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[scratchmonkey]

[remote]

Well, why does one play an eroge? Don't tell me it's because you really find the whole subject that compelling, or I'm going to call you a wanker and a pseudo-intellectual. Or at least a wanker, because that is all these games are about — and I have nothing at all against masturbation or sexuality in general, but when one turns to the retarded fantasies presented by games like these, I dunno... I just find it incredibly distasteful and a little pathetic? I would have thought these forums would be the last place the eroge genre would be met with any sort of glorification, or anything less than pure ridicule (aside from a few people I have always pretty much ignored (I mean we have Rya.Reisender saying here "it's because real girls suck" and it's just being left alone)). I mean, I know, some guys are just too busy playing videogames and watching anime to ever get some real pussy (let's be blunt), but I don't want to hear about how you wish you could use BOTH hands to jerk it while manipulating Fake Anime Girl (possibly your little sister) into blowing you or even just holding your hand or something.

I mean, what the fuck? How sad are we?

Sexual content in games is one thing, but when it becomes your tool for actual masturbation, physical, psychological, or emotional, fucking keep it to yourself. Wow.

[scratchmonkey]

So, you're reacting entirely to a few posts in the thread that you think are low-brow and ignoring the posts that are discussing the design and psychology and the why god why of erogames?

I mean, I've pretty much just skimmed the thread; looking at dess' posts on the second page, it seems like there's some pretty "legit" discussion going on that isn't really covered by your complaints.

Or, to put it another way, why is anything "less than pure ridicule" unacceptable?

[remote]

Ok, so she made an interesting point about how the potentiality contained in these scenarios is what's really interesting (right?), but elsewhere in the thread you have people saying, "Yeah, I actually jerked off to that scene." Um, ok?

I didn't actually say that total ridicule is the only acceptable response here, but I mean, come on. Hentai games. People saying they play them, and I'm pretty sure that most of the time it's not really because they find that POTENTIALITY oh so thrilling, or because they want to be able to hold a legitimate, thoughtful discussion about these games on selectbutton forums. It's because they can't get laid and they need weird fantasy scenarios to help them bust one. Involving mermaids and mentally disabled girls or whatever.

Am I wrong?

[scratchmonkey]

It just seems like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Yes, pretty much anything that involves "erotic" content outside of pornography* begs the question of "why not just pornography" since it doesn't seem to serve any purpose separate from porn while obfuscating the traditional porn experience. Well, there's some discussion to be had as to whether this is true or whether the obfuscation has a vital role to play in the process, discussions that wouldn't happen if the whole mess was tossed in the garbage/Axe.

I'm also interested that the validation of our base natures is somehow sullying -- would you have the same reaction if there were a thread about FPSes where people were talking about how great and awesome it was in this particular part of the level when such-and-such happened and there was blood everywhere?

* - Which has been described elsewhere, accurately, as "cigarettes for the brain".

[Loki Laufeyson]

desire and lust should not be celebrated.
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[scratchmonkey]

[Talbain]

[Loki Laufeyson]

the gal pani x doujin game is actually really good, taking qix, and adding bullet hell patterns.
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[Talbain]

[Loki Laufeyson]

no, it wouldn't.
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[remote]

[Loki Laufeyson]

i was being sarcastic. it's a (infamous round these parts) quote from an old thread about anal sex, said by someone who wasn't being sarcastic. is there any reason why rape simulators aren't okay? unless you believe the "monkey see monkey do" theory, in which case, all violent games are bad.

they probably wouldn't be very fun to play, though.

also, the claims of h-games being purely for horny virgins is debunked, as the majority of posters aren't virgins.
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[scratchmonkey]

Loki was making an in-joke.

And really, I think it would be disingenuous to argue that at least one of the main draws of FPS games isn't the human fascination with the taboo nature of violence. So while I don't think that "gore" is necessarily a major draw for an FPS, I do think that simulated violence is. And I say this as somebody who likes FPS games.

I feel compelled to point out that you didn't actually ignore my correlation of sex with violence, which I think is somewhat justified (the correlation), especially since many of the erogames mentioned here do intentionally have the act of rape (as well as other sexual taboos, such as incest) as part of their appeal.

I just find odd that it seems that the very existence of these games that you find to be banal and insipid precludes any sort of discussion of them, that any analysis must by default be worthless because the games themselves are worthless.

[remote]

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

I'm a little lost here. Do you think porn games are weird and pathetic because the are pornography, or because they are very rarely more than pornography?
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[scratchmonkey]

I don't think that you should stop posting about it in much the same way that I don't think the thread should have been Axed.

[Talbain]

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

I can sort of understand if he's talking about the element of interactivity inherent in a game, pornographic or not. Pornographic pictures, videos and writing is something you only consume, not interact with. Phone sex lines, sex MMOGs and sex chats still having you dealing with humans (well, one would hope).

But with games, you're essentially acting out the fantasies in an alternative world where nobody can stop you (at least not permanently). Given what people say about violent games, and how the US (and some other countries) holds sexuality as more taboo than violence (and sexually-based crimes as more reprehensible), it's not that hard to see where someone might begin objecting to the whole thing.
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[bloody heartland]

Eroge games are creepy and weird because instead of just finding a well done porno and having a polish you're playing a shoddy videogame and pressing buttons to have a polish. Bad videogames and creepy shit should not really be celebrated.

Eroge also tends to be overloaded with terrible anime art, which doesn't help. If you wank off to that stuff I'm probably going to have to run you down with a main battle tank and burn all your pokemon merch in the interests of national security.

[remote]

[Talbain]

I don't really equate porno and well done. I think pornography is something, by very definition, rough. As for the shoddy videogame comment, I can only say to read my above posts about visual novels. If by terrible you mean either copying popular contemporary styles or moving far off the beaten path into strange what the fuck is that land, then I agree.
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[remote]

[bloody heartland]

A game defined around pretend people having pretend sex as visualised by a programer might not be creepy per se, but the act of putting any effort into it, coding or playing, most certainly is. Because, you know, fake sex! Computers! Hentai!

The onus is on you, DAIS, to find me an eroge game with compelling gameplay, or one that isn't creepy.

Sup antitype :fistbump:

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

[iwontusemyname]

do you know how many porno movies there are with compelling plots, themes and characters?


honestly...

a lot more than you think.
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[Talbain]

I wonder why you demonize a genre and then claim the majority of games as being bad. Have you seen the non-porn games industry? I mean, I find the "My Pretty Pony" and "Horse Training" games as being "creepy shit" but I don't demonize videogames because of it.

You have to look for quality no matter where you're going, why you expect some higher standard of pornography of all things is rather outrageous.
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[Rya.Reisender]

Okay I see, you like those games because they make you think about sex and related topics. But playing them for masturbation is a bad thing, eh?

Does anyone know Knights of Xentar? That RPG was really fun and it wouldn't so fun if it was not erotic (many good sex-jokes). Though I admit some parts of the age 16+ softcore version (which is still really erotic, just a bit censored, partly you see girls in ripped clothes that don't reveal the vag or breasts) are sometimes better than the ones in the adult version.

Also, Variable Geo games have a much better gameplay than most beat 'em ups imo (I only played Advanced V.G.2, though).


Although it's kinda of weird to like the virtual girls of visual novels more than the real girls, it really makes sense. I mean those virtual girls have personalities especially designed to be enjoyable by males. They are what males really want and can't get in real life to begin with. I mean I guess it's wrong to say "real life girls all have a sucky personality", because I guess there are probably exceptions. They are just harder to find. It's easier to buy a hentai / visual novel / dating sim / whatever and directly find a virtual girl that totally fascinated you and has a lovable personality than going out talking with 500+ girls just to find a single girl that behaves as uncommon as you seek.
Though I guess the real problem is that the virtual girls can't became reality so you're kinda stuck with something similar to a pure internet relationship. I guess you could also argue that real girls have 'unlimited new content' while virtual girls are limited where at some point you know all their possible sentences. But then again, there are not many pure internet relationships that last longer than 3 months.

[Talbain]

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

rya I was going to talk about Knights of Xentar/Dragon Knight III's sense of humor but now you've ruined it.

the game isn't that great, but the translation (for a PC JRPG released in 1994) is pretty amusing. And I'm guessing that's because they were extremely unfaithful to the original. At least, I'm pretty sure the original didn't have one of the sex scenes feature a description of how legal problems (such as the name of the game) could get in the way of good products being released in other markets.

Also, there's a town with a brothel with like four women, and instead of just having sex scenes with them, the hero usually ends up talking about his personal sexual and relationship hang-ups. One of the women is doing a nurse fetish thing, and the hero gets creeped out by the roleplay involved and refuses to have a needle stuck in him.

Also the game's recurring joke is the small size of the hero's penis.

Hmmm...maybe I should Let's Play it...
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[Talbain]

[chevluh]

Ah, my bad, never mind. I wasn't certain, and it's always a point worth pointing out

[Chris B]

Review of Artificial Girl 2

[Mr Peckerston]

[remote]

[nakysnaky]

The Artificial Girl games are notable for a fantastic interface. Artificial Girl 3 just has a tiny little orb in the left hand corner and NOTHING ELSE in terms of a HUD. It's pretty great! Also, they allow you to do a whole bunch in the game without doing too much outside of it (I think the point is leaving one of your hands free, but still!) A lot of games can stand to learn something from Artificial Girl 3, I think, even if its reasons for immersion are maybe a little different from the average game's.

Also, my two cents on the WHY NOT JUST REGULAR PORNOGRAPHY thing is more stimulation through interaction (masturbating with your brain kind of covers this) and CONTROL.