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General Eroge Thread: CircleJerk Ahoy (Ft. Eroge week '08)

 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:56 pm        Reply with quote

There are dozens upon dozens of first-person dungeon crawlers with pornographic content (from Japan, I mean). It's a well-established sub-genre that flourished during the late 80s and early 90s.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 7:40 pm        Reply with quote

dessgeega wrote:
what if it was actually attached to a compelling game? i think i smell a project.


what if what was actually attached to a compelling game? the generic smut or the generic gameplay mechanics?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 9:40 pm        Reply with quote

dessgeega wrote:
we get it, dais: you're boring. you don't need to troll every sex-related thread to convince us how Beneath You this all is.


okay, let's get this out of the way: fuck you

What about Raidy makes it any different from the dozens of other porn dungeon crawlers based around the same premise?

More broadly, what makes it even notable as a game? It's divided into two parts, dungeon crawling and porn. The dungeon crawling is run of the mill and, based on your description, so is the porn. Neither would become notable if divorced from the other and attached to something more "compelling". Why?

The porn is cutscenes. Cutscenes with tits, but cutscenes nonetheless. If you acknowledge them as a notable reward, you're going to have to do the same for cutscenes in other genres.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 11:02 pm        Reply with quote

that interesting insight would've been a lot better in your previous post.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:46 am        Reply with quote

I'm a little lost here. Do you think porn games are weird and pathetic because the are pornography, or because they are very rarely more than pornography?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 3:45 am        Reply with quote

I can sort of understand if he's talking about the element of interactivity inherent in a game, pornographic or not. Pornographic pictures, videos and writing is something you only consume, not interact with. Phone sex lines, sex MMOGs and sex chats still having you dealing with humans (well, one would hope).

But with games, you're essentially acting out the fantasies in an alternative world where nobody can stop you (at least not permanently). Given what people say about violent games, and how the US (and some other countries) holds sexuality as more taboo than violence (and sexually-based crimes as more reprehensible), it's not that hard to see where someone might begin objecting to the whole thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:01 am        Reply with quote

bloody heartland wrote:
Eroge games are creepy and weird because instead of just finding a well done porno and having a polish you're playing a shoddy videogame and pressing buttons to have a polish. Bad videogames and creepy shit should not really be celebrated.

Eroge also tends to be overloaded with terrible anime art, which doesn't help. If you wank off to that stuff I'm probably going to have to run you down with a main battle tank and burn all your pokemon merch in the interests of national security.


well, this is a great post.

1. "shoddy" is not defined
2. the assumption is made that eroge games never have worthwhile gameplay
3. "creepy shit" is not defined
4. and ending with the condemnation of a culture-specific art style

top of the line james post!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:35 am        Reply with quote

antitype wrote:
2. Maybe, but as I was saying before you really couldn't divorce gameplay (good or bad) from said "creepy shit". And as for that...


er, you said "I don't care if the game is good, you don't divorce one from the other (gameplay from content)." I assume you mean 'when analyzing the game'....

I think you're kind of generalizing the genre when you don't acknowledge deviations from the visual novel format - the Qix clones, the dungeon crawlers, the action games, the sex sims. The gameplay rarely if ever stands against even the average of the genre, but not all games are choosing conversation options from a menu.

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3. Pretty sure you could define "creepy shit" easily enough by running a google search for "eroge" or "hentai game" and having a look around.


And this is a stereotype that, while widely accurate, isn't always the case. There's plenty of games out there about sex between consensual partners - they just get less notice because people on the internet are usually much more interested in the rape, incest, monster, etc ones.

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I mean... ok, I guess when I think of hentai games I think of them as "creepy shit" in kind of the same way I think of those sex dolls with morbidly freakish anime faces being some seriously fucking creepy shit.


the sex doll is implicitly a replacement for an actual person. that is not always the case with pornographic games. it's kind of like the difference between playing a game where you shoot people and buying a physical model of a person to use as target practice
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:48 am        Reply with quote

bloody heartland wrote:
The onus is on you, DAIS, to find me an eroge game with compelling gameplay, or one that isn't creepy.


1. Well, define "compelling gameplay". I don't want to name an example and have you claim it's not up to your standard of compelling. Although I'm fairly confident in stating that the Ningyou Tsukai 2 (sequel to the game Megatech released as Metal & Lace) is a pretty damn competent PC-unique fighting game (especially for the mid 90s), although I can't recall whether you'd have a beef with the content or not. Oh, and the Variable Geo games, while sometimes featuring disgusting content (ie, rape), were still a successful enough fight series to earn no-porn console spinoffs.

2. Seasons of the Sakura
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:03 am        Reply with quote

rya I was going to talk about Knights of Xentar/Dragon Knight III's sense of humor but now you've ruined it.

the game isn't that great, but the translation (for a PC JRPG released in 1994) is pretty amusing. And I'm guessing that's because they were extremely unfaithful to the original. At least, I'm pretty sure the original didn't have one of the sex scenes feature a description of how legal problems (such as the name of the game) could get in the way of good products being released in other markets.

Also, there's a town with a brothel with like four women, and instead of just having sex scenes with them, the hero usually ends up talking about his personal sexual and relationship hang-ups. One of the women is doing a nurse fetish thing, and the hero gets creeped out by the roleplay involved and refuses to have a needle stuck in him.

Also the game's recurring joke is the small size of the hero's penis.

Hmmm...maybe I should Let's Play it...
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 2:33 am        Reply with quote

antitype wrote:
Chris B wrote:
@antitype: You can call me a pseudo-intellectual now (and a wanker of course).

Well dude, the review is nice and sweet and all, and aw, you even compared the girl to Yorda in Ico... I'm still going to think going to think it's at least a little bit funny where a guy speaks wistfully about this game game game that he sincerely loves ever so gently, finding that it returns all his affection through the perfect nonexistent girl of his very own creation. A little bit sweet, a little bit funny, a little bit sad. He uses the words "made love" in reference to a videogame girl he had pretend sex with. Isn't that precious?


when you have no argument left, it's generally a good idea not to argue at all.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:49 am        Reply with quote

okay, two things, antitype

1. have you read that whole artificial girl 2 review?

2. have you read Tim's portable island review?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:47 am        Reply with quote

bloody heartland wrote:
At the end of the day, there's just something about gang-rape after a fight (Variable Geo) that's more obscene than Mortal Kombat's fatalities. There's something fairly worrying about knowing that much about this genre that you can pull this out in an arguement!


so you admit I provided an example you can't rebut, but that's not important because you think I'm a rapist?

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Go read that Tim Rogers review of Portable Island that DAIS linked to above. I feel it reinforces what I'm trying to say here.


er, I don't think it does.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:54 am        Reply with quote

portlable island sold 20k in five months.
I could probably name you plenty of hentai games that sold more in less.

Do you think all the people who bought these games are sleazy, "funny", or just fucking sick?
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