[BalbanesBeoulve]

2nd Presidential debate is tonight, 9pm eastern.

It's a townhall format.


And here's the current state of the race.


Most polls currently show that Obama has 260-270 safe seats, and he'd only need to win 1 of the many tossup states to win. Even Karl Rove thinks McCain is fucked right now.



Obama's been able to expand into states that have gone Republican in the past. Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, Virginia, North Carolina, Missouri, Indiana.

Indiana went to Bush by 21 fucking points. it's now even.

McCain hasn't had the same success pushing into democratic territory. He dropped out of Michigan, and recent polls in Pennsylvania show him behind by double digits.

New voter registration has been up at least 2 to 1 in the democrat's favor in every swing state.

Things look fucking good for Obama right now.


So the obvious question is "how can the democrats fuck this up?" If the democrats are good at something, it's failing miserably when they should have things in the bag. McCain's going for character assasination, bringing up the William Ayers thing, and i'm sure he'll resort to Rev. Wright before November 4th as things get worse. But will that work? (i doubt it)
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[negativedge]

Thank you, CNN.

[Deets]

Convince your crazy fucking base that Obama is a terr'rist, wait for assassination? Seriously.

[v84j3gs2uc7ns4]

[sam]

hasn't pretty much every president been the target of multiple death threats?

i'm looking forward to this debate, hopefully mccain won't drive me to alcoholism like palin did
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[DonMarco]

I am watching democracy in action!
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Still alive.

[Talbain]

[DonMarco]

I think that klling a prez will be harder than ever. Hell, with Clinton, just slip some to a chubby intern and wait it out. Bush could have been taken out easy at his ranch, while he cleared brush and ignored natural and man-made disasters. Fucking idiot. Remember when Clinton would jog, and stop off at McDonalds? and it was national headlines?? Fuck Bush.


Silly Tolldaddy, black people can't pilot mechs. Just light-skinned blacks, mixed, or hispanic demigods.
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[BalbanesBeoulve]

Barack's mom was white.
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[DonMarco]

[DonMarco]

[Adilegian]

[negativedge]

Again, blah blah blah earmark this earmark that, oh wait, you mean we tacked on 150 billion dollars to our shit bill so our fuckface government can pretend they have some desire or ability to fix something? Whatever, lets bicker about relatively minor taxation differences that, either way, will run us into the ground when we run out of money.

[Adilegian]

[negativedge]

nah, it was an open statement

[DonMarco]

This is awful. Instead of answering the question in a minute, these two are answering part of the question in twenty seconds and then spend two minutes talking about how the other guy voted for this bill four years ago and this many million or billion or blah blah blah.

[Adilegian]

[charlie]

Guys don't vote for Obama. He supports funding planetariums which teach our kids all sorts of crap like science and astronomy.

[DonMarco]

[Bo 0]

What do you guys think of the last question: what don’t you know and how will you learn it ?

[Talbain]

[BalbanesBeoulve]

Pretty boring debate. Not the game changer McCain needed.

Though there was this.

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[dementia]

[G.]

[rabite gets whacked!]

[GcDiaz]

What they should have found was something to hang over Colin Powell so he would've run for the job. From day one, he's been the only candidate they could really sell to us.
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Let's bring sexy back!

[rabite gets whacked!]

I was saying two years ago that a McCain/Powell ticket would have been unbeatable, and thinking more about it, those are the only two big names in the party now. Who do the republicans go to in 4 years? Their other celebrity (Schwarzenegger) isn't eligible for the presidency, and Condi Rice probably wouldn't hold up through vetting to prop up the back half of a ticket.
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[BalbanesBeoulve]

Huckabee might try again. Wouldn't surprise me if Palin did a solo run in 2012 too.
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[rabite gets whacked!]

Very serious question:

Is the "G" in the left eye or the right, or is Putin just on some serious transcendency shit?
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[CubaLibre]

[scratchmonkey]

He would also piss off the entire religious wing, as he doesn't seem to give two shits about that sort of thing. I have a feeling he might be elected if he managed to get the nomination though.

[rabite gets whacked!]

But he's also "famous" and "The Terminator."

I dunno, his experience as Bush's fitness guy vs. Palin's foreign policy?
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[BalbanesBeoulve]

A Democratic senate and congress wouldn't go through the trouble needed to let Arnold run for president.
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[CubaLibre]

[scratchmonkey]

Yeah, I figured that's what you meant; you also could have meant the neocon movement specifically though.

(Although you could make a real good case that the neocon movement is really something that started a long time ago and that the evangelical shift into politics in the 1980 election was part of that.)

[BalbanesBeoulve]

I can see both sides opposing it. Obviously the democrats because it'd allow a strong challenger. But I can't see republicans supporting it. They don't even want immigrants in this country picking our vegetables, can you imagine the uproar over a foreigner stealing the top American job?
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[CubaLibre]

Yeah, that's the traditional wisdom that I identified. But the times they are a changin. There's an honest to God black man (more or less), and a Hawaiian to boot, poised to take the Presidency. On top of that, politics get crazy in economic crises - just look at the Depression and the New Deal. People are up for anything that sounds like a change in those circumtances, and if Schwarzenegger stands for anything it's a break from boring old two-party dichotomy partisanship (in a much more substantial way than Obama if I do say so myself).

It's certainly not a sure thing but I could see it being a big gamble that wins big. As mentioned before, what the hell else are the Republicans gonna do, anyway? The only other option they have is to swing superconservative and attempt to "energize the base" (e.g. Huckabee) in ways Rove could only orgasm about in his wildest dreams. Historically this strategy has met with little success.
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[negativedge]

You're assuming the Congress will be democratic in 2012, for starters. Also, the Republicans could probably start treating the religious right and nutjob wacko supporters the same way the democrats treat poor black people. Which is to say, they could simple go: "yeah, we're going to ignore you. Go to the other side. We fucking dare you."

Then again, hey, Ronald Reagan was a Hollywood guy that became the governor of California and those people are all up on his dick. It's a marketing problem, is all.

[CubaLibre]

I don't think the Reagan comparison holds much water. Their politics are wildly different.

Of course "joe six pack doesn't listen to the issues he just sees all the superficial shit lol" but their politics really are so wildly different I think even Dumb Americans could see the difference.
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[BalbanesBeoulve]

[negativedge]

But, like, where are those people going to go? Is Obama going to call out Ahhnold and be like "sup bitches, this guy ain't all about your shit, vote for ME." They'll just disappear as a crucial voting bloc, like in the 60's and 70's. Or he could just go all Rovian. Bush, though I guess he found Jesus late in life or whatever, was a rich partier from an elite family that went to Yale. On paper, that doesn't exactly scream "Bible Belt" to me.