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kerobaros



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:02 am    Post subject: Alternative drugs!    Reply with quote

Okay, so, I was over at a friend's house a few minutes ago (read: Holy Grail and weed), and I wound up huffing a couple dozen balloons worth of helium. It was a good time.

Then we started talking about ether! Which I haven't done in a long time. Does anyone know any good, safe, legal places to get some?

Also. Salvia divinorum. I would love to try it, but it's technically illegal in my state. Are there any ways to get some sent to me, or otherwise acquire it?

Also. Any other weird, out there drugs (preferably safe) that you all think I should try? Tell me about them! (Alcohol, weed, crack/cocaine, heroin, LSD, psilocybin, and other common-type-drugs are off limits for purposes of this conversation.)
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:22 am        Reply with quote

why would you huff helium
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 10:29 am        Reply with quote

Yeah isn't huffing helium pretty much the same as not breathing at all?

I'd recommend Hawian Baby Woodrose, it's the only one I've really tried but it's pretty decent for a 'legal high'
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:44 pm        Reply with quote

None of them are what they're cracked up to be; all of them are pretty much a waste of your time. Nutmeg, Baby Woodrose, Jimson Weed...finding the "legal high" is just the pathetic suburban solution to being unable to buy real drugs; buying real drugs with any regularity is just sad.

What I'm saying is: there's no magic bullet. Can't have it both ways. The legal high is never as satisfying as the "real" high because it almost always is based on weird folklore and myth and doesn't work half the time. Illegal highs, the strongest kind, are the only ones you will probably fall in love with and those are the ones you should keep your guard up around.

This is the official Stick to Weed It's the Only One You'll Actually Feel Working Unlike the Others Which You Will Wish Were a Lot Stronger But Are Ultimately Pipe Dreams But if You Don't Listen to Me Have Fun Psychonautin' Ya Damn Fool post.

Also, helium? What? Do you mean nitrous, or did you actually huff helium?
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does nitrous oxide count?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 2:31 pm        Reply with quote

Extra-strength nighttime Nyquil is worth mentioning.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 3:32 pm        Reply with quote

Breaking through on salvia was a really difficult experience. A Taco Bell parking lot isn't a great venue for taking dissociative drugs, though, so your mileage may vary. The experience is out of this world so it's worth trying once, but I doubt you'd want to make a habit out of it.

these herbs are supposed to be good
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    Pedicularis densiflora
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If you drink enough kava you'll feel something, but it's really gross and earthy.
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kava hurts yr liver

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i seriously do not think salvia is a good idea for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:32 pm        Reply with quote

I hear like Dramamine and DXM are pretty Holy fuck man! on high dosages. Though uhh I dunno I've never tried them myself. And they're probs pretty old news?
Oh hey yeah NyQuil looks to have DXM, so there you go.
www.erowid.org is probably a good place to look.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 5:01 pm        Reply with quote

damiana was enjoyable but not comparable to getting really high
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:14 pm        Reply with quote

oligophagy wrote:
why would you huff helium


it makes your voice sound funny
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:31 pm        Reply with quote

slipstream wrote:
Breaking through on salvia was a really difficult experience. A Taco Bell parking lot isn't a great venue for taking dissociative drugs, though, so your mileage may vary. The experience is out of this world so it's worth trying once, but I doubt you'd want to make a habit out of it.


Yeah I'll second that. Salvia is amazing, but it's not a party drug, and it's not even a fun drug. Everybody has different reactions to it. Some of my friends have gone to "magic carpet land" and some have just felt hot and irritable. I've broken through twice, but have very little desire to do so again. It's existentially frightening, for me.

The initial effects tend to be the perception that you're too hot, that any noise at all is too loud, and that everyone around you is annoying. So, if you do it, don't allow any spectators except for one sitter. Keep the lights low (candle=good) and the music off. Then you can really sink back and go somewhere.

Keep in mind that there's a 50/50 chance you're going to find it unpleasant. Don't worry, it only lasts for 5-10 minutes, and then you get to have fun talking about the shit you experienced.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 8:34 pm        Reply with quote

Iggy Poop wrote:
Yeah isn't huffing helium pretty much the same as not breathing at all?'


Yeah helium is not a drug. It's fun to make your voice get squeaky. But if you felt like you were getting high, that was probably a lack of oxygen to your brain.

Oh yeah, and axe this plz.
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Just heard a radio show about that amazonian plant that has DMT in it, how about that. The show said it's all the rage in Colombia
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maybe when jesus turned water into wine he just threw some special plants in the water and everyone was like "whoa man it is just water but it got me nearly as fucked up as that wine last week, wtf jesus?"
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:10 pm        Reply with quote

kratom is a good thing i hear that you make tea out of and drink to enjoy some pleasant chillaxative sensations.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 8:41 pm        Reply with quote

Go for four days with sleep deprivation without getting any natural light. On the last night go outside and wait. use self flagellation to release the endorphins you need to stay away. Scream resh at the top of your lungs as you greet the sunrise and dance until collapse before it has fully cleared the horizon.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:15 pm        Reply with quote

Iggy Poop wrote:
Just heard a radio show about that amazonian plant that has DMT in it, how about that. The show said it's all the rage in Colombia


There are a number of plants that have DMT in them, some of them even grow in the US. DMT is also being produced in minute quantities in your brain at this very moment, even. Some have speculated that it has something to do with dreaming but no one really knows because there's never been any clinical studies of it because it got lumped in with all the other psychedelic drugs they made illegal during the big drug scare in 60s.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

You can find it in the wild almost anywhere it seems like, but extracting it is the tricky part.

"Real" drugs are really just the tip of the ice berg concerning chemicals you can ingest that make your brain do crazy stuff. For instance: Heavenly Blue Morning Glory. You might be surprised to know that if prepared properly the seeds of this otherwise innocent looking flower can make you actually trip balls. It's not just a substitute for the "real thing", is IS the real thing. You'll want to grow them yourself though, because most times when you order these seed packets from places they've been doused in a kind of fungicide which is basically poison to people.

I'm going to try the Morning Glory seeds some day. If you're interested as well then here's what you do. You grow the plants until they flower, usually around fall perhaps. They'll have these seed pods on them, that's what you want. You cut the plant down at the stalk and leave it somewhere for a day or so. Then you go back with a brown paper bag and collect the seed pods. Leave the bag with the pods somewhere where it can cook in sunlight for a couple days, this will give the pods time to pop open and the seeds will fall out into the bottom of the bag. After this is done you take about 225 seeds and grind them up in like a coffee grinder or something like that. Then you mix them in with a milk shake or a protein drink, or anything really that will help you get them down. They will not taste very good at all and you might feel some nausea during the first forty minutes or so. After that the effects will start to kick in and last maybe two or three hours before peaking and then subside over an hour or so. You will hallucinate patterns and such that might call to mind Incan or Aztec art motifs, some people even report meeting entities that could be taken for Incan gods and such like.

Always remember though, no two chemicals (and therefore by extension no two chemical experiences) are created equal and experiences will always vary based on your own physiological and psychological makeup. Always be cautious and know exactly what you're taking and always be prepared to deal with things should an experience turn unpleasant. It's a good idea to have a friend or two around your first time experimenting with something, I wouldn't try anything solo once you know how you'll react and what your own thresholds are to a given chemical. Also not everything is going to "work" the way you think it should work the first time you try it. You might remember, if you've ever smoked pot regularly, that the first time you tried it was quite different from the most recent time you did it. The same principle applies to everything else as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 9:18 pm        Reply with quote

extrabastardformula wrote:
Go for four days with sleep deprivation without getting any natural light. On the last night go outside and wait. use self flagellation to release the endorphins you need to stay away. Scream resh at the top of your lungs as you greet the sunrise and dance until collapse before it has fully cleared the horizon.


Sleep deprivation is a good way to achieve an altered state of consciousness, yeah. You can also try things like meditation and shamanic drumming/chanting/dancing as well. You'd be surprised.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 10:56 pm        Reply with quote

Mr. Mechanical wrote:
extrabastardformula wrote:
Go for four days with sleep deprivation without getting any natural light. On the last night go outside and wait. use self flagellation to release the endorphins you need to stay away. Scream resh at the top of your lungs as you greet the sunrise and dance until collapse before it has fully cleared the horizon.


Sleep deprivation is a good way to achieve an altered state of consciousness, yeah. You can also try things like meditation and shamanic drumming/chanting/dancing as well. You'd be surprised.


I'll second meditation.

The thing with meditation is that you really got to try not trying. A little bit of peer pressure makes a world of difference so I'd suggest doing it with friends. I'd love to meditate frequently but I resist too much.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:13 pm        Reply with quote

salvia is definitely within reason, but i have yet to meet anybody who actually likes it.
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good lord don't do jimson weed or nightshade

for fuck's sake keep away from the atropine family

just like, i don't know, trust me on this one!!
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Felix wrote:
salvia is definitely within reason, but i have yet to meet anybody who actually likes it.


i've done it about 8 times now and will probably do it again

:(

again though: not suggested, way too intense for a newbie, and even then, it is kind of an ugly thing, transcendental but terrifying, not really enjoyable, i would say it is a bit like meeting the devil

bleh

i prefer beautiful things to ugly things, personally, but i occasionally find myself fixated on something really ugly, like if i see a dead cat on the road, though i always regret staring at it afterwards
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so yeah why is this not in the axe yet? i am new here and rambling about these sorts of things would be a fun ice breaker.

i will stick to stuff that's legal here!

obviousness:

salvia. first time i took it, i had just come back from the beach. this stuff heightens your sensitivity, so i could suddenly feel every single grain of sand still stuck on my body. sweat and needles. geometry and gravity everywhere. didn't help that my friends all turned into trains and flew through the fucking wall.

i've taken it a couple of dozen times since. love the stuff. just never take it after going to the beach, jesus. why are you all adamant that it should be done alone? highlights mostly involve witnessing friends going nuts on it, and i only remember what i do physically thanks to people telling me after. good sitters make you feel safe. and are also hilarious to watch once its their turn. example: friend of mine goes up to the window, opens the curtains, looks outside. "what're you looking at," i ask him. response: staring back at me as if about to face certain death to save a city, he tells me "i have to make sure the world's still out there."

the crazy feeling that you're participating in a cactus/messhof game wears off after five to ten minutes, yeah, but there's still a latent notquiterightness till a fair while later. twenty minutes after she took the stuff, i noticed another friend was staring at the carpet. "what're you looking at," i ask her. response: a finger pointed toward the ground, followed by the words "how do they expect us to get on that bus? it's way too tiny."

in conclusion people on salvia look at things you cannot see.

and music is not necessarily a bad accompaniment. listen to loveless while hiding under a blanket if you insist on going it alone.

in conclusion salvia is a FUN DRUG that will make you meet god and laugh a lot. or it will be terrifying. but it doesn't last long so you'll only have five minutes of existential terror. silent hill speedrun basically. drugs = videogames irl (most of which are survival horror).

ridiculousness:

galangal is pretty much what people use instead of ginger in thailand. supposedly, if you take a lot more than is usually chucked into a stir fry, it gets you good and high. main benefit is that it costs pretty much the same as ginger, so you get multiple trips for a dollar. i ate a whole lot of it. it smelled like pinewood. it tasted like pinewood. it had the texture of pinewood, even. the only effect i noticed was that my face went numb from all the spiciness. apparently there are different varieties and i got the wrong kind. still it only cost a dollar and if you use it right it makes rice tasty as.

i don't know the legal status but i want to see someone on ayahuasca. 30 hours of constant hallucination -- as well as constant vomiting and violent diarrhoea!

cactus is legal up until you put it in your mouth (and even then it's legal, as long as you're willing to make "cactus eater" your religion; fuck yeah, freedom of religion). also i am now talking about cactus as in the green spiky stuff that ruts out of the earth, not the indie game dev dude mentioned above. i do not know if it becomes legal again after you vomit it up. twelve hours of amazing. i thought my friend was both jesus and a stegosaurus. and since i saw jesus while i was on the stuff, i wasn't breaking the law!

so yeah if this is where we're meant to peer pressure you into making your life more interesting: take cactus, kiddo. it's all over ebay and those sortsa places. hell, you can buy them at walmart if you know what you're looking for. tastes like paint thinner, but it's worth it; you might puke, but hey, same goes for booze.

in conclusion AXE PLZ
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Mr. Apol wrote:
good lord don't do jimson weed or nightshade

for fuck's sake keep away from the atropine family

just like, i don't know, trust me on this one!!


Are you speaking from experience? There are some bizzare/hilarious accounts on erowid, such as this one
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He asked me how long the trip lasts... I told him the internet said three days and then I realized how fucked I was.
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kidney wrote:
why are you all adamant that it should be done alone? highlights mostly involve witnessing friends going nuts on it, and i only remember what i do physically thanks to people telling me after. good sitters make you feel safe. and are also hilarious to watch once its their turn. example: friend of mine goes up to the window, opens the curtains, looks outside. "what're you looking at," i ask him. response: staring back at me as if about to face certain death to save a city, he tells me "i have to make sure the world's still out there."


Oh yeah totally. I don't mean ALONE... you should have someone who is at least semi-sober who is keeping an eye and/or ear on you for sure. One of the effects that I noticed cropping up relatively commonly in the many people I have observed trying Salvia is the urge to leave the room and wander around. This is BAD.

The first time this happened, one of my friends decided that he had a earth-shattering revelation: that you could move faster by strafing side-to-side during forward motion. Like in a videogame. He grabbed another guy and explained this to him. They bolted out of the room together, and strafed down the street. They strafed through the library. They strafed all the way across campus, and knocked on the door of a mutual friend, eager to share the news with him. These two then started strafing back, and were halfway back to our house before coming out of it enough to realize how fucking insane this was.

After that incident, the new policy was that anybody who wanted to do Salvia was politely informed that they would absolutely not be allowed to leave the room until it was clear they were coming out of it. This is a good policy.

And you're right, some quiet friends are definitely fun, especially if you all just do it in turns and talk about it after you're out of the thick of it. Half the fun is talking about it afterwards.

What I mean about Salvia is: Don't do it with LOUD people. Don't do it at a party. Don't do it with drunk people around. I'm saying this because everybody I know has gotten as oversensitive to sound and noise as you got to the grains of sand.

But yeah, do it with a friend, or a few friends.

Also: YES AXE PLZ
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If a mod wants to move this, feel free; not like I can.
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ask daphny about the livejournal post she made on dramamine
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Iggy Poop wrote:
Yeah isn't huffing helium pretty much the same as not breathing at all?

Exactly. You may as well go back to playing Space Monkey!

Having lived a DRUG FREE LIFE yo I'm not the best person to contribute to this thread, but one of my friends said once that salvia (legal in my state) is pretty uninteresting stuff--like, you get mildly crazy hallucinations, but no high.

edit: just read kipple's post. yeah, i guess it can do weird shit to you like that as well.
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we merely use them as a symbol to represent how far into the deeper meaning of things we've gone, i think
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Bot I really don't think the secret of life is going to be found via tripping balls

Maybe you should focus on finding a significant other who can share some of your feelings

I mean flying high is pretty great sometimes but it ain't got no future except flying high some more till you burn out
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i disagree with you actually i have already found several secrets of life from tripping balls
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also nothing has a future in pure excess (neither focusing on finding a significant other or substances) moderated excess is the key to all things
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Smoking low potency salvia and kicking it with a friend is definitely the way to go, I think. Just all talking about life interrupted occasionally by fits of laughter. It gives you such a fresh perspective.
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