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Tulpa
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| Onid, you're SO funny! You should do standup, I bet you could get your own comedy central special! |
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HarveyQ
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| Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:29 am |
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Tulpa, mate, I'm going down to cafe to do some homework and grab a cookie and some tea. Can you babysit the rotunda while I'm gone?
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Onideus_Mad_Hatter
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| Onid, you're SO funny! You should do standup, I bet you could get your own comedy central special! |
Hrmm, someone fixed the width. |
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Onideus_Mad_Hatter
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| Tulpa, mate, I'm going down to cafe to do some homework and grab a cookie and some tea. Can you babysit the rotunda while I'm gone? |
Homework, eh? LOL, how old are you again? |
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From the children's book "Moon Cake":
One of my many projects is to create a kind of online children's library where kids can come and browse through various classics. It's kind of an excuse for me to sort of share my childhood with the children of today.
This is my current list of books for the project:
Mooncake
The Mysterious Tadpole
The Very Hungry Caterpillar Board Book
Where the Wild Things Are
The Grouchy Ladybug
Leo the Late Bloomer
There's a Nightmare in My Closet
Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs
Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day
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The Cat in the Hat series |
holy shit man you keep one-upping yourself how do you do it
can we have the keith moon video on every page |
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HarveyQ
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College, tyke. Maybe some day, you can go too!
Look, Tulp, I can't wait around all night for a response. If I come back and the little scamp's burned the house down it'll be your head, eh?
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| lololol it's funny because mcfatter doesn't know what work is! |
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College, tyke. Maybe some day, you can go too!
Look, Tulp, I can't wait around all night for a response. If I come back and the little scamp's burned the house down it'll be your head, eh? |
I already went to college, kiddo. I've only got a BA though. |
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GIANT WALLS OF TEXT AND IN DEPTH ANALYSIS TO PROVE TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU THAT YOU HAVE INDEED BEEN
TROLLED.
Hey moron, you gotten an explanation why your aspie fucking brain couldn't read my join date yet?
http://play.typeracer.com/ make a room when you grow some balls fatter.
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Wow, boy you're not angry and pissed off or anything, now are you? LOL Why don't you go find some more material to rip off and try throwing at me, boy I bet *THAT'LL* sure impress me. *nods*
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is there any more damaging piece of invective based word art than "the woman they cast opposite you on reality TV wasn't pretty?" if there is i hope it's never deployed against me!
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Hey man, you're the one who went on the show knowing you were gonna get played...and if you didn't know...wow...that's just sad. I mean, honestly, what the fuck did you think they were going to do? I understand you've got this desperate need to try and be ~famous~ and some shit, but seriously, have a little self fucking respect why don't you.
Improving your art also wouldn't hurt. I mean it's actually kind of sad that I've already surpassed your level of ability in line drawing, considering it's not even my forte. Of course your art doesn't really have much feeling or spirit to it, so I guess even if you did improve, it wouldn't do you much good. You just don't have the talent. You'll never be on the level of like say John Su, or Evana, or Michael Mobius... Astolpho... MonkeySeed... Michel Gagne... Jon Foster... Justin Kaufman... MifMaf... Michael Mobius... NocturnalDevil... Anry... Lots of others really. There's dozens upon dozens of people who are just on fire with drawing talent that you don't have and probably never will...especially now that you've basically thrown your career away with a wife and kid. I guess maybe you realized though that you weren't any good and weren't going to improve.
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Didn't I cover this already? I mean are you just not listening? I'm pretty sure I did like two whole fucking paragraphs about HOOKS and also about what *NOT* to say and how you should *NEVER* say something unless you're fully prepared to have it used against you in an emotion ripping sort of way. Thank whatever God you believe in that this isn't a group I have interest in trolling...otherwise I'd be saying some *REAL* nasty, mean things right about now.
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I doubt you type faster than me but that's not what I meant. I'm more interested in why you bother typing at all. You obviously don't like anyone here.
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*snicker* I doubt you type faster than me. Although I have slowed up a little over the years. I can only maintain 100wpm sustained over an hour, I used to throttle around 110 to 115 sustained for over an hour. As for "liking" anyone here I haven't really seen enough of anyone here to formulate an opinion either way. I tend to gravitate towards people who are interesting and creative in one form or another, although I can be pretty picky about what I like. I like that one guy who was able to pass the test, that was impressive.
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Why are you playing stupid on this? The context was what I quoted of you right there, "Art can actually be judged, content aside, on a variety of points. From user interface/navigation control and ease of use, level of intuitive understanding of the interfac" etc.
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*woosh* Right on over yer head. Here, I'll spell it out...when did I ever claim to be some kind of ultimate master of user interface design? Oh, hey, free cl00, I didn't! And certainly I don't believe that I've ever tried to create "the ultimate" user interface. I tend to go more with what *I* like rather than caring much what users will think for my *PERSONAL* sites. And most of my client work is what the *CLIENT* wants. I'll offer suggestions, but they get what they want, regardless of whether it's going to be a poor interface or not. I'll let you know if I ever try creating "the ultimate" user interface, then you can bitch about it all you like...otherwise I just don't really give a shit, to be perfectly blunt.
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Wow, that would have been significantly more than the 15 minutes? This does not dissuade me from my opinion that you are ok but not great at what you do. |
To make the current version it took 15 minutes, probably wouldn't take much more than another 15 to add the functionality you mentioned. It's not as if anything you suggested was terribly complex or has never been done before. Also, "being great" doesn't necessarily mean that *EVERYTHING* you do is absolute perfection...especially when you're someone like me who loves to procrastinate. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. In other words, just because I don't put my all into a particular project doesn't mean I'm not capable of doing so. As I mentioned earlier, I have like sixty bazillion projects on my plate, so I often need to balance my time out...which means sacrificing quality here and there. There's a quote I have...I can't remember it exactly, but it goes something like, 'If you spend all your time striving for absolute perfection...you'll never be able to actually accomplish anything'. You have to find a balance between quality and speed that you're comfortable with.
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| I mean, you said 'give the customer what they want' is why your dog site looked so crappy, right? |
Yeah, magical gold blinding stars were not really my choice...although admittedly a lot of people really like that site. I can understand why too, it's the "blinkie" or "sparkle dogs" mentality. People generally like shiny things, whether they look gaudy or not. It's a personal taste, one that I don't personally subscribe to. My favorite style at the moment is transparencies and semi-transparent overlays. I really like that look. The general masses right now tend to be more into that "Web 2.0" look, which personally just disgusts me on several levels.
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OK, so your laziness is more important to you than actually displaying that you have a solid understanding of UI, or that you care so little about your potential audience that you've set this up as a little test. It's not like a person who sees your flash .sig knows how many banners it's going to flash through, or any idea of how long they'll be waiting.
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So what you're saying is that if a person has a "solid understanding of UI" that they're *ALWAYS* going to create absolute perfect UI on *EVERYTHING* they ever make? No offense, but that really makes you sound like an idiot.
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I mean, what do you "get out of" having that there at all? I'm guessing it's to make people aware of something they might find interesting. What do YOU get out of having it there, that wouldn't be there even more so if it were easy to use?
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Actually, truth be told, I never made the sig for anyone here. When I was setting up my account I noticed that there was a real short character limit for sigs, so then it just sorta popped into my head, "Hey, you could use Flash to get around that." And that was basically my only motivation at the time.
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Exactly. (well, not exactly; if you think a UI isn't meant to invoke some kind of feeling ("this is a trustworthy site", "this is a cool app", etc, or that you can actually get a truly objective place, well, you've got a lot to learn)
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I don't think you read what I wrote very well. I never said that a UI or whatever couldn't invoke feelings or emotions, what I said was that you can't JUDGE something on that criteria because it's personal and subjective. What I said was that the only things you can JUDGE on are those that are objective. Otherwise it's just your opinion.
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But even with what you wrote, your flash sig thing fails, because you're not being empthatic; you're just throwing whatever shit up you find easy to code, there's no evidence that you tried to put yourselves in the shoes of people who aren't you who might want to your sig thing. (That's empathy.)
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Again, I never made it for anyone so much as I made it just to make it. And again it's a bit odd that you're obsessing so much over that sig considering just how little effort I put into it. It's like you're trying to judge an artist by their worst work rather than their best work.
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I was on Usenet from 1994 'til 2003 or 4 or so, and on a few web forums since a few years after. I've built a number of decent online friendships, worked on some interesting collaboration, seen interesting things, had
people to meet up with when I was doing business travel. It doesn't have to be this big weird fight you make it. You take everything with a grain of salt, you sure as hell don't send money, you give people the benefit of the doubt, you build a reputation, you have fun and get and give attention, you don't work to make people feel particularly bad, you have a better life.
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I don't make things into a "big weird fight". Again, I post reflectively. If you start attacking me (as some suddenly have) then I'll start attacking back...that's on them though, not me. I didn't start it, they did. And they can end it any time by simply stopping their attacks. The only people I try to "make feel bad" are people who deserve it. In that case I mentioned earlier, with the guy who fell in love with one of my puppets...that was the guy who hacked into and defaced the front of the Nambla website with my pictures. As I always tell people...don't start nothin, won't be nothin. I don't *EVER* attack outright, you have to throw the first verbal punch. Of course some groups, like PoE, have a real hard time with that concept and they like to try and put all the blame on me, claiming I'm the one who is hostile rather than owning up to their own hostility and the fact that *THEY* engaged on that level with me *FIRST*. I actually started out trying to be friendly in that group, as I do all groups. Granted I can be a bit of an egotistical bastard sometimes (and rightly so for the most part), but that's no excuse to start attacking someone. Attacks of course don't include playful jabs, I'm talking more like what that New IP kid is doing.
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Hey mcfatter I'm just wondering if you're such a spectacular guru of graphical UI design,
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Your words, not mine. I'm somewhat flattered that you think I'm a "spectacular guru of graphical UI design"...I mean I certainly never claimed to be.
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Which "half" are you talking about? Also what's your basis of comparison? Your critique thus far is entirely opinion rooted in a desire to try and attack me, which basically means everything you say is entirely worthless.
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...uh, I don't think I even have *A* site with a brushed metal look, let alone many sites. Most of my sites tend to gravitate towards transparency effects, semi-transparent overlays, occlusion effects and the like.
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That doesn't even make any sense. Flash wasn't even introduced until 1996 and didn't really start becoming an active element on the web until the early 2ks. A lot of the effects that my sites use aren't "Flash" effects at all in fact. Especially the ones on my CB site. Most of those effects were created in Paint Shop Pro and Adobe After Effects and then Flash was merely used to sequence them together. You couldn't reproduce them directly with Flash even if you wanted to. Obviously though you have no idea at all as to what you're even saying and you're just reaching for attacks here, desperate to try and "get back" at me for one reason or another. It's pretty pathetic really.
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The other half of course look like that terrible dog breeding site that would fit with the internet as it was in Netscape Navigator's time.
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Boy that's ironic...I mean considering that's when the site was created. LOL That site is actually one of, if not the oldest site I still have up...unless you count the two old sites I put in the test platform directory, my old Lego site and the "Insanity Now" site...the later of which is the most often requested for a redesign/rebuild...at least by people on Usenet. Especially the "maze" portion of the site, people really like that for some reason:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/old_insanity_now_site/
(keep in mind that site doesn't really work so good outside of an 800x600 resolution and Internet Explorer)
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And how many STDs do you have now? Er, well you might be a virgin, so I guess maybe it's not something you've put much thought into.
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jesus, can someone fill me in on what has happened in like, the past 20 pages or so :(
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Everything happened. And not necessarily in that order.
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Some douchebag everyone on the known Internet hates
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Hey man, don't talk about your mom like that, that's just not right.
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Hey child, you tried attacking me first, don't be all pissy, butthurt and running to mommy moderator just because things didn't go your way. You should have kept your idiot mouth shut if you couldn't stand the heat you tried throwin off. Don't be blaming me for the way that *YOU* started acting in the first place. You get what what you give when it comes to my posting.
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and he's posting in this thread and this thread alone, and he's threatening to post in other threads if it gets locked or make other accounts if he gets banned.
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When did that ever happen? Yeesh, the dribbling idiots are so sad, it's like they try and start shit with me, then they get ~lightly~ bitch slapped across their idiot faces and now they're all makin shit up to try and convince mommy moderator to make that mean 'ol Internets man go away. *snicker* It's pretty pathetic.
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And people keep trying to talk to the thing for some reason instead of just letting him blabber endlessly to himself like we should be doing (and I'm as guilty as anyone else of this).
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What this dipshit has failed to realize though is that quite a few of the people talking to me aren't trying to get into an Internets fight with me and therefore don't have any reason to try and ignore me and stick their fingers into their ears yelling, "LA LA LA LA LA LA" like some kind of a retarded six year old. You chose to be attackful with me and you're getting right back exactly what you gave. I post REFLECTIVELY, so you really have no excuse at all.
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So basically select button got infected by a living computer virus and we have no idea how the hell to get rid of him. Any ideas?
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I would start by convincing that man whose holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read and reply to my posts to stop. *nods*
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(Fatter, I'm not even reading what you're saying anymore and I doubt anyone else is either so you might want to keep your inevitable "comeback" to yourself, here.)
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Wow, this kid certainly is high on himself. *snicker* As if I make my posts for Hatter Addicts and dipshits. Right now he's merely providing himself as a convenient canvas for my invective word art, which certainly isn't for him nor any other hateful little spite filled bitch.
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The guy is a moron I doubt he even knows how to use a proxy.
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LOL, apparently this kid somehow thinks it's some incredibly complicated thing to use a proxy. Obviously he doesn't even know what a proxy is. ^__^
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doing pretty good. it was kind of a dick move for anyone to kick bob out of gdc though. looking forawrd to something rawksome
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Not really...unless you have the mentality of a 12 year old. Bob is ~highly~ unstable and given his recent rejection letter the likelihood of him going all Columbine or at the very least making some huge, embarrassing scene is pretty much *GOING* to happen unless he's not allowed in the building. Personally, I hope he does show up...with guns...and I hope he shoots you first, right along with anyone else who thinks having Bob at the GDC is a good idea.
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select button minimum requirements:
2.8 ghz dual core cpu or better
4 gb ram
directx 10 gpu
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I'm way over that. I have an MSI E7505 dual Xeon motherboard, currently running with two 2.4Ghz Xeon processors, six 500gig 7200rpm HDs (two are mobile rack removable), DVD burner, 8 gigs of Infineon ECC registered memory and a Radeon AIW 9600 video capture card. |
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| LOL, I musta struck a nerve with that last post. That little girl on the rag sure is pissy. It looks like she's throwing a tantrum now. ^__^ |
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Tulpa
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So you spend the change you make at walmart on upgrading your computer and a 4000 dollar hat.
By the way how's being an ignorant misogynist hick working out for you? |
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| *woosh* Right on over yer head. Here, I'll spell it out...when did I ever claim to be some kind of ultimate master of user interface design? Oh, hey, free cl00, I didn't! And certainly I don't believe that I've ever tried to create "the ultimate" user interface. |
Alright, perhaps I've been mixing up your description on ED with what I've actually seen you say. Still, you were certainly pontificating a bit on art and UI design; I was kind of hoping you'd practice what you preach.
And all that said, I'd say the work of yours I've seen, off of backwater and a few links from playing "flash sig roulette", is a mixed bag, quality wise.
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| To make the current version it took 15 minutes, probably wouldn't take much more than another 15 to add the functionality you mentioned. It's not as if anything you suggested was terribly complex or has never been done before. Also, "being great" doesn't necessarily mean that *EVERYTHING* you do is absolute perfection... |
I know, what I mentioned wasn't meant to be terribly complex or orginal... I thought it was "obvious", actually, and given the self-promotional nature of your file, I thought you would want to put your best foot forward.
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Oh? Just wondering (and, despite all the noise here, trying to have a conversation) what's so bad about the 2.0 look? I kind of like its minimalism.
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| So what you're saying is that if a person has a "solid understanding of UI" that they're *ALWAYS* going to create absolute perfect UI on *EVERYTHING* they ever make? No offense, but that really makes you sound like an idiot. |
No, I've slapped together a few interfaces in my time, but mostly for stuff that only I use. For stuff I expose to the public and especially that have a "promotional" aspect, I take more care.
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| I mean, what do you "get out of" having that there at all? I'm guessing it's to make people aware of something they might find interesting. What do YOU get out of having it there, that wouldn't be there even more so if it were easy to use? |
Actually, truth be told, I never made the sig for anyone here. When I was setting up my account I noticed that there was a real short character limit for sigs, so then it just sorta popped into my head, "Hey, you could use Flash to get around that." And that was basically my only motivation at the time. |
Yeah, but even if it wasn't handcrafted for this place, you took the 15 minutes at some point, presumably for a use not unlike this.
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| I don't think you read what I wrote very well. I never said that a UI or whatever couldn't invoke feelings or emotions, what I said was that you can't JUDGE something on that criteria because it's personal and subjective. What I said was that the only things you can JUDGE on are those that are objective. Otherwise it's just your opinion. |
I don't think you wrote very well. You wrote
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| User interface design has nothing to do with empathy nor any other emotional state. You completely missed the entire fucking point of what I even wrote if you think it does. The whole point is judging art on *NON* emotional, *NON* personal, *NON* opinionated points. |
You seem to be talking about UI design, bringing up the judging as kind of a secondary thing.
And I think I gave a pretty good, fairly objective opinion about a basic and obvious functionality banner slideshows should have.
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| Again, I never made it for anyone so much as I made it just to make it. And again it's a bit odd that you're obsessing so much over that sig considering just how little effort I put into it. It's like you're trying to judge an artist by their worst work rather than their best work. |
It just seemed obvious, because it's here, and it's a sig and a self-promoting one.
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| I don't make things into a "big weird fight". Again, I post reflectively. If you start attacking me (as some suddenly have) then I'll start attacking back...that's on them though, not me. I didn't start it, they did. And they can end it any time by simply stopping their attacks. The only people I try to "make feel bad" are people who deserve it. In that case I mentioned earlier, with the guy who fell in love with one of my puppets...that was the guy who hacked into and defaced the front of the Nambla website with my pictures. As I always tell people...don't start nothin, won't be nothin. I don't *EVER* attack outright, you have to throw the first verbal punch. Of course some groups, like PoE, have a real hard time with that concept and they like to try and put all the blame on me, claiming I'm the one who is hostile rather than owning up to their own hostility and the fact that *THEY* engaged on that level with me *FIRST*. I actually started out trying to be friendly in that group, as I do all groups. Granted I can be a bit of an egotistical bastard sometimes (and rightly so for the most part), but that's no excuse to start attacking someone. Attacks of course don't include playful jabs, I'm talking more like what that New IP kid is doing. |
Well, like the demotivators poster says: the one thing all your disfunctional relationships have in common is You. You don't have to be so reflexive and magnifying, and your life might be better without it.
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| So you spend the change you make at walmart |
Actually, in this area, I make more working at Wal*Mart than I would as a graphic designer. Most graphic designers in this area only make around $12 to $14 dollars an hour and I make $15 an hour at Wal*Mart as an inventory control specialist (I'm the guy who does the ordering, organizing, setting up new mods and the like).
Wal*Mart of course comes with all sorts of great perks too. Health benefits, stock matching program, hefty profit sharing bonuses, incredibly flexible hours, laid back, easy going management, regular raises, easy promotions, lots of different positions that you can shift around to if you start to get bored. And of course you've got uber job security. I really enjoy working at Wal*Mart, although it's not my only job. I do a lot of free lance web and graphic design oriented work. And locally I do quite a bit of computer repair jobs as well.
And in this area $15 an hour is a *REALLY* good wage...although we keep getting snobbish, yuppie fuck Californians moving here for the wine industry (Walla Walla is like the new Nappa Valley) and they're driving up the housing market. Luckily I got my house about a year ago, three bedroom, two bath for only around ~$80,000 after all the closing costs and such. It was a real good deal, had it fully inspected and the whole works. And the best part is that if the yuppie fucks keep moving up here it'll probably be worth two or three times that much in ten years or so (especially after I fix it up).
Here's some pics of my house, before buying:
I love owning my own home, it's totally freakin awesome. I can do whatever I want and I'm not pissing away money on someone else's mortgage.
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This from the retard who slurps up material off Special ED, with whole articles dedicated to slandering and bashing women and black people. *nods* Hypocrisy...not just a fun word to say slowly and feel yer fat lips jiggle. |
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My mother is dead you bastard D:
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*sigh*
Didn't I cover this already? I mean are you just not listening? I'm pretty sure I did like two whole fucking paragraphs about HOOKS and also about what *NOT* to say and how you should *NEVER* say something unless you're fully prepared to have it used against you in an emotion ripping sort of way. Thank whatever God you believe in that this isn't a group I have interest in trolling...otherwise I'd be saying some *REAL* nasty, mean things right about now. |
He got me with the hook guys ;_; He is a super genius
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My mother is dead you bastard D:
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Didn't I cover this already? I mean are you just not listening? I'm pretty sure I did like two whole fucking paragraphs about HOOKS and also about what *NOT* to say and how you should *NEVER* say something unless you're fully prepared to have it used against you in an emotion ripping sort of way. Thank whatever God you believe in that this isn't a group I have interest in trolling...otherwise I'd be saying some *REAL* nasty, mean things right about now. |
He got me with the hook guys ;_; He is a super genius |
Do you want to talk about your dead mother? I mean, you brought her up and all. Did she die when you were young? Was it a slow, painful death or did she go quick? Was it your fault? I bet you could have done something that would have saved her life...but you didn't, did you? *nods* |
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| Well, like the demotivators poster says: the one thing all your disfunctional relationships have in common is You. You don't have to be so reflexive and magnifying, and your life might be better without it. |
this is pretty much the best part of the thread outside of any actual honest to bob, games discussion.
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Didn't I cover this already? I mean are you just not listening? I'm pretty sure I did like two whole fucking paragraphs about HOOKS and also about what *NOT* to say and how you should *NEVER* say something unless you're fully prepared to have it used against you in an emotion ripping sort of way. Thank whatever God you believe in that this isn't a group I have interest in trolling...otherwise I'd be saying some *REAL* nasty, mean things right about now. |
He got me with the hook guys ;_; He is a super genius |
Do you want to talk about your dead mother? I mean, you brought her up and all. Did she die when you were young? Was it a slow, painful death or did she go quick? Was it your fault? I bet you could have done something that would have saved her life...but you didn't, did you? *nods* |
She died reading your posts :(
Doctors say it was a brain aneurism :3
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First post. Woooooo!
So is this the forum where I talk about how great I am? |
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Onideus_Mad_Hatter
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Alright, perhaps I've been mixing up your description on ED with what I've actually seen you say. Still, you were certainly pontificating a bit on art and UI design; I was kind of hoping you'd practice what you preach.
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I do, on quite a few of my sites. Like nyah:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/the-care-bears/
(although it's not entirely finished, the design and user interface is superb given the audience)
http://www.ironartshop.com
http://www.backwater-productions.net/wwcc/yoga-online/
http://staff.wwcc.edu/steve.shoemake/website/anatomy1/tutorials/movements/index.html
(that one could be reconstructed to take up *WAY* less space, but it was designed to be accessed by students on
campus via the college network, so I didn't have to factor in dial-up connections and therefor didn't bother to waste the time to optimize all the graphics and create a split form out of it)
http://www.backwater-productions.net/wedding/
(a bit dated, they were married a couple years ago so you're not going to see blog entries unless you scroll *WAY* back through)
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/BT_Redesign/
All of those have very good interface design. Granted you could ~always~ argue that they could be better in some respect or another, but I bet I could counter argue any point fairly easily. I don't believe any of them is ~absolute perfection~, I don't believe anyone has ever designed such an interface, but they're certainly at a professional level.
I'm also working on a lot of cutting edge user interface designs and doing a lot of experimental type work. Such as my Flash based web board and Flash Windows concept sites:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/Forum_Template/
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/forum_entry_load/
This is really cool:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/liquid/
It's what I call a "perfect liquid design" and I'm the only one to have ever made such a design (mostly because it's so incredibly complex). Try resizing your browser window and see what happens. The entire site will readapt itself to any browser resolution, resizing images on the fly using bilinear and bicubic resampling (done via PHP) and then once resized all the image and content material will be re-positioned as needed (via javascript). It also uses a coding methodology called "God Level" coding where the entire site is broken apart into variables and arrays which can then be meshed together in any number of combinations. Basically the site can rewrite its own code as needed, essentially representing an infinite number of sites within a single site.
The code form is called "God Level" not to imply perfection (as if God were perfect anyway) but to imply CREATIONISM. Basically it's like creating a living site that reacts and changes based on user interaction.
Sadly most developers can't really appreciate the code form because they're simply not at a level where they can even understand what it is they're looking at:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/liquid/JS_Source.txt
This form goes *WAY* beyond the professional level. The form was actually co-developed by me and several other top level site designers. We all came up with the concepts, made up some early prototype examples and then I created a full proof of concept site to show it off.
There are a ~couple~ ways it could possibly be improved, such as including server side image caching.
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And all that said, I'd say the work of yours I've seen, off of backwater and a few links from playing "flash sig roulette", is a mixed bag, quality wise.
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Well all of my sites weren't created all at once and many of them are being continually redesigned throughout the years. This reflects my level of skill, learning and ability. For example this was the Care Bear site circa 2005:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/carebears/
And this redesign represents my level of skill at present:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/the-care-bears/
Needless to say, I learn ~very~ quickly and my abilities and skills continually increase at a near exponential pace, in a whole variety of areas.
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I know, what I mentioned wasn't meant to be terribly complex or orginal... I thought it was "obvious", actually, and given the self-promotional nature of your file, I thought you would want to put your best foot forward.
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I have plenty of other examples that represent my "best foot", so there's hardly any reason to obsess over some Flash sig that I'm only using in this one group and likely won't use anywhere else.
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Oh? Just wondering (and, despite all the noise here, trying to have a conversation)
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I believe it's because of the weekend, all the kiddies are out of school. Things should quiet down on Monday when the adults come back (who often post from work and don't post much on the weekends).
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what's so bad about the 2.0 look? I kind of like its minimalism.
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Well the problem with it is that it's often overly abused in a variety of different ways:
It's sort of like molesting default filter effects in PhotoShop or whatever. Slapping up lens flares left and right just because you think they look ~pretty~ and ~sparkly~ but without any other coherent reason. It's like they learn a new graphic design trick and then they just gonna throw it all over *EVERYTHING* which just makes the site look like ass.
Granted there are some good sites that use the look well, but there are *FAR* more bad ones than good ones. I made this a mock site, poking fun at the typical Web2.0 stereotype:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/mocking.html
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And I think I gave a pretty good, fairly objective opinion about a basic and obvious functionality banner slideshows should have.
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Maybe. The only thing that I think it ~really~ needs is to stop cycling on mouse over. Anything beyond that and you're kind of just making it frilly and foofa, where as I generally try and keep things minimalist if I can. Again though, the whole point is pretty nit-picky. You remind me of the regs in ADG who started nit-picking about minute, single pixel level alignment issues. I guess though, given the professionalism of most of my work it becomes pretty hard to find things to critique on. Unless you're just going to make stuff up and go for the outright opinionated attack, like Tulpa tried to do before she broke down into a full blown, foot stomping, pants wetting, screaming in giant text whilst crying her eyes out tantrum.
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It just seemed obvious, because it's here, and it's a sig and a self-promoting one.
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It's still pretty nit-picky, regardless. It would be like me claiming that your sig represents your total talent as far as graphic design and then haranguing you over it post after post after post.
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Well, like the demotivators poster says: the one thing all your disfunctional relationships have in common is You. You don't have to be so reflexive and magnifying, and your life might be better without it.
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But you're forgetting, unlike my attackers, I actually *ENJOY* it, as I see them as canvases for my invective word art, rather than actually taking them and their "attacks" seriously on any level. Of course because they take it so seriously and because I essentially just laugh them off, it just aggravates them that much more, so the magnification isn't always a direct intention of mine so much as a natural product of their own shortcomings. |
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Onideus_Mad_Hatter
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First post. Woooooo!
So is this the forum where I talk about how great I am? |
Yup. Please include samples/links of anything "great" you've manage to do. Websites, art, heck we'll even take some bad poetry if ya got it.
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| Hatter, what's it like being on the same level as most adolescents with regard to maturity and intelligence? |
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Onideus_Mad_Hatter
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| Hatter, what's it like being on the same level as most adolescents with regard to maturity and intelligence? |
Why don't you go ask Tulpa and the other kiddies...just as soon as they get done throwing their tantrums and stop screaming in giant text at the top of their little lungs. I guess though that's more the intelligence and maturity of a three year old, so if I'm posting at an adolescent level that still puts me quite a bit higher than you and your fit throwing kiddie friends, huh?
*nods*
Really, the only thing that makes any of my posts even remotely adolescent is the fact that I'm essentially teasing *CHILDREN* for shits and giggles. ^__^ |
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extrabastardformula
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| Really, the only thing that makes any of my posts even remotely adolescent is the fact that I'm essentially teasing *CHILDREN* for shits and giggles. ^__^ |
Really that's the exact thing that you say gets you so upset about poe users. So why not just stop being a hypocritical douchebag and stop shitting up this place? Trolling is not masterful manipulative behavior because it involves the easiest responses to evoke from people. And being deliberately unlikeable so you never have to take a chance on people getting to know you is a kind of sad adolescent defense mechanism.
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Onid is so smart though, extrabastardformula, I mean his code is ABOVE professional, especially his yoga page. I mean I didn't know that I had flash player 0 installed, instead of flash player 10, that's a real shock and I thank him for letting me learn this through his brilliant site.
And there's nothing as smart as using flash for everything, I mean holy shit that's badass. Nothing's as usable as Flash with text that cannot be highlighted. I can see why his web design work is ubiquitous on the interernet!
By the way that is such a charming description of me I think I should put it in my signature. |
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Is it? I dunno, the "flash app floating in the middle of black" is idosyncratic. It doesn't make good use of browser space. It disables the browser's navigation, it doesn't work on iPhones and other devices. Now web design conventions aren't unbreakable, but there is this idea that most pages of a site will have the name of the site at the top left, and clicking on that will bring you back to the front page. I'd argue that those tiny little "back" buttons are not an adequate replacement. And your scrollbars lack enough indicators to show that they're scrollbars, they're just nubs. I guess it kind of looks like the subject,esp. the title screen.
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In firefox, the scrollbars have the opposite problem; they're very windows looking, which would be ok, IF they weren't embedded inside the Western poster looking bit.
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This looks like a power point (at least it has back and fotward arrows ;-) and those animated figures are the scariest thing I've seen in all of yoga land.
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http://www.backwater-productions.net/wedding/
(a bit dated, they were married a couple years ago so you're not going to see blog entries unless you scroll *WAY* back through) |
... so that's weird too, right? to have navigation tied to the calendar only. It's idiosyncratic (rather than a more typical "show entries in reverse chronological list") and now it's broken... usually a calendar is just an additional navigation.
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Of all of these, this is the best - makes good use of the space, looks pretty sharp, and has pretty straightforward navigation despite being nifty..
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| All of those have very good interface design. Granted you could ~always~ argue that they could be better in some respect or another, but I bet I could counter argue any point fairly easily. I don't believe any of them is ~absolute perfection~, I don't believe anyone has ever designed such an interface, but they're certainly at a professional level. |
I don't think I'm nitpicking about some respect or other... most of these have fundamental navigation or visual issues. And most all of them except "BT" ... I dunno, I'm not as good at putting visual things into words as I am explaining UI issues, but they feel off, I think "professional" would be pushing it.
Sorry to be dense, but what's cutting edge and experimental there? A draggable window? Changing colors? Or did I just not click on the right bit?
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This is really cool:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_test_platform/liquid/
It's what I call a "perfect liquid design" and I'm the only one to have ever made such a design (mostly because it's so incredibly complex). Try resizing your browser window and see what happens. The entire site will readapt itself to any browser resolution, resizing images on the fly using bilinear and bicubic resampling (done via PHP) and then once resized all the image and content material will be re-positioned as needed (via javascript). |
It's just (slowly) scaling , and fractionally repositioning?
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It also uses a coding methodology called "God Level" coding where the entire site is broken apart into variables and arrays which can then be meshed together in any number of combinations. Basically the site can rewrite its own code as needed, essentially representing an infinite number of sites within a single site.
The code form is called "God Level" not to imply perfection (as if God were perfect anyway) but to imply CREATIONISM. Basically it's like creating a living site that reacts and changes based on user interaction. |
Could you give some of the use cases for that? It sounds coolish, but it's hard to know what it would be useful for. Except for slowly scaling.
I think I understand what I'm looking at code wise; what's it good for?
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This form goes *WAY* beyond the professional level. The form was actually co-developed by me and several other top level site designers. We all came up with the concepts, made up some early prototype examples and then I created a full proof of concept site to show it off.
There are a ~couple~ ways it could possibly be improved, such as including server side image caching. |
But if it's just scaling... it doesn't seem that much better than scrolling? And the trend seems to be for stuff like iPhone and Firefox 3, it scales on the client side as needed, and it's a lot more effecient....
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Well the problem with it is that it's often overly abused in a variety of different ways:
It's sort of like molesting default filter effects in PhotoShop or whatever. Slapping up lens flares left and right just because you think they look ~pretty~ and ~sparkly~ but without any other coherent reason. It's like they learn a new graphic design trick and then they just gonna throw it all over *EVERYTHING* which just makes the site look like ass.
Granted there are some good sites that use the look well, but there are *FAR* more bad ones than good ones. I made this a mock site, poking fun at the typical Web2.0 stereotype:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/mocking.html
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....that doesn't look like a parody of what most people mean by Web 2.0.... the previous image did, but web 2.0's look is those arial fonts, white backgrounds, and minimal UI widgetry or coloring....
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I pickde on the sig 'cause it was the main thing that was here. But it wasn't subtle pixel thing... I think assuming people are happy to wait for an automatic slideshow of indeterminate length to loop around is just a bad UI.
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No, that's not what I'm aiming for here. I'm trying to give sympathetic, real, non-nit-picky critique. I admit when your work looks good - the BT site - and I think that's a lot less often than you're saying.
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Well, like the demotivators poster says: the one thing all your disfunctional relationships have in common is You. You don't have to be so reflexive and magnifying, and your life might be better without it.
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But you're forgetting, unlike my attackers, I actually *ENJOY* it, as I see them as canvases for my invective word art, rather than actually taking them and their "attacks" seriously on any level. Of course because they take it so seriously and because I essentially just laugh them off, it just aggravates them that much more, so the magnification isn't always a direct intention of mine so much as a natural product of their own shortcomings. |
See, so basically you're saying, you LIKE this kind of confrontation. Lots of people, interesting people doing interesting things, get along fine on a host of forums, and manage to blow off the few griefers that show up. But you revel in it, and it follows you around, and when you show up some place new, people see you as part of that kind of attacking dumb culture that they don't neccesarily like, and a kind of cycle continues. But I don't think it has to be this way.
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