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JamesE
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You can't expect New Games Journalists to fact check relevant detail, dude.
I'm to understand that a lot of PS3 stuff suffers quite heavily from bloat, or even having junk data pushed onto the ISO to move the important stuff towards the outer sector - in any case this is a MGS, so there will be distinct segments where a disc swap would be possible.
This game looks alarmingly stilted in pretty much every way. No doubt this will be seized upon by the Kojima fans as a genius way to simulate old age, at which point I break out the dutch ovens. I just want this off PS3 to damage Sony a bit more, really. |
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aderack
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Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Kojima likes GoW |
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| Kappuru wrote: |
| errr.. i don't know what the kb/sec read speeds are, but I know they're a whole hell of a lot more than 150kb/sec. |
1) Blu-Ray is a brand new format
2) the drives in the PS3 will therefore be first-generation drives of this new format.
3) compared to the drives we'll be seeing if and when the format actually establishes itself, the PS3 drive is going to be slow, buggy, and horrible
4) it's comparable to the situation with early single-speed CD drives.
And fuck you, James. That wasn't necessary. |
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fairy godmilf
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: oakland, california
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:32 pm |
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| Waffen wrote: |
| Owning a PS3 equipped w/ Blu-Ray < shitting in your hat and wearing it |
actually all ps3s are equipped with blu-ray
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| Blue Dragon is 4 discs or something right? |
three actually dogg
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gooktime
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:10 pm |
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I'm kinda saddened that we're discussing new standards in optical media of all things - they're always going to be slow and unreliable.
Give me a console that streams everything off a huge hard drive and downloads games the night before release or something. |
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Lestrade
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:31 pm |
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Back on freaking topic: I hope that Kojima's love of Gears means he'll be sticking with a more dynamic or exciting viewpoint than the top-down stuff in previous MGS games. It seems to me that the praise for MGS3:Subsistence's 3D camera was almost universal; hopefully Kojima was listening.
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SuperWes
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 4:10 pm |
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| Lestrade wrote: |
| Back on freaking topic: I hope that Kojima's love of Gears means he'll be sticking with a more dynamic or exciting viewpoint than the top-down stuff in previous MGS games. It seems to me that the praise for MGS3:Subsistence's 3D camera was almost universal; hopefully Kojima was listening. |
I'm sure it won't be top-down since Portable Ops' camera is behind the back, but fuck if Portable Ops camera isn't BROKE AS FUCK. With the broken controls of the PSP, Portable Ops certainly should have been done with a top-down camera.
Oh yeah, and I'm with firenze on the HDD thing. The DVD Drive speed doesn't really matter as much since smart developers who code their games specifically for PS3 will use the Hard Drive as a temporary storage location to improve load times. Ridge Racer is kind of cruddy in that you have to specifically tell it to install the game on your hard drive, but I wouldn't be surprised if newer games began using hard drive space in the background as temporary file storage. A few Xbox games did this (Halo and Doom 3 are the ones that stand out right now) and it seemed to work really well.
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boojiboy7
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Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: take me on a blatant doom trip.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:56 pm |
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| The first version of Ninja Gaiden totally did this as well, hence the horrendous first load time on the game. |
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JamesE
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: Re: Kojima likes GoW |
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| Eric-Jon Rössel Waugh wrote: |
| Kappuru wrote: |
| errr.. i don't know what the kb/sec read speeds are, but I know they're a whole hell of a lot more than 150kb/sec. |
1) Blu-Ray is a brand new format
2) the drives in the PS3 will therefore be first-generation drives of this new format.
3) compared to the drives we'll be seeing if and when the format actually establishes itself, the PS3 drive is going to be slow, buggy, and horrible
4) it's comparable to the situation with early single-speed CD drives.
And fuck you, James. That wasn't necessary. |
Well, no less than three minutes with Google reveals that PS3 uses a 2x Blu-Ray.
Regardless, this is not like going "back to the Mega CD" - games consoles traditionally use low multipliers for drives, usually in the ballpark of 1-4x speed. This is pretty much a consistent trend across disc based media systems - Saturn and PSOne at double speed, Xbox hovering around 2-5x DVD, PS2 at 4x DVD. These are medium to low-end consumer items. At best you can make an argument at regression to the relative standards of 1995-era hardware, by which point CD had been knocking around for over a decade. We're in an entirely different world when it comes to introducing new classes of disc based media.
So basically while I know your line of work doesn't need you to check stuff or back anything up with citations, writers making off-the-wall assertions and sticking to them like they were canon has always been a pet hate of mine. The solution is not to say "fuck you" but to rein that shit in. |
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aderack
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:51 pm |
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Noted. Also, see: this was an offhanded comment on an internet forum.
Still, okay.
EDIT:
"That", incidentally, refers to your conduct; not to researching everything I mention on a bulletin board. I suppose it could apply to either, though. |
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bort
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Location: Are you related to Bandai and Namco takes of games Sent from my iPhone
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:08 am |
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WARNING:
The facts you are about to read are canon.
Also this has more to do with how big Blu-Ray discs are than anything else, but with a 2x speed drive (that is, 9MB/s) it will take you 47 minutes to read a standard 25 gig Blu-Ray disc. So assuming a game takes up the full disc and you play it to the end/see all the content, that is three quarters of an hour minimum that you will spend looking at loading screens (unless the game streams data which unfortunately not all games do!). That's pretty great!
ps i do not understand how computers work so feel free to call me an idiot if none of that makes any sense |
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GcDiaz
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:20 am |
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Yeah, wouldn't X be a variable, equal to that particular format's base speed? Who's to say blu-ray lenses don't read quicker, or that the discs don't naturally spin faster than standard discs?
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parkbench
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:35 pm |
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| It seems to me that the praise for MGS3:Subsistence's 3D camera was almost universal; hopefully Kojima was listening. |
Well I would hate to think that was all for nothing, right? I mean the whole purported purpose of Subsistence was to see what fans thought. I'd guess that if it was a hit Kojima would go for it. If he didn't it would probably be a huge mistake. That's besides the fact that they've got a while to perfect it. |
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Rud31
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:57 pm |
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| or that the discs don't naturally spin faster than standard discs? |
I'm not sure. I thought it mean something like 1000 times a minute or some such. The problem is CDs got to a point where if they spun any faster they would literally shatter from pure force. So I'm not sure if Blue-Ray is made up of better materials. In all likelyhood it's made up of worse.
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 6:19 pm |
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| I'm pretty sure that Cingular campaign was tongue-in-cheek. |
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oneEIGHTkevin
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 11:43 pm |
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| Rud13 wrote: |
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| or that the discs don't naturally spin faster than standard discs? |
I'm not sure. I thought it mean something like 1000 times a minute or some such. The problem is CDs got to a point where if they spun any faster they would literally shatter from pure force. So I'm not sure if Blue-Ray is made up of better materials. In all likelyhood it's made up of worse. |
No joke my 52x cd/r shattered a cheap blank cd I bought from Fry's. I think it was just a really bad cd to begin with because none of them ever shattered again but still.
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DaleNixon
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