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Sushi K
Joined: 08 Dec 2007
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GEB forever, I read it when I was 14, my teachers already thought I was weird until they saw that book.
I still need to read I am a Strange Loop though, I have a copy, just, eh...
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Vikram Ray
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:56 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
| I will probably never read Joyce. Maybe I'll get something good when I read Gravity's Rainbow though. |
yeah and I'll probably never read shakespeare. |
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dark steve
secretary of good times
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: long live the new flesh
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:21 pm |
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read books you fucking jerks
Also, the term you're looking for, for 'metafiction,' is self-reflexive fiction. You can't just string 'meta-' together with anything and mean anything, jeez. |
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Toups
tyranically banal
Joined: 03 Dec 2006
Location: Ebon Keep
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:24 pm |
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| dark steve wrote: |
read books you fucking jerks
Also, the term you're looking for, for 'metafiction,' is self-reflexive fiction. You can't just string 'meta-' together with anything and mean anything, jeez. |
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Felix
unofficial repository
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: vancouver
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:31 pm |
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| paul auster, but i kind of hate paul auster. because he makes me unimaginably frustrated with myself. |
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Broseph Stalin
turn-based god
Joined: 26 May 2008
Location: SUCK MY DICK WOO WOO IM THE RAWEST RAPPER ALIVE!!!!
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 7:33 pm |
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| Sushi K wrote: |
GEB forever, I read it when I was 14, my teachers already thought I was weird until they saw that book.
I still need to read I am a Strange Loop though, I have a copy, just, eh... |
I am a Strange Loop is a lot less annoying. Which, for Hoftstadter, means that it's still really really annoying. |
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internisus
shafer sephiroth
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 8:02 pm |
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| Broseph Stalin wrote: |
| Sushi K wrote: |
GEB forever, I read it when I was 14, my teachers already thought I was weird until they saw that book.
I still need to read I am a Strange Loop though, I have a copy, just, eh... |
I am a Strange Loop is a lot less annoying. Which, for Hoftstadter, means that it's still really really annoying. |
hey fuck you guy |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:10 pm |
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| dark steve wrote: |
| read books you fucking jerks |
This, for fuck's sake.
But still play Marathon, especially if you're the kind to consistently whine about games not living up to their potential. You're not playing the right games!
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CubaLibre
the road lawyer
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Balmer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:19 pm |
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by the way guys when he says Marathon he means Infinity
he never makes that clear but it's pretty important to his point
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Adilegian
Rogue Scholar
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: Q*Bert Killscreen Nightmare
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:22 pm |
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There's also that bit in Hamlet where Hamlet puts on a play for Claudius that's a restaging of Hamlet.
That still makes me wonder why self-reflexivity is supposed to be exclusively post-modern.
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scratchmonkey
Final Finasty
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:24 pm |
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| Not to mention The Tempest, which is even more up-front about the self-reflexiveness. |
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negativedge
banned
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:34 pm |
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| You heard it here first, kids: Marathon is the Ulysses of video games. |
Sure, why not? |
Having never read Ulysses or played the meat of the Marathon series, I'm going to say no. Though I know where you're coming from. |
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CubaLibre
the road lawyer
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Balmer
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:36 pm |
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| Vehicular Manslaughter wrote: |
| Not to mention The Tempest, which is even more up-front about the self-reflexiveness. |
Yeah, characters address the audience directly all the time in Shakespeare.
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scratchmonkey
Final Finasty
Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:39 pm |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| Vehicular Manslaughter wrote: |
| Not to mention The Tempest, which is even more up-front about the self-reflexiveness. |
Yeah, characters address the audience directly all the time in Shakespeare. |
Well more than that, the premise/plot of the play is that the Creator (Prospero) is directing the Players through a Drama of his devising for the general entertainment of all. Shakespeare does love a good 4th wall break, this is more of a self-contained structure a la Hamlet, only on a much larger scale.
Also spoilarz, lulz. |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 11:24 pm |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
by the way guys when he says Marathon he means Infinity
he never makes that clear but it's pretty important to his point |
Yeah, but playing Infinity immediately is kind of like reading Titus Alone without the having read Titus Groan or Gormenghast previously.
I mean it as the series, essentially.
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| Dracko wrote: |
| negativedge wrote: |
| You heard it here first, kids: Marathon is the Ulysses of video games. |
Sure, why not? |
Having never read Ulysses or played the meat of the Marathon series, I'm going to say no. Though I know where you're coming from. |
P.S. I never made any comparison of the sort and honestly couldn't care less to.
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Gouki
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Australia.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 6:45 am |
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That episode of Avatar. With the play.
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:37 pm |
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In that case, Gene Wolfe's Book of the New Sun applies too. And Samuel Beckett and Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead.
Also: 
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
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internisus
shafer sephiroth
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 2:02 am |
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| Dracko wrote: |
| http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LiteraryAgentHypothesis |
What about the Homeworld historical and technical briefing? |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:41 am |
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Oh, also check W.G. Sebald.
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