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diplo
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| You're starting to sound like a GameFAQs forum member or something, shaper. |
well, the player does kind of suck! |
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Shapermc
crawling in his skin
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: Chicago via St. Louis
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:42 pm |
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| And! What's with the guy playing the remade version? He sucks! |
You're starting to sound like a GameFAQs forum member or something, shaper. |
Hey man, look, he had trouble getting onto stairs a few times.
EDIT: You read enough GameFaqs to know what they sound like?
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Deets
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 11:53 pm |
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The people playing in these preview videos generally suck as a rule, which is why commenting about it seems so masturbatory and pointless.
You don't need to spend time on GameFAQs forums to know what they're like. I have, anyway, so you really don't have to worry about me not having first-hand knowledge. |
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Shapermc
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:03 am |
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| The people playing in these preview videos generally suck as a rule, which is why commenting about it seems so masturbatory and pointless. |
You did read the first half of my post right? With that said, yes it is pointless, which is why I brought it up after making my point. Masturbatory? Perhaps.
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JamesE
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:17 am |
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| mechanori wrote: |
| We've discussed this before: some shit just doesn't work when games move from 2D to 3D, or from an unrealistic style to a realistic or detailed one. Toups's complaint isn't ridiculous; you're the one going overboard here. |
Oh, fuck off Mechanori. Just because some people aren't mature enough to deal with abstraction and some of them might have ganged together here doesn't mean I have to buy into stylistic mob rule.
Abstraction is fine. There is nothing wrong with abstraction - the person most against abstraction on these forums is Guardian, for fuck's sake. The candles float because they have to remain in the same places within the context of a 3D backdrop which introduces perspective. Since the Castlevania games Toups can't remember as well as he thinks he does had many, many candles floating against the sky this is within the character of the game and absolutely acceptible. I's an abstracted platformer series and it always has been.
Some of you really need to get over your crazy conciets. Oh god you're playing a videogame which looks like a videogame! How will mainstream society ever accept you and your hobby now?
Do you know how hard it is to get some people to even look at these forums, let alone join them? The mixture of uninformed arrogance and/or pedantic nitpicking that wafts from a fairly defined tier of posters here has tainted the whole place, just like it tainted the Insert Credit forums before it. It's vexing when I'm trying to turn people on to this place and they outright fucking refuse to click my links. None of it needs to happen because this kind of griping bilge is pointless and insubstantial. This isn't great debate, guys. |
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mechanori
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 12:48 am |
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| This isn't great debate, guys. |
You're the only one debating, James. No one forced you to be here, and no one forced you to "buy into a stylistic mob rule." You're welcome to your fucking opinion, but when you explode into nagging expletives and hyperbole, you're just being combative. Disagree, James. That's all you have to do. Telling people they have "fucking awful taste in games" isn't doing anything, especially when the other person has already said he's not "pounding on the keyboard."
Relax. Just fucking relax. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:13 am |
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| How can I relax while the candles are floating? |
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Shapermc
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diplo
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 1:49 am |
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Toups
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Joined: 03 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:36 am |
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I'm only negative about things that are awful, though.
You're negative about crazy shit because you have fucking awful taste in games.
I mean don't take that as a flame but you really do, man. I get the feeling you'd complain about a blowjob from Salma Hayek if you noticed something stuck in her teeth. |
Yeah, maybe I would!
I don't see how my blowjob preferences have anything to do with my taste in games though!
In all seriousness, can't you accept that some people just have tastes which differ from yours? Or that just because I see both flaws and virtues where you don't, that doesn't mean that I'm an idiot? I mean have I ever accused you for being an idiot for loving Dawn of Sorrow even though I think it's one of the most banal games I've ever played? (and yes, I'm giving the game a second playthrough right now and it's only lowering my opinion of it!)
Here's a recap of this "debate":, starting on page 5:
-I make a post saying that the footage you linked actually looked a lot better than what I was expecting, and then (parenthetically!) note that the candles floating in 3D space is a bit weird.
-you respond by pointing out that this happens in the 2D games, and throw in "(IGA-bashing, sourpuss, etc)" for good measure
-I respond by explaining why I find it weird: because you have additional depth perception and parallax that you didn't have with 2D rendering
-you respond with a non-sequiter argument about the role of abstraction in castlevania games, which is understandable given the way I worded my complaint
-I clarify my point hoping that you'll understand with a clearer explanation
-you start yelling and swearing
-I repeat that I only found it weird
-you say that I'm a "negative nancy"
-I tacitly acknowledge the irony of this statement
-you respond that I have terrible taste in games
Do you see the problem here? Do you see?
Can't we all just get along?!?!
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BotageL
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diplo
Joined: 18 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:10 am |
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Hell no, this is the Internet.
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haze
la belle poney sans merci
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 3:25 am |
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| you guys are elitists, i'm quitting this place and going back to the internet. |
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boojiboy7
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Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: take me on a blatant doom trip.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:13 am |
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| man, i just thought the candles looked funny. I mean, it made me kinda realize how they had been funny all along, but it just drew attention to it with all the paralaxes and such. |
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Yeah, in complete honesty I thought the candles looked rather odd as they always seemed like a background element that you could interact with, and now they are dramatically separated from said background. I doubt it'll mean much once you start playing and get used to it, but on first glance it sticks out fairly prominently. Hopefully it's just a placeholder and they at least put in something that fits in a bit better.
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JamesE
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Toups, you seriously complain all the time about absolutely anything about any game that seems to come up, ever.
Here's what pisses me off, OK? IGA is like some kind of punchbag to you and some of the other fanboys, even though he's only made 2 games out of 5 in the series that you disliked. It seems like he can do nothing right after the Dawn of Sorrow gaming hipster backlash of 2005.
And now you're complaining about CANDLES FLOATING IN THE AIR. In an abstract platform game, in a Castlevania. Do you even realize how maladroit and kind of pathetic that sounds? Those candles have been floating for 13 years - go to Rondo, unlock Stage '2, start it up. There are three candles floating against a blue, blue sky. Walk forward, and they float against the parallax in exactly the same way. For someone who pines for a certain era of the series, you don't actually seem to retain that much about it.
What you are complaining about is faithful compliance to the era of the series you are constantly pining for. What the hell, man?
It's threads like this that are the reasons some pretty awesome people I know won't post here (and didn't post at IC), because they think this place is bullshit. Right now I can wholeheartedly agree. It's like talking to scenster kids about music. |
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aerisdead
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:23 pm |
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Hey James did you see the Superbowl half time show
Prince really rocked it hard even though it was pissing down
That guy is a proper showman no mistake
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JamesE
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Hey James did you see the Superbowl half time show
Prince really rocked it hard even though it was pissing down
That guy is a proper showman no mistake |
Shit! I had no idea Prince was playing :(
Why are the regular stages of rondo shit and the secret ones excellent |
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Levi
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This thread just keeps making me smile, and occasionally chortle and try and pass it off as a cough so that people won't think I laugh at things that happen on the internet.
2.5 D Comparative Crystal Ball: Rondo remake will be better than Sega Ages Golden Axe remake. |
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Toups
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:26 pm |
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Toups, you seriously complain all the time about absolutely anything about any game that seems to come up, ever.
Here's what pisses me off, OK? IGA is like some kind of punchbag to you and some of the other fanboys, even though he's only made 2 games out of 5 in the series that you disliked. It seems like he can do nothing right after the Dawn of Sorrow gaming hipster backlash of 2005.
And now you're complaining about CANDLES FLOATING IN THE AIR. In an abstract platform game, in a Castlevania. Do you even realize how maladroit and kind of pathetic that sounds? Those candles have been floating for 13 years - go to Rondo, unlock Stage '2, start it up. There are three candles floating against a blue, blue sky. Walk forward, and they float against the parallax in exactly the same way. For someone who pines for a certain era of the series, you don't actually seem to retain that much about it.
What you are complaining about is faithful compliance to the era of the series you are constantly pining for. What the hell, man?
It's threads like this that are the reasons some pretty awesome people I know won't post here (and didn't post at IC), because they think this place is bullshit. Right now I can wholeheartedly agree. It's like talking to scenster kids about music. |
First of all -- yes, I complain. I am a critical person. This doesn't mean that I don't love videogames. I love them so much that I must criticize them. I'm sure if you check any other messageboard on the internet you will find plenty of people who do nothing but complain as well.
Also -- did you miss the part where I said that this was good news and that I will probably buy a PSP for this? Did you miss the part where I said the stage 2 footage looked much better than what I was expecting?
I mean, what do you expect? Me to only say positive things about videogames? Or me to refrain from making complaints which don't fit into your arbitrarily framed notions of "correct" and "retarded"?
I don't know where you are getting all this. IGA isn't a punching bag to me -- and I appreciate what he is doing -- but I've been very disappointed in his recent efforts, which show lack of inspiration, design skill, and polish. They have lots of charm, yes, but the games are becoming increasingly banal despite whatever surface changes to the gameplay are made. I know he CAN make a good game -- but I've given up hope that he will make one again. As I have said before, I would love to be proven wrong.
And all I'm complaining about it lack of aesthetic common sense. The candles just look strange rendered in 3D space. The game's visuals would be more pleasing to me if they made some concession to this, and at least put something on the same layer of parallax as the candles. It doesn't ruin the game for me and to be honest I don't even give a flying fuck because I will never be forced to play the remixed version of a game I don't own on a system I don't own, and even if I do I will always be able to play the original. But I still reserve the right to make comments about it, seeing as this is a discussion board and that is what people do. I honestly don't understand why you are so fixated on it and keep bringing it up as it's almost wholly irrelevant to the discussion at hand, but whatever.
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chompers po pable
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:12 pm |
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| sup james christ. keep fighting the good fight, man. |
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Deets
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:13 pm |
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| The people playing in these preview videos generally suck as a rule, which is why commenting about it seems so masturbatory and pointless. |
You did read the first half of my post right? With that said, yes it is pointless, which is why I brought it up after making my point. Masturbatory? Perhaps. |
Yeah, it was a pretty unnecessary comment on my part. I was just surprised to see you fall into that trap. It seemed unlike you. Ho ho!
Keep fighting the good fight, toups. EDIT: The above post was not there when I originally started writing this post. Terrifying! |
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Maztorre
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:36 pm |
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| Dudes, can't we all just agree that Castlevania is a mostly mediocre series saved by its appealing setting and well above-par music? |
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dark steve
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:47 pm |
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| Bloodlines is good, guys. |
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PianoMap
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:12 pm |
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I didn't recognize him at first. I was like, "Fuck that guy is a totaly Prince ripoff and he's only covering other people's songs."
Then Purple Rain started and I mean damn Prince looks a lot younger these days than I expected him to.
He's a pretty damn good guitarist!
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Shapermc
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:30 pm |
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| IGA is like some kind of punchbag to you and some of the other fanboys, even though he's only made 2 games out of 5 in the series that you disliked. It seems like he can do nothing right after the Dawn of Sorrow gaming hipster backlash of 2005. |
Wait, I'm not quite sure what you're saying here.
Also, I frequently forget that Iga was the one in charge of Chronicles, which kicks all kind of ass.
This thread is almost legendary. Let's talk about Castlevania Legends!
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JamesE
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CAN YOU SURVIVE PEDOVANIA |
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BotageL
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:13 pm |
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I miss the days where twelve-year-olds looked like eight-year-olds with breasts.
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diplo
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:27 pm |
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| Let's talk about Castlevania Legends! |
utter tripe!
i agree with maztorre and i said about the same thing a while back itt. |
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Deets
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:37 pm |
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CAN YOU SURVIVE PEDOVANIA |
Your schtick is getting kind of old. |
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aerisdead
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:40 pm |
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guys the only way you can kill a pedophile is with a stake through the heart
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JamesE
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| deets does not believe putting breasts on a 12 year old girl drawn as an 8 year old is wrong in this thread |
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bort
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:07 am |
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| deets does not believe putting breasts on a 12 year old girl drawn as an 8 year old is wrong in this thread |
MAYBE THE ARTIST THINKS THEY ARE CUTE *GEEZ* |
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Maztorre
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:26 am |
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| Those aren't tits they're her subweapons press up and B to access them if you know what I mean and I think you do |
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Deets
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:59 am |
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| deets does not believe putting breasts on a 12 year old girl drawn as an 8 year old is wrong in this thread |
I don't remember typing that. I do remember thinking it kind of ridiculous that you "replied" to toups' reasoned response with an irrelevant segue into the pedophilia thing. Especially when you've already gone into great detail with it in other threads numerous times. It's just getting a little bit tiresome, that's all. Kind of like your posts in general, but I can see that you've got your niche and are sticking to it. I can respect that, although I kind of wish that you would make good posts more often, and make less terrible ones filled with wanton insults and accusations of pedophelia. |
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JamesE
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I'm not seguing in to anything, I just wanted to post some of the fucked up concept art I found on Castlevania Dungeon :( Do you not think that the art they commissioned for the game is ugly and out of tone at best and fucked up at worst?
Casltevania: Bassline of Moe |
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Deets
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I'm not seguing in to anything, I just wanted to post some of the fucked up concept art I found on Castlevania Dungeon :( Do you not think that the art they commissioned for the game is ugly and out of tone at best and fucked up at worst?
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It just seems like schlocky mid-90s anime style. I mean, that picture of Richter and Maria rocking out in the most anachronistic manner possible? Adorable. If you don't agree, that's fine. To turn the tables on you, I think it's interesting that you saw the sexualization of minors and pedophelia in what I saw as par-for-the-course generic video game character designs. |
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JamesE
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I'm not seguing in to anything, I just wanted to post some of the fucked up concept art I found on Castlevania Dungeon :( Do you not think that the art they commissioned for the game is ugly and out of tone at best and fucked up at worst?
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It just seems like schlocky mid-90s anime style. I mean, that picture of Richter and Maria rocking out in the most anachronistic manner possible? Adorable. If you don't agree, that's fine. To turn the tables on you, I think it's interesting that you saw the sexualization of minors and pedophelia in what I saw as par-for-the-course generic video game character designs. |
She's 12 and they gave her huge tits and a sexualized pose. I mean, I'm no Sherlock Holmes or anything. |
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Toups
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I think some dresses are just shaped that way sometimes?
Either way it doesn't give me a boner so it doesn't really matter?
I do prefer Ayami Kojima's rendition of Maria though.
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showka
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I actually think the art is kind of ugly and can't ever stand that kind of Sailor Moon esque young girl bug eyed crap. But if it doesn't match the tone, that was sort of the point. Everything I've heard indicates that Maria was suppossed to be a joke type character, kind of like Parodius.
But I think its kind of weird that James is making a huge deal about the fact the artist drew curves on Maria's chest.
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Breast development
The first physical sign of puberty in girls is usually a firm, tender lump under the center of the areola(e) of one or both breasts, occurring on average at about 10 years of age. This is referred to as thelarche. By the widely used Tanner staging of puberty, this is stage 2 of breast development (stage 1 is a flat, prepubertal breast). Within 6-12 months, the swelling has clearly begun in both sides, softened, and can be felt and seen extending beyond the edges of the areolae. This is stage 3 of breast development. By another 12 months (stage 4), the breasts are approaching mature size and shape, with areolae and papillae forming a secondary mound. In most young women, this mound disappears into the contour of the mature breast (stage 5), although there is so much variation in sizes and shapes of adult breasts that distinguishing advanced stages is of little clinical value. |
Should Konami have ironed Maria's breasts just to convince James it wasn't trying to target the pedophile market? |
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Swimmy
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| Do you see the problem here? Do you see? |
The problem, which is pretty much the reason I originally left IC, is that you (and James and a million other people) think clarifying what you say to someone who disagrees with you on the internet is going to work.
Really I just read 2 pages of "Candles floating in empty space look weirder in 2.5D" vs. "Candles floating in empty space don't look particularly weirder in 2.5D, and even then LOL Castlevania whattyagonnado?"
2 pages.
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