Now to get on topic

I'd have to say Ninety-Nine Nights, specifically the mission that had Innphy and crew raiding a goblin stronghold. Eventually, you'd get to a point where there were no goblin soldiers, and Inphy would yell out something about leaving no survivors as you cut down goblin women and goblin children. Strange bit of game there, considering it's totally mediocre otherwise.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:13 pm        Reply with quote

Not the most shocking game, but it's what comes to mind at the moment:

Dreamweb is a kind of shlocky game in a Blade Runner-esque universe starring a guy named Ryan who places too much credence in his dreams (and eventually waking delusions) that there are monks asking him to carry out assassinations for him. After murdering a half-dozen people in extremely violent ways, Ryan is shot to death by the police for his crimes.

That the story & subject matter is handled so clumsily is what makes it fucked up – people who were ostensibly adults with jobs made a game handling the subject of insanity about on par with the quality of angsty early-teen scrawlings in a notebook. Perhaps I'm oversensitive to mishandlings of serious subjects that result in the trivialization of, oh, life.

I'll avoid mentioning obvious titles like Killer 7, Chiller, or Manhunt.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:17 pm        Reply with quote

Wow, those Haunting Ground death scenes are completely playing on psychosexuality, aren't that? Is it worth a go?

I've played Chiller and I'm not sure what the point of it is? Oh, the Clock Tower series is probably worth a mention.

I wouldn't say Manhunt is that fucked up in comparison to some of these games. It's essentially 8mm: The Game. Dreamweb was pretty great in not ever revealing to you whether your dreams were prophetic or not. Quite simple-minded as far as adventure games go, though. I don't think adventure games have managed to handle death or killing people all that well.
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mgs2 lol
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:27 pm        Reply with quote

spinach wrote:
Dracko wrote:
Mister Toups wrote:
I also feel obligated to point out that Drakengard was called Drag-on Dragoon in Japan.

The jokes about the tedious gameplay are too easy now!

What if Square is trying to tell its fans something out of pure loathing in both the subject matter and gameplay? :O

I bet those fighter jets are the star of the game they'd really like to do.

Some of the team features Ace Combat 04 designers, and the jet in an unlockable "character" for aerial battles. Caim rides it on top of the cockpit. :D
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: What is the most fucked up game you've ever played?    Reply with quote

Dracko wrote:
As expected from a Square-Enix title, the gameplay is horrendous.


It's a cavia title. S-E is publisher only.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:44 pm        Reply with quote

Two peas in a pod.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:46 pm        Reply with quote

Whatever man Bullet Witch is a pretty good game.

...

There's another game on the tip of my tongue which is just utterly depraved in every way.




Oh yeah, God Hand!

(kinda)
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The only thing I've liked by cavia were their Ghost in the Shell titles.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:56 pm        Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
Whatever man Bullet Witch is a pretty good game.

...

There's another game on the tip of my tongue which is just utterly depraved in every way.




Oh yeah, God Hand!

(kinda)


i don't understand what's so depraved about a pretty fun brawler that just serves as an irreverent send up of its own genre (and anime)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:05 pm        Reply with quote

Goddamn, guys, I used my old cell phone camera to take pics of my television and posted screenshots of the GIANT FLOATING BABIES a while ago! I think that might have been at the IC forums, actually...

Anyway, yeah! Drakengard is seriously one of my favourite games ever.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:38 pm        Reply with quote

The Metal Slug cell phone game I had on my old phone was pretty messed up, also there was a cell phone King of Fighters game I had which was just a rhythm game.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:40 am    Post subject: Re: What is the most fucked up game you've ever played?    Reply with quote

oh, wow. that thing about the music is really interesting. i'm downloading the soundtrack, now.

i guess illbleed is the weirdest game i've played, though i don't really remember much of it. i recall a jump-roping segment where a single misstep equalled death. said jumprope had spikes or something on it. then there was a "horror house" with, uh, i think wax statues that had blood inside. the statues spouted out lines and then exploded or were torn in half by tentacles.
actually, i can't decide if illbleed was fucked up, or just plain retarded.
probably the latter.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Re: What is the most fucked up game you've ever played?    Reply with quote

diplo wrote:
oh, wow. that thing about the music is really interesting. i'm downloading the soundtrack, now.


Wikipedia wrote:
Drakengard featured samplings from Antonín Dvořák (Othello, Op. 93; Carnival Overture, Op. 92; Symphony No. 9 "From the New World"), Béla Bartók (The Miraculous Mandarin), Claude Debussy (La Mer), Gustav Mahler (Symphony No. 5), Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Le Nozee Di Figaro), Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky (The Swan Lake; Capriccio Italien; The Nutcracker Suite; 1812 Overture Solennelle; Romeo and Juliet Fantasy Overture), Ottorino Respighi (Feste Romane), Richard Wagner (Götterdämmerung; Die Walküre; Tannhäuser), Nicolai Rimsky-Korsakov (Capriccio Espagnol) (credited twice, once without "Nicolai"), Modest Mussorgsky (Pictures at an Exhibition) and Gustav Holst (The Planets).


Are you downloading a bundle or going through Galbadia Hotel?
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:01 am        Reply with quote

galbadia hotel only has the second game's ost, as far as i could tell.
i'm downloading individually - via a more painful process - from blue laguna. almost done. ;____;
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:42 am        Reply with quote

Man, fucking Harvester. That game is pretty fucked up.
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Moogs wrote:
Goddamn, guys, I used my old cell phone camera to take pics of my television and posted screenshots of the GIANT FLOATING BABIES a while ago! I think that might have been at the IC forums, actually...


yeah, actually didn't insert-credit have a frontpage thing about this? it's been a few years...

anyways, evil zone was pretty fucked up.
can hardly remember a thing about it, though.
so maybe it isn't as fucked up as I used to think it was.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:58 am        Reply with quote

I suppose Hopkins FBI would also count, if only because it's such a horrible, horrible French turd of a game with dire, but still bizarre, twists. It's like killer7 if written by an impressionable teenage pet-rapist-in-waiting and his Heavy Metal fan friends, who actually are basement metalheads.
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Beat em and Eat em?
I mean its sort of widely known now but when I downloaded it years ago, oh wow.

BONK games is pretty screwball, I mean you like eat meat so you can freak out. Its a good adventure though, in that you never know whats coming next.
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Panic!!/Switch?
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i mean i could name a bunch of shit like d2 or sexy hiking or trio de punch or whatever


but its gotta be snes star fox.



not the same game but probably the most fucked up moment ive had with the series as a whole
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Super Mario 64

I haven't played a Mario game since 1997 because of that single damned game. Even the previous Mario games, like the NES and SNES ones. Not including the Kart and RPG gaiden.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 6:59 am        Reply with quote

zombieman000 wrote:

Panic!!/Switch?


its a weird game but gets boring pretty quickly.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: What is the most fucked up game you've ever played?    Reply with quote

diplo wrote:
oh, wow. that thing about the music is really interesting. i'm downloading the soundtrack, now.

i guess illbleed is the weirdest game i've played, though i don't really remember much of it. i recall a jump-roping segment where a single misstep equalled death. said jumprope had spikes or something on it. then there was a "horror house" with, uh, i think wax statues that had blood inside. the statues spouted out lines and then exploded or were torn in half by tentacles.
actually, i can't decide if illbleed was fucked up, or just plain retarded.
probably the latter.


having recently played illbleed, I can say it's about equal measures of both. I can't remember the detail, but basically the theme park's traps and monsters are revealed to be mechanical and controlled by park staff, but then it turns out that the park staff is also robotic, and then halfway through the game, in a stage that takes place "backstage" at the park (which itself makes no sense because each stage is a horror-themed movie that is inside the theme park itself, except this one takes place behind the scenes of one of the movies they are making) you come across a room which is about the size of 3 football fields, and it's just filled with the corpses of people who died in the theme park, and you cross catwalks that overhang the huge sea of corpses. I never finished it, but so far they have not explained how any of this ties together and I don't think any of it will.

and yeah, there is that jump rope part and it's hard as fuck and completely unfair.

so overall illbleed is pretty great, I'd say.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 7:32 am        Reply with quote

manmachine plays jazz wrote:
Mister Toups wrote:
Whatever man Bullet Witch is a pretty good game.

...

There's another game on the tip of my tongue which is just utterly depraved in every way.




Oh yeah, God Hand!

(kinda)


i don't understand what's so depraved about a pretty fun brawler that just serves as an irreverent send up of its own genre (and anime)


you kind of just answered your own question. anime, in general, is very depraved, as are most brawlers.

I don't really mean "depraved" in a bad way. just in the sense that even the "good guys" are bastards. that's part of what makes it so fun, though.
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I'm gonna say Smash TV.
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wasted potential wrote:
Moogs wrote:
Goddamn, guys, I used my old cell phone camera to take pics of my television and posted screenshots of the GIANT FLOATING BABIES a while ago! I think that might have been at the IC forums, actually...


yeah, actually didn't insert-credit have a frontpage thing about this? it's been a few years...

anyways, evil zone was pretty fucked up.
can hardly remember a thing about it, though.
so maybe it isn't as fucked up as I used to think it was.
the only odd things about evil zone are that each character's story mode is presented as a spoof of a different anime genre, and that there's an in-game encyclopedia with reams and reams of background information about every little thing in the game.
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Talbain wrote:
I'm gonna say Smash TV.


Interesting last boss in that game.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:22 pm        Reply with quote

Probably Demonophobia.

Dont even look for that one kids. Its not worth it despite being a surprisingly reasonable but bastard hard Clock Tower/Another World style game that even 4chan thought was too horrid.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:29 pm        Reply with quote

Godhand is offbeat but not fucked up, man.

Illbleed ends up having a hell level based on toy story where you have to save SEXXXAAAYYY DAAAWWWWLLL from ZONDICK THE HELLHOG. Alas I've only seen this on youtube.
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