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Tlon



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Pinball - My Analog Obsession    Reply with quote

Is anyone else a pinball fan? I've been getting pretty obsessed with it lately, though not in a collector sense... i'll just dump around $10 on any pinball machine i find, improve my skills, etc. There's something so tactile about it. I spend my days on the computer and go home to my PS2 (via my DS) but pinball is physical and real
there's also the attraction of mastering a sorta arcane skill. i guess you could compare it to schump players, though i'm only moderatly skilled
there are probably lessons that can be learned for game design in pinball, though i'm not sure what they are. its worth noting the game has a seemingly high degree of randomness, though as you get farther into it you realize how much conrol the player has
also: are there any good pinball simulations? i think they defeat the point but i'd love games that expand the pinball concept, like those two with the aliens and the fantasy thing

inspired by one of des' blog post:


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and while we’re stepping outside the realm of strictly digital games, the lucky juju pinball museum is both a wonderful place and a wonderful institution. pinball games are interesting to me because they’re conceptually similiar, in some ways, to videogames - they both involve the manipulation of an avatar (the ball) through a designed space to complete goals - but the physics that drive the game are the same physics that make our hearts beat and our world spin. they’re not artificial, they’re physical.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:42 am        Reply with quote

I ONLY PLAY NES PINBALL.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:50 am        Reply with quote

yeah I regularly pump a Medieval Madness machine at the bowling ally near my house. I had a RedLine machine in my room. Id like to move it out to where ever I'm living in the next few years, great table.

Check out pinmame They have some tables mapped out, it used 3D physics to simulate the play board. Seems kinda wrong to me but its out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:50 am        Reply with quote

you could download alien crush and devil crash to tide you over between forays. seems like the keyboard input would be fine, if not ideal.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:00 am        Reply with quote

For recreations of real pinball tables the relatively recent Williams Pinball Hall of Fame collection is fantastic. For "expanded" tables my heart will always belong to Pinbot on the NES.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:02 am        Reply with quote

chompers po pable wrote:
you could download alien crush and devil crash to tide you over between forays. seems like the keyboard input would be fine, if not ideal.


those are the games... i've played them and i'd love an updated version
but honestly i love pinball games because they AREN'T videogames. they're tactile and clanky and analog and REAL
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:07 am        Reply with quote

Devil Crash sure is awesome. There's also a Rock 'n Roll version of it called Grue Ball or something like that.

I really loved some pinball games.

There's also Virtual Pinball for Genesis where you can build your own and it also has a secret 'stage mode'.

Also I think there are some pinballs from Sierra which had some kind of story and you could advance in stages.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:14 am        Reply with quote

there's a T2 pinball machine at a local dollar theatre that i like to jam on. same place has a TMNT arcade machine that has busted clips, so you can lift the joystick panel and manually feed it 'credits'

fun times.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:01 am        Reply with quote

chompers po pable wrote:
there's a T2 pinball machine at a local dollar theatre that i like to jam on. same place has a TMNT arcade machine that has busted clips, so you can lift the joystick panel and manually feed it 'credits'

fun times.


God that reminds me of this computer camp I went to where we broke into the NBA jam cab in the dorm lobby and played with the dip switches. Nothing quite like French bighead mode.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:04 am        Reply with quote

I
PB

Theres a few dotted around locally although most of the classics I remember being about are slowly disappearing. We even have/had an Addams Family table nearby, although I haven't seen it for a while and suspect the bar has been refurbed. That game has so much going on. I always liked to stack multiballs on a flipper although it's almost as hard as tracking them all in play at once. I've been practicing trapping, but that's really only for show boating! I'm not really very good at pinball but I appreciate the klunkiness and that it's physically flashing and throwing pinballs around. It's much more engaging that a videogame.

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High-level pinball players, who tend to be in their late teens or 20's, bristle at being associated with devotees of video games, which they dislike. They like the physical truth of a game based primarily on gravity and contact, not circuits, and they disparage video games as increasingly violent and repetitive.
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A bit generalising but there does seem to be a difference in those who like pinball specifically and those of us who appreciate both.

Check Daphaknees LJ for some droolsome PB tables. Also the PAPA facility sounds awesome.

I haven't played it nearly as much in recent years as I don't see the tables about as much and don't take the time specifically to go. Man now I want to skip work and go play.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:10 am        Reply with quote

I play whenever I can. You may have noticed that it's a little hard to find a decent selection of tables these days. The Boardwalk in Santa Cruz still has plenty of tables, but book a flight to Vegas and hit up the Pinball Hall of Fame. It's worth a trip!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:11 am        Reply with quote

I'll always hold Twilight Zone as my all-time favorite analog pinball table.

Pokemon Pinball is actually pretty damn fun. Metroid Pinball on DS is nice too, I might have to bring that with me to work tomorrow...
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:24 am        Reply with quote

The T2 machine is both godly and legendary. It could be because I've had very little exposure to pinball machines...

When I somehow managed to get Visual PinMAME going a few years ago (which seemed to be an incredibly convoluted process) I played the fuck out of Black Knight 2000. The soundtrack was incredible, and it was the first table I was ever able to master.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:12 pm        Reply with quote

Judge Ito wrote:
The T2 machine is both godly and legendary. It could be because I've had very little exposure to pinball machines...

When I somehow managed to get Visual PinMAME going a few years ago (which seemed to be an incredibly convoluted process) I played the fuck out of Black Knight 2000. The soundtrack was incredible, and it was the first table I was ever able to master.


Dose the emulated black Knight throw the ball around? I loved that table becasue you could launch the ball on top of everything yet it never seems to get stuck.

Has anyone here played the extra huge LOTR tables? Ive yet to run into them But I have seen an interview with the creators and they look pretty snazzy.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Pinball - My Analog Obsession    Reply with quote

Tlon wrote:
Is anyone else a pinball fan?


You're playing my song. I like video games quite well, but pinball is a passion of mine, for many of the same reasons you've listed and more. I'm a player first, but also a collector...I've got around 20 or so machines, just or take.

Life's been rough, lately, so I won't be going to Pinball Expo this week, which I normally go to every year, but fiscal responsibility is important, too. It's good to know that the machines that have been listed in this thread all would be considered "good" by me, some more than others, obviously.

There's nothing like the feeling of schooling a machine...rather than having it school you. Fan-freaking-tastic.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:21 pm        Reply with quote

shnozlak wrote:
Judge Ito wrote:
When I somehow managed to get Visual PinMAME going a few years ago (which seemed to be an incredibly convoluted process) I played the fuck out of Black Knight 2000. The soundtrack was incredible, and it was the first table I was ever able to master.


Dose the emulated black Knight throw the ball around? I loved that table becasue you could launch the ball on top of everything yet it never seems to get stuck.


I have no idea, I've never been able to play a real Black Knight 2000 table. It's got that double-decker thing going for it, you know. The emulation makes it feel like a great table, though, since I was able to collect R A N S O M multiple times.

R A N S O M mode, by the way... That'll make you love pinball. Every single high-scoring element on the table lights up one-by-one and the music ramps up before finally unleashing the multiball and seeing how many millions you can score in 90 seconds.

It's probably the pinball equivalent of playing Super Mario Bros. as your first video game and getting a Starman for the very first time.
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shnozlak wrote:
Judge Ito wrote:
The T2 machine is both godly and legendary. It could be because I've had very little exposure to pinball machines...

When I somehow managed to get Visual PinMAME going a few years ago (which seemed to be an incredibly convoluted process) I played the fuck out of Black Knight 2000. The soundtrack was incredible, and it was the first table I was ever able to master.


Dose the emulated black Knight throw the ball around? I loved that table becasue you could launch the ball on top of everything yet it never seems to get stuck.

Has anyone here played the extra huge LOTR tables? Ive yet to run into them But I have seen an interview with the creators and they look pretty snazzy.


yeah... Sydney is amazing for pinball. i've played Adams Family, Twilight Zone, Austin Powers, LOTOR (giant Balrog!), Guns N Roses, Theatre of Magic... heaps
there was a gay bar that had like 20 pinball tables but it got shut down (i'm not sure why. sydney's really gay friendly, so it wasn't 'cause of that) but the pinball tables circulate around all the local venues and pubs, which is neat. i see alot of live music so once i've mastered, say, Adams Family or Austin Powers its cool to have it replaced by something else
i love the feeling of mastery i get. if you put me on Street Figher 2 i'll be beaten by anybody but put me on pinball and i can usually hold my own
i've played Metroid Prime pinball and Pokemon Pinball and they're fun but i dunno... i want computer pinball to be more insane. anyone played that pinball RTS that came out for the computer? is it any good?
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http://www.pinball.com/games/bash/
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If anyone is near the Bay Area they should come with us sometime to Lucky Juju and play a ton of old pinball games. Tables on free play all night! $10 to get in! TOTALLY BITCHIN'.
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Mikey wrote:
http://www.pinball.com/games/bash/


yeah i played that in Melbourne at a venue called the Arthouse... its a little place that has alot of punk and metal shows
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all of the pictures ive taken at lucky juju

GORGON, EMBRYON, and ORBITOR 1 are my favorite pinball machines of all time

also i think for hte next gameclub we should play PINBALL QUEST for the nes
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Mikey wrote:
http://www.pinball.com/games/bash/


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Mikey wrote:
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Tlon wrote:
yeah... Sydney is amazing for pinball. i've played Adams Family, Twilight Zone, Austin Powers, LOTOR (giant Balrog!), Guns N Roses, Theatre of Magic... heaps


Oz was great for pin when I was there, that's for sure! Absolutely loved being there, and playing a pin in a gambling parlor, *for money*, was one of the highlights of my pinball-playing "career". Nothing like being *paid* to win. And on World Cup Soccer, of all games. Why not just give me the money up front?

But yeah: Sydney rocked for more than just pinball reasons, but it certainly did rock for pinball.
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boagman wrote:
Tlon wrote:
yeah... Sydney is amazing for pinball. i've played Adams Family, Twilight Zone, Austin Powers, LOTOR (giant Balrog!), Guns N Roses, Theatre of Magic... heaps


Oz was great for pin when I was there, that's for sure! Absolutely loved being there, and playing a pin in a gambling parlor, *for money*, was one of the highlights of my pinball-playing "career". Nothing like being *paid* to win. And on World Cup Soccer, of all games. Why not just give me the money up front?

But yeah: Sydney rocked for more than just pinball reasons, but it certainly did rock for pinball.


er, how else does it rock? great pub rock bands that are constantly ignored? overpriced food? unforgiving heat?
but yeah pinball was originally a gambling game in the States
Australians love gambling... they've got electroic poker machines ('pokies') in every pub... horrible little things

i'd love Nintendo to come out with Wii Pinball. motion control tilt sensor. insane tables that bare very little relation to real physics. stupid amounts of Nintendo fan service
basically, Super Smash Brothers for pinball
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Judge Ito wrote:
shnozlak wrote:
Judge Ito wrote:
When I somehow managed to get Visual PinMAME going a few years ago (which seemed to be an incredibly convoluted process) I played the fuck out of Black Knight 2000. The soundtrack was incredible, and it was the first table I was ever able to master.


Dose the emulated black Knight throw the ball around? I loved that table becasue you could launch the ball on top of everything yet it never seems to get stuck.


I have no idea, I've never been able to play a real Black Knight 2000 table. It's got that double-decker thing going for it, you know. The emulation makes it feel like a great table, though, since I was able to collect R A N S O M multiple times.

R A N S O M mode, by the way... That'll make you love pinball. Every single high-scoring element on the table lights up one-by-one and the music ramps up before finally unleashing the multiball and seeing how many millions you can score in 90 seconds.

It's probably the pinball equivalent of playing Super Mario Bros. as your first video game and getting a Starman for the very first time.


Talking about Black Night 2000, I have my copy of Grand Royal Magazine - Issue 4. heres an excerpt from an interview with Lyman 'Silk' Sheets:

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What's the longest you've ever played?
One game, one time, lasted me an hour and forty five minutes
OH MY GOD!
Yeah, it was Black Knight 200. Back in 1988, I played it for an hour and forty five minutes. My back hurt and I had actually two more balls to play. I couldn't play it anymore. I punched the ball into the play field and just let it drain.
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I should scan it for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:53 pm        Reply with quote

Greng wrote:
Talking about Black Night 2000, I have my copy of Grand Royal Magazine - Issue 4. heres an excerpt from an interview with Lyman 'Silk' Sheets:

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What's the longest you've ever played?
One game, one time, lasted me an hour and forty five minutes
OH MY GOD!
Yeah, it was Black Knight 200. Back in 1988, I played it for an hour and forty five minutes. My back hurt and I had actually two more balls to play. I couldn't play it anymore. I punched the ball into the play field and just let it drain.
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I should scan it for you.


That would be nice, if it's no hassle. I think I've spent 45 minutes on one game, but I had a comfy office chair to sit in :/
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The Blueberry Hill wrote:
I ONLY PLAY NES PINBALL.


I was playing the Nintendo Pinball with the Mario bonus stage a couple weeks ago. It's sweet.

I also played a shitload of Pokemon Pinball. That game kicked ass. I got nearly two billion points in that game one time.

My favorite real pinball machine is Stargate. It's a really awesome setup.

South Park pinball is fun, too. Getting multiball is real easy in that game.

I played Family Guy pinball last year, but I think it got recalled or something because it was everywhere last year, but this year it was nowhere. It had an interesting setup. A full 1/4 of the area was reserved for Stewie's Mini Pinball. The rest of the setup was a bit cramped, but the space was used to good effect. It had my favorite pinball comedy line, too. Peter says "if somebody farts in the woods and nobody is around to smell it, does it still stink?"
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yeah South Park pinball has easy multiball - Mr Hanky and Kenny. or Chef
i can usually go for an hour on most pinball machines
Austin Powers, South Park, LOTR... all really fun
but man i think pinball would actually benefit from the Nintendo Mascot Fanservice Treatment. its a simple game, so assuming the ball physics are decent it would be hard to screw up....
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I'm not a pinball player, but I freaking loved Galactic Pinball on the Virtual Boy. Any other video pinball I've played since felt kind of stale in comparison.
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i've got a vision of pinball combined some some sort of isometric Sim City thing where the movement of the pinball triggers random shit like monster attacks
im not sure if it makes sense but i see it as a casual flash game type thing using pinball as the mechanism to interact with sprite art
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that game is so shit as a pinball game. and as a videgame. and as a sucessor to minsweeper/mousetrap/solitaire
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Totally agreed.
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Medieval Madness.


i like the old pinball thread where daphny posted all the sweetass pinbal marquee arts
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i finally saw ORBITOR 1'S surface and there arent any magnets! what the fuck, i thought the bumpers were like reverse magnets that shooty our ball everywhere but htey're just spinning really fast and hte playfield is curved but has holograms on it to make it look like its curved differently

god that game is a mindfuck
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you should try this haley davidson one with some crazy powerful vibrations going on.... timed to the revs of a hog when you insert credit.... wooo!
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also FIREBALL becuase it has that goddamn spinning circle in teh middle that tosses your ball everywhere AND IS NOT FAIR AT ALL


i like mean pinball tables
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