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klez



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 1:50 am        Reply with quote

Deets wrote:
dmauro wrote:
klez wrote:
Then just find a weight holder to open up the ruins.

(I thought maybe they were hams)?

Man, that's awesome. HAMS. I'm just going to refer to the weights as such from now on.


HAMS. The food of la-mulana. You can buy them pack of 5 for 20 coins everywhere in the ruins! Discover the secret of la-mulana with ham power!
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Max Cola



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:01 am        Reply with quote

I briefly thought that they were cans of soda... go environmental conservation?
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Toups
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:47 am        Reply with quote

My strategy for the stone giant:

Stay in the bottom right corner of the screen at all times and jump over his blasts. At first his general pattern is that he'll shoot 3 fireballs before moving, shoot another 3, and then stretch his arm out. So after every 2 sets of fire, climb your way almost all the way to the top of the ladder (so you're still protected from falling rocks) and then just as he stops, climb all the way up, and the moment you see his arm outstretch leap across. If he's close you can usually score 3 hits on him, sometimes 4, but sometimes you can only get 2. As he takes more damage he'll change his pattern up a bit but this general strategy works. It's still a hard as fuck battle but when you finally beat him it feels really great.

How many life jewels have you found? I'd recommend at least 2, but 3 is preferable.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:55 am        Reply with quote

I've only found 2 life jewels, but I beat the battle so it's cool.
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Toups
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:59 am        Reply with quote

Well would you mind telling me where the heck the helmet is then? D:
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klez



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:19 am        Reply with quote

Mister Toups wrote:
Well would you mind telling me where the heck the helmet is then? D:


Map after the giant map. (On the right)


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:17 am        Reply with quote

Just dropping in to provide a handy guide to spoilers:
Code:
[color=#212121]use this for grey backgrounds[/color]

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[color=black]use this for black backgrounds[/color]

It just occurs to me that there are probably some new people in here who do not know the hex number for the other background color. There's no reason anyone should know it, really. But alas, now you all do.

I probably won't ever be able to spend any amount of time with La Mulana.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 8:33 am        Reply with quote

Also: The background color for quoted text is #636363.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 2:51 pm        Reply with quote

Postin to say how much I hate the fucking bats. But thanks to that hate I solved by accident a puzzle. The "walk between the angels" one.

La Mulana is truly a test of endurance.
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Deets



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 7:35 pm        Reply with quote

Clueless Gamer wrote:

La Mulana is truly a test of endurance.

You have no idea. I mean, you seriously don't, if you're still in the Guidance Gate.

Speaking of which I need some pointers, klez/mauve: I'm in the Twin Labyrinths, and feel as if I'm at the verge of solving several puzzles on my own, but at the same time I'm really at a loss. I already found the ankh jewel, but there's a twin gate that I can't reach on either side near the top of the map. It seems like I should be able to get down there from somewhere else, but all of the usual stuff hasn't worked. There's also a block puzzle which I can't solve because I need a weapon that I don't have to break a wall open. It's in a room with a shop in the top right corner.
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klez



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:18 pm        Reply with quote

Deets wrote:
From above


I thought the ankh jewel is the hardest thing to figure out in that rield, good job.

As for other things, some in-game help: "Interfere in the love of the two love beasts, the two beasts that faces each other" from one tablet and on another tablet "bright light ***ruputs love...". That should helpe opening some of the map. Also that block puzzle is just to confuse you, you can just jump to that shop IF you can jump higher.

If you need spoiler: bright light=flare, more spoiler:two love beasts=two dinosaur facing each other.

Anyone thinks a simple walkthough would help? like just pointing the clues (such as important tablets) and directions.
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Toups
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2007 9:19 pm        Reply with quote

klez wrote:
Anyone thinks a simple walkthough would help? like just pointing the clues (such as important tablets) and directions.


Yeah, that would be great.

Maybe... make a wiki?
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Swimmy



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:56 am        Reply with quote

To be honest, I'm using the guide that's already online, internet-translated into english. It gives me a few more hints than the game's tablets, but is still obscure enough to keep the puzzles complex.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 5:47 am        Reply with quote

Shit. This game is awesome. The bats are driving me crazy, but other than that I'm having a blast in the Guidance Gate. I managed to get the grail which is making my life so much easier. And I found the boss room, but I don't have the thing you offer up to the ankh yet. I saved up enough for the glyph reader, which hasn't helped me out any more than the tales the dead men offer, but I imagine it'll prove itself indespensible eventually.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 8:17 am        Reply with quote

klez wrote:

If you need spoiler:

Ok, that solved it. I just didn't think to use the flare gun.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 2:42 pm        Reply with quote

Defeating the guardian of the Guidance Gate gives you something? I've beaten another guardian and got a new item. But after beating the Guidance Gate's boss I don't know what have changed.

Also. Any hint about an easy to pick life jewel? Because I'm still playing with just one.

Making progress in this game make me feel great. It's a good feeling of reward after all the almost (but never) frustrating parts.
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klez



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 7:43 pm        Reply with quote

Defeating guardian don't always give you things (it usually doesn't give you things), they do almost always opens up doorways and new paths though.

The life jewel in Giant's Mausoleum is around the two giants, and the life jewel in the sun's temple is related to two bats.

And if bats are driving you crazy, get used to the whip delay. Late game there're things MUCH more annoy than these small bats (they're still annoying, theses bats, mind you). Remember the whip whips BACK too and that can hit things too.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:05 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah the bats drove me nuts until I realized that you do damage in the spot above your head the instant you press the whip button. This combined with a healthy supply of shurikens minimizes how threatening/annoying they are.

Though they're still pretty annoying!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:17 pm        Reply with quote

The "overhead attack" with the whip is very useful indeed. And not only to kill bats. If there is an enemy in a platform over you, you can jump and attack when your head hit the platform. The first frame of the attack will hurt the enemy above! It's an awesome way to deal with small crawling enemies, like the green snake thing.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:31 pm        Reply with quote

Bats are pretty much annoying forever. It doesn't matter what weapons you have when they blend into the background/water and are placed directly on places where you are likely to jump. This doesn't happen very often, but just enough to remind you that they're out there.

Also klez when the hell does the lamp of time recharge? I was terrified of saving my game in case I totally used up the one use I had of it ever and was screwed for life, as unlikely as that seemed.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:38 pm        Reply with quote

Deets wrote:
Question about the item


A damn LONG time, like 5 minutes? That doesn't seem long but when you're using it to solve puzzles it'll seem like it takes a long time. Oh and you can use it on most mini boss too (there's one miniboss that you WILL want to use it). If you have a rom combination it'll be faster but not THAT faster; I doubt you'll have the roms though. And yea bats blend into background = annoying knock back.
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mauve



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 4:16 am        Reply with quote

Whenever I want to recharge that thing, I just hop back to start, save, and restart the game. It's pretty bad when hiking all the way back to where you were is faster than waiting around for it. There was one particular 'puzzle' in the Dimensional Corridor that caused me a large number of headaches related to that.

I hate the bats with a passion. Especially their upgraded form. If there is anything this game needed, it was an item that causes any bats that come within a 30 pixel radius of you to spontaneously combust. Sorta like the Anti-Cliff Racer Belt of Morrowind.

I haven't played it for a few days. I made it to the endgame then just kinda lost interest in getting any further. (Plus I've been a bit busy as of late as it is, which isn't helping!) Going to need to get back to it soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:37 am        Reply with quote

[I just got the Bronze Mirror, and have been exploring several fields at once, and coming to a massive heap of dead ends. I don't seem to be able to make any meaningful progress in the Temple of the Moonlight, the Graveyard of the Giants, the Inferno Cavern, the Twin Labyrinths, the Eternal Corridor... the list goes on and on. I'm at a loss to where I'm supposed to be going or what I'm supposed to be doing. What are some items I should be able to get right now? Where the hell are they? Where should I be tackling next?]

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:21 am        Reply with quote

professor_scissors wrote:
From aboveI just got the Bronze Mirror, and have been exploring several fields at once, and coming to a massive heap of dead ends. I don't seem to be able to make any meaningful progress in the Temple of the Moonlight, the Graveyard of the Giants, the Inferno Cavern, the Twin Labyrinths, the Eternal Corridor... the list goes on and on. I'm at a loss to where I'm supposed to be going or what I'm supposed to be doing. What are some items I should be able to get right now? Where the hell are they? Where should I be tackling next?


I hope this is vague though to not spoil too many things, while helping you progress. I'll still cover it though:
Edit: I always get the wrong color, my stupid monitor! T_T
The next BIG thing to collect is for eternal corridor, from confusion gate which you can reach from moon temple. Best if you defect the guardian in spring in the sky, but it's not needed (for now). There're several items of interest that will make your life easier before you go to confusion gate: three new items in inferno cavern (you need to get the 2nd seal to open the way for one of the item though, and you need to figure out how not to take damage from the lava too), two items in moon temple, one of those will help you get though inferno cavern, the other will lead you to something to help you jump.

Important, REALLY important: Also, remember the tablet from the sun's temple about "the three women" (hope you've reach and scan that tablet) when you're in moon's temple.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 8:45 am        Reply with quote

[I cannot defeat the guardian of the Spring in the Sky, because I don't have the seal for it.
I can't get to the Confusion Gate because I can't figure out how to reach the upper half of the Temple of the Moonlight.
I got the Flare Gun, but the other two items in the Inferno Cavern are beyond my reach. One because it seems to be behind a solid stone wall, and the other because I can't go into lava. I can't get to the Ice Cape for aforementioned reasons.
And yes, I've been spoiling myself a bit with a website that has maps and item locations for every world, but I'm still getting stuck. How sad is that?
]
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 9:01 am        Reply with quote

professor_scissors wrote:
[ cannot defeat the guardian of the Spring in the Sky, because I don't have the seal for it.
I can't get to the Confusion Gate because I can't figure out how to reach the upper half of the Temple of the Moonlight.
I got the Flare Gun, but the other two items in the Inferno Cavern are beyond my reach. One because it seems to be behind a solid stone wall, and the other because I can't go into lava. I can't get to the Ice Cape for aforementioned reasons.
And yes, I've been spoiling myself a bit with a website that has maps and item locations for every world, but I'm still getting stuck. How sad is that?
]


You SHOULD be fine if you're using that guide...that just basically a walkthough (I finish the game before translation w/ that so I'm sure you can do it). Now you have a translation it SHOULD be easier to figure out things.

Important: if you can still remember the tablet in sun's temple about "the three women" it'll help a lot in moon's temple. Spring in the sky should not be too hard if you got to the top and get the item there...and the puzzle there is not too hard...The guardian there is no pushover, however. You don't have to get the guardian though...I'm just suggesting this because it'll be easier to get some items if you can defeat the guardian, but you can still get the items if you don't do that...
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 5:12 pm        Reply with quote

[To clarify, I have done everything that needs doing in the Spring, with the exception of actually fighting the boss there (I'm one Seal short for that).
Anyways, I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the three women puzzle. If they're in the Temple of the Sun, then I know where they are, I know what I get for them, and the third woman is completely impossible to reach. If they're in the Temple of the Moonlight, then either I'm completely blind or they're in some area that I can't reach. I SHOULD be fine with that guide, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still completely balls-out stuck, a fact that none of your guidance seems to be able to change. There must be SOMETHING massive and forehead-smacking that I'm not seeing SOMEWHERE, because this is getting ridiculous.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 7:19 pm        Reply with quote

I whipped a wall and I died.

Why the hell would you guys want to use a guide with this game?

I got into a lava world and at about the second screen in, there was this floating rock-thing that was slowly coming after me. I couldn't quite get away from it without just running back to the previous screen and I was just thinking "shit, I should not be in here yet."

I didn't even like Super Metroid so much, but man, this game...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 12:01 am        Reply with quote

professor_scissors wrote:
[To clarify, I have done everything that needs doing in the Spring, with the exception of actually fighting the boss there (I'm one Seal short for that).
Anyways, I have no idea what you're talking about regarding the three women puzzle. If they're in the Temple of the Sun, then I know where they are, I know what I get for them, and the third woman is completely impossible to reach. If they're in the Temple of the Moonlight, then either I'm completely blind or they're in some area that I can't reach. I SHOULD be fine with that guide, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm still completely balls-out stuck, a fact that none of your guidance seems to be able to change. There must be SOMETHING massive and forehead-smacking that I'm not seeing SOMEWHERE, because this is getting ridiculous.
]


Now you're confusing me. The three women puzzle is not from temple of sun but the temple of moonlight. If you REALLY need direction, spoiler ahead: enter moon's temple from the sun's temple doorway. Go up one screen. There's your puzzle (don't worry if you screw up and don't see the puzzle anymore (i doubt you did), you can still do it) Also the guardian in the spring in the sky don't require the 2nd seal SO I'm not very sure what you're talking about...if you're talking about the seal on the left-hand side of the field, that doesn't have anything to do with the guardian.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 1:01 am        Reply with quote

Okay, that was what I was missing.
Got two new items.
Spent 20 minutes trying to climb a tower infested with bats, only to find nothing at the top but a locked treasure chest. I won't be able to play this for a while until that's no longer fresh in my memory. That whole area seems to be about falling immense distances that you just worked your ass off to climb up because you touched one enemy at the wrong moment. I really don't like that aspect of the level design.
I'm making progress again, I guess. Still don't know where the Spring Guardian is.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:46 am        Reply with quote

I'm completely stuck on [the boss of the fire cavern]. Not only can he do a ridiculous amount of damage if you make the tiniest little mistake, he is also very glitchy!

Here is an image of the background becoming completely ruined during the screen transition. That was an interesting fight.

In this picture he killed me but the game didn't give me a game over. I was invincible and could still run and jump, but I couldn't use any weapons or open any menus.

He's impassably hard. Unless I can figure out something else to do for a while this is going to piss me off to the point that I quit.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:19 am        Reply with quote

Swimmy: I just now killed that dude. My lifebar is pretty much maxed out, I have all the weapons besides the super upgraded whip, over 150 spears, and he was still a pain in the ass. He never glitched out on me though. What I'm trying to say is that you should definitely come back later. Much later.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:34 am        Reply with quote

He's probably one of the hardest boss in the game. The thing to do is ignore the tentacles once his eye is popping out (dodge the shot from the tentacles), and stay in the centre as much as you can (jumping one floor to another, you should be able to jump that high). If you hit him fast enough his eye can't pull out any attacks. If he's spraying bullets with the eye you can still force him to retreat the eye with spears (it's better that way so you don't get knock back). If you have the roms to double your "flashing" time use it to your advantage. I can beat him with half the max life and ~60 spears, but he's a pain definitily.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 2:39 pm        Reply with quote

I have five places memorized with my grail, but I still haven't even fought a boss. I'm sure I'll find the jewel in the guidance gate one of these days.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:21 pm        Reply with quote

I'm spending a lot of time looking for the guardian in the giants mausoleum, but the ankh is nowhere to be found. I'm sure that it's related to the astronomy room, but there is no way to get the three moons.

This archeology thing seemed so easy in the Indiana Jones' movies...

EDIT: Ankh found.

EDIT2: This boss is hard!
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:48 pm        Reply with quote

That boss is about a hojillion times easier once you get the boots.
Edit: As a side note, I have concluded that it is thoroughly impossible for me to make any headway into the [Confusion Gate]. All the paths are dead ends. Is there something I'm missing? I'm reading the elaborate riddles on the glyphs, but not gleaning the slightest knowledge from them.

EDIT 2: You know what? Fuck it. I give up. I can't get more than 5 minutes into the game without getting stuck, and if I play it for more than 20 minutes at a time I get so frustrated that it can ruin a good chunk of my day. It's just not worth it anymore. La Mulana wins.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:14 pm        Reply with quote

I finally got the ankh jewel for the guidance gate and killed the snake. I was a little disappointed by the lack of reward, but that also gets to the point of why the game is awesome. It doesn't give you any freebies. I know, it wouldn't have been a freebie because I had to beat the boss, but because you usually expect to get something after beating the boss, it would have felt like a freebie. Instead, I was really pleased with myself for deciphering a broken tablet that I didn't even have the second half of and getting the throwing knives.

I also figured out most of the secrets to the mausoleum. I still haven't found the ankh jewel, but I figured out the star, sun, moon things, which definitely felt awesome. I'm actually surprised I didn't accidentally find it out sooner because I had matched them up previously, but never figured it out. I did get the switch on Bud's chest to appear, but I have no idea what it activated, and it did not open the chest I expected it to.

I've been trying to venture up into the water level, since I got the helmet, and some tablets have me thinking I should probably go there, but I can't get anywhere, and it's such a pain in the ass because all the monsters try to knock me in the water, which I can't handle yet. I opened the chest with the stone that needs polishing I think, but I have no idea how to get to it, so I geuss I'm just going to wait on all that. I've still got plenty to explore I think.

I guess at the top of my list is figuring out these thing about the twins. I thought it was refencing the double-headed snake, but I guess it wasn't.

Clueless Gamer wrote:
I'm sure that it's related to the astronomy room, but there is no way to get the three moons.

That's funny because before I figured it out, I thought I had to get three suns because I could get three stars and three moons, but could not for the life of me get three suns. I still don't know how to arrange those things to get what I want, but if you just sort of hit them randomly, you eventually get what you need.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:19 am        Reply with quote

This mausoleum boss is driving me a little bit crazy. The snake was nice and easy because I could spam him with throwing stars, but I've got to hit this guy with the whip.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:33 am        Reply with quote

I didn't kill that guy for a long, long time. If a boss has you stumped, chances are good that your best bet is to come back much later.

Also yeah, this game pretty much crushed by soul around the point when I finished going through the Goddess Tower. I don't know why, either. It's been significantly less annoying lately, but I can't muster up the strength to finish.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 4:46 pm        Reply with quote

Okay, I've beat that guy and the next one, but now I'm stuck on the sky spring guardian. It seems like sometimes it's just impossible to not get hit by the boss or jump into the water which also does damage.

I kind of feel like a chump now because I had to look at a guide to figure out who the hell Udjat is. Honestly, how are you supposed to figure that one out? Is there a tablet that explains it?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:19 pm        Reply with quote

hey dave I want to play this with a USB controller how do I do that.
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