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fairy godmilf


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: serious iPhone questions    Reply with quote

so yeah, i have just been told that i have precisely six days to decide to cancel my cellular phone contract before it rolls over to a new three-year contract.

(they do NOT fuck AROUND in japan with phone contracts.)

if i cancel my phone this week, my cancellation fee will be $0.

if i cancel my phone next week, my cancellation fee with be $700.

so, yeah. i don't see any exceedingly compelling phones on my current carrier.

so why not switch carriers, and get an iPhone?

good idea!!

yesterday i was messing around with the iPhone at an electronics store and i was able to search, locate, and play my latest YouTube masterpiece ROCK AND ROLL HEART ATTACK with brain-blasting speed. lots of japanese people complain about the iPhone these days -- without owning one -- because it doesn't have a 1seg TV tuner.


like, who the fuck would pick the three japanese networks over free youtube? for god's sake, people.

anyway, my only real question about iPhone, and this may or may not seem immediately kinda ridiculous:

does it have a voice recorder function?

i've noticed that with the newest revision, the iPod Classics and Nanos all have a voice-recorder function. did they update the iPhone firmware to include this function as well?

i mean, the headphone jack already has microphone support, right? i mean, it'd . . . have to.

if i had to ask one more question, it'd be whether or not the japanese iPhone lets me download things from the US iTunes Store.

getting down to the wire here!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:10 am        Reply with quote

Voice-recording: built-in? ..no. But there are applications you can install that will add it, some (i'm sure) for free. Yeah, that's a copout, I know.

But yes, quick research: there's a program called VoiceNotes that's free, and can interface with an (also free) program from the developers that runs on Windows or Mac that can copy off your recordings.

There's also Jott, also free (for the software itself), but slightly more complicated; saves your recordings on their server, and lets you do things like update Twitter and similar things by leaving voice notes. Not a bad idea, but other than the program, not free.

There's also Recorder ($0.99), and Voice Record ($1.99).. you get the idea. Yes, it exists.

tim, come to the iPhone side; it's beautiful over here. (although you'd probably get the white one, wouldn't you, you damn dirty hipster)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:41 am        Reply with quote

Looks like kerobaros already answered your first inquiry, however regarding the US/Japan iTunes store, it simply ties it to whatever account you currently have set up when you sync it with your computer. If you log in with your other account, it will reflect that change the next time it shakes hands with iTunes.

I am equally perplexed at the hate that the iPhone gets in Japan. Most seem to cite the poor signal, however since the recent firmware update I have gotten a consistently stronger signal than any of my au/docomo/other softbank model-wielding friends.

so yeah.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:59 am        Reply with quote

kerobaros wrote:
There's also Recorder ($0.99), and Voice Record ($1.99).. you get the idea. Yes, it exists.


Is it the exact same voice recording software (by Apple) they have on the new iPods? Because those are so easy to use. I mean, wow! Really easy to record, split tracks, etc. And the quality (with a decent mic) is great. I have tested it.

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tim, come to the iPhone side; it's beautiful over here. (although you'd probably get the white one, wouldn't you, you damn dirty hipster)


I'm actually thinking of getting the black one, believe it or not. I'm going to immediately shove it in one of those soft silicone cases.

ikuzobaba wrote:
regarding the US/Japan iTunes store, it simply ties it to whatever account you currently have set up when you sync it with your computer. If you log in with your other account, it will reflect that change the next time it shakes hands with iTunes.


that sounds like exactly what i wanted to hear.

i'm not even kidding; i might even start PAYING for TV shows. why the hell not?

it'd give me something to watch on the treadmill. there's a little shelf where i could easily set an iPhone so that it'd both be visible and NOT fall off.

they have plasma TVs on every treadmill though seriously japanese TV at 8pm on a weekday is NOT something you want to run toward lol
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:07 am        Reply with quote

108 wrote:
Is it the exact same voice recording software (by Apple) they have on the new iPods? Because those are so easy to use. I mean, wow! Really easy to record, split tracks, etc. And the quality (with a decent mic) is great. I have tested it.


No, they're written by other developers. As of now, Apple has released no voice recording solution for the iPhone or iPod touch.

God, I sound like a press release.

c'mon tim do it do it do it now
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:17 am        Reply with quote

Wait. So the iPhone isn't heavily lauded in Japan? I thought people in Japan usually bought the fuck out of any and all apple products just because.

Like, weren't there a number of phones, technologically speaking, superior to the iPhone in Japan, even before the iPhone was released in Japan?

With that said, I'd probably get an iPhone now as well--they're hella cheap now in the US, and providing that they're hella cheap Japan, then why not?
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fairy godmilf


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:58 am        Reply with quote

well, one of the things that "scares" people about the iPhone is the "high" monthly rate. the basic rate is like 7,000 yen.

that's 7,000 yen for absolutely fucking free internet, free calls to other customers of the same carrier, etc.

people were so "put off" by this that softbank, the carrier, began to offer a "budget" plan -- for 2,700 yen.

this plan does NOT include the free data transmission or free calls to other softbank customers.

in other words, in japan, where the cheapest rates available for data transmission (SMS or otherwise) tend to be 7 yen (~8 cents) per 128 bytes, they're selling pretty shiny apple phones to girls who have had surgery to cut their eyes open and collagen implants to keep the eyes open, so that they can have that phone, see the "youtube" button on the desktop, watch one beyonce video, and shriek at their 12,000 yen phone bill.

then they tell all their friends about how apple stiffed the fuck out of them and how they're never going to buy another iPhone again.
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gooktime



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:36 am        Reply with quote

posting to say iPhone is great
and the default email signature is so obnoxious a man can't help but love it:
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Kappuru
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:46 am        Reply with quote

There is a free program called Jott that I use for iphone all the damn time. It records your voice, turns it INTO TEXT (fairly accurate!) and syncs it to a server. Brilliant.
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Kappuru
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:51 am        Reply with quote

Mr.Stevenson wrote:
Wait. So the iPhone isn't heavily lauded in Japan? I thought people in Japan usually bought the fuck out of any and all apple products just because.

Like, weren't there a number of phones, technologically speaking, superior to the iPhone in Japan, even before the iPhone was released in Japan?

With that said, I'd probably get an iPhone now as well--they're hella cheap now in the US, and providing that they're hella cheap Japan, then why not?


They're really not that cheap, even with the 'special discount' where you basically pay off your phone 1,000 yen at a time for the next 24 months.

Also yeah, I mean oneseg is big, i guess, and some phones have the most ridiculous features ever that no one uses. But they want to have them anyway. My phone from 2005 had a 2MP camera, BBS software, chaku-uta, etc. Tims phone in 2006 had mobile TV and if i'm not mistaken, a fucking DVR. I know the AQUOS phones had them.


Anyway, iPhone is pretty expensive and doesn't stand up, featurewise. But I'd rather have one than pretty much any crazy japanese phone, solely for the interface.


(ps tim, entering japanese text is excellent on the iphone. good dictionary and remembers what kanji you use the most. the web browser, email, everything supports unicode perfectly.)
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Felix
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:16 pm        Reply with quote

I will need a phone when I am in Japan in April, as my current one will a)most likely not work, b) the contract would be expiring soon after anyway, and c) was purchased as a stopgap. This information is relevant to me!

However, I still have an allergy to closed platforms.
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gooktime



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 1:20 pm        Reply with quote

It's not necessarily closed, if you know what I mean, which is a good job because Apple are pretty horrible about what gets on the App store.
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Felix
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:05 pm        Reply with quote

Further question: are there any useful apps that aren't, y'know, NES emulators?
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gooktime



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 3:56 pm        Reply with quote

Define useful! Anything specific you're after?

The app store has a lot of.... useless stuff. NES emulators, flashlight nonsense. There are a lot of social networking apps, twitter, facebook et cetera, if that's your thing.

The unofficial third party apps are likely more interesting, as they aren't scrutinized by Apple before being released.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:23 pm        Reply with quote

Felix wrote:
However, I still have an allergy to closed platforms.


I was going to say you'd have to wait a while for an Android phone (speaking of open platforms), but the first one's been announced & released like 20 seconds ago
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Internetics



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:21 pm        Reply with quote

Wouldn't the iPhones in Japan be three years more advanced thatn the ones in america? What moonspeak-only cell phones-slash-web servers-slash-heart defibrilators-slash-PDAs-slash-HD cameras are available, and how could they not be as great as a "modern" iPhone?

I'm a spectator addressing a player. Answer me!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:54 pm        Reply with quote

i haven't even used the app store on my iphone! its been hacked since 1.1.2 but i've got some dead pixels so i think i'm going DFU the phone and install the latest firmware, take it back and get a new one.

but yeah tim, get an iphone, they're fucking wonderful. i use mine more than my laptop! if you hack the thing (and you should) get this wonderful app called MXTube that lets you search ALL of youtube (not just the mobile and low quality vids) and save that shit to your phone so you can watch it at any time, internet connection or no.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:48 pm        Reply with quote

It's been rumored a 32gb ipone is near?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:24 pm        Reply with quote

Is it pronouced "eye-fon" or "ii-fown"?

Apple is "ahp'puru". Very Klingon-like.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:20 pm        Reply with quote

thank you for mxtube apol you are a good man
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:20 am        Reply with quote

iPhone:~ root# uptime
1:20am up 34 days 9:43, 1 user, load average: 0.47, 0.12, 0.03



lols get one
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:27 am    Post subject: Re: serious iPhone questions    Reply with quote

108 wrote:
yesterday i was messing around with the iPhone at an electronics store and i was able to search, locate, and play my latest YouTube masterpiece ROCK AND ROLL HEART ATTACK with brain-blasting speed. lots of japanese people complain about the iPhone these days -- without owning one -- because it doesn't have a 1seg TV tuner.


I don't know if we're talking about the same thing, but when are they going to deploy 3 segment TV tuners? I had a business trip to Japan to show off a prototype mobile 1/3 segment tuner, but then my company cancelled the project because 3 segment performance wasn't great. OH WELL.
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Toups
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:29 am        Reply with quote

what do you all of you iphone users use for IM?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:34 am        Reply with quote

108 wrote:
kerobaros wrote:
There's also Recorder ($0.99), and Voice Record ($1.99).. you get the idea. Yes, it exists.


Is it the exact same voice recording software (by Apple) they have on the new iPods? Because those are so easy to use. I mean, wow! Really easy to record, split tracks, etc. And the quality (with a decent mic) is great. I have tested it.

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tim, come to the iPhone side; it's beautiful over here. (although you'd probably get the white one, wouldn't you, you damn dirty hipster)


I'm actually thinking of getting the black one, believe it or not. I'm going to immediately shove it in one of those soft silicone cases.

ikuzobaba wrote:
regarding the US/Japan iTunes store, it simply ties it to whatever account you currently have set up when you sync it with your computer. If you log in with your other account, it will reflect that change the next time it shakes hands with iTunes.


that sounds like exactly what i wanted to hear.


you can even download this thing
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Mr. Apol
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:45 am        Reply with quote

Herr Toups wrote:
what do you all of you iphone users use for IM?


program off installer simply called Chat. it's simple and works great. i use colloQ for IRC.

hey tim, you can also get a guitar tuner for your iphone if it's hacked, called funiculus. it uses the microphone to measure pitch and it's fucking great.

also, mobile last.fm.

also ebook reader.

also a dedicated 2ch browser.

also sand game.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 3:53 am        Reply with quote

Mr. Apol wrote:
Herr Toups wrote:
what do you all of you iphone users use for IM?


program off installer simply called Chat. it's simple and works great. i use colloQ for IRC.

hey tim, you can also get a guitar tuner for your iphone if it's hacked, called funiculus. it uses the microphone to measure pitch and it's fucking great.

also, mobile last.fm.

also ebook reader.

also a dedicated 2ch browser.

also sand game.


your iphone is hacked though...

isn't there some way to install "unlicensed" apps onto an ipod touch via syncing or something?

I wonder if it's hard to hack an ipod touch.
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Mr. Apol
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:00 am        Reply with quote

Herr Toups wrote:
Mr. Apol wrote:
Herr Toups wrote:
what do you all of you iphone users use for IM?


program off installer simply called Chat. it's simple and works great. i use colloQ for IRC.

hey tim, you can also get a guitar tuner for your iphone if it's hacked, called funiculus. it uses the microphone to measure pitch and it's fucking great.

also, mobile last.fm.

also ebook reader.

also a dedicated 2ch browser.

also sand game.


your iphone is hacked though...

isn't there some way to install "unlicensed" apps onto an ipod touch via syncing or something?

I wonder if it's hard to hack an ipod touch.


i'm pretty sure the jailbreaking process is exactly the same. and installing shit on a hacked phone is so much better because you just pulled the apps out of the installer via wifi or edge or 3g or whatever you're using. no need to connect it to a laptop, no need to sync, whatever.

say you're like HEY I NEED A GUITAR TUNER and you just pull up installer and download one or you're trapped in a dark dungeon and you're like shit i need a light so you pull up installer and download a flashlight app and it's so fucking cool and like the future.

the iphone is the equivalent to an electronic swiss army knife at this point.
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Kappuru
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 4:31 am        Reply with quote

mr apol, the app store is pretty much exactly the same as installer.app but with a less cool interface (and a big tradeoff in apps, some are amazing, some make me wish installer worked on the new firmware)
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 5:15 pm        Reply with quote

how are the jailbroken IM apps apol-tan do they run in the background and notify you on being IM'd
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Mr. Apol
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:06 pm        Reply with quote

Kappuru wrote:
mr apol, the app store is pretty much exactly the same as installer.app but with a less cool interface (and a big tradeoff in apps, some are amazing, some make me wish installer worked on the new firmware)


if i'm not mistaken, cydia works on the latest firmware! and it's a hell of a lot better than installer - organized better, refreshes sources in the background so there's not a long wait everytime you open it up, open source, restartable downloads that actually tell you how much diskspace it is using with a much better progress bar, etc.

karlsama: i haven't used the app store but i'd trust kapp's statement up there. a lot of the apps just aren't going to be possible to port using apple's SDK, so you're not going to have the same range of applications. if i'm not mistaken, apple's SDK for the iphone doesn't allow access to the filesystem, which makes things like skinning the iphone and emulation impossible.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:41 am        Reply with quote

I would like to point out (to Apol) that not everything that was released for jailbroken 1.1.x iPhones is available on 2.x iPhones. Not even close.

But, hey, psx4iphone got released today, which is exactly what you think it is. Someone send me a CD image of a PS1 game and I'll test it out.
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Mr. Apol
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:58 pm        Reply with quote

kerobaros wrote:
I would like to point out (to Apol) that not everything that was released for jailbroken 1.1.x iPhones is available on 2.x iPhones. Not even close.

But, hey, psx4iphone got released today, which is exactly what you think it is. Someone send me a CD image of a PS1 game and I'll test it out.


i tried to play final fantasy tactics on that, and while it was playable, that really depends on your definition of that word.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 7:10 pm        Reply with quote

I don't know if you care, but emoji does not work on iPhones. This has seriously been one of the major reasons that Apple hasn't been able to get the iPhone off the ground over there.
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