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CubaLibre
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| And hey, you tell me how the great civilisations of old would have fared without it. |
Not nearly so great, and much better for it.
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Max Cola
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 1:36 am |
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| Dracko what the hell |
Even fascists want you to vote Obama.
How does this make you feel? |
Wait, is he really a fascist? He said it so offhandedly I figured it was a throwaway joke.
An advance "man, I'm sorry" if I'm just being a dry joke-misser like usual.
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Dracko
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 2:33 am |
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Aptly perhaps, negativedge lacks vision!
History is the sole vindicator!
P.S. Is this old news?
Also, yeah, he kind of his. Then again, it really depends on what mood he's in.
Much like anyone else, really.
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BalbanesBeoulve
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spinach
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BalbanesBeoulve
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:32 pm |
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Now the MSM is picking up the rogue Palin story.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/25/palin.tension/index.html
She's getting ready for her 2012 run. God that's going to be hilarious. She already has Rush Limbaugh's endorsement, who thinks that the GOP's problem has been to be too moderate.
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sawtooth
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:58 pm |
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most any person with the stereotypical conservative protestant background believes it they're just self-aware enough not to "witness" it in public
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sam
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:04 am |
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haha yeah that's awesome.
"how is senator obama not a marxist?"
"...are you joking? is this a joke?"
i guess they were looking for him to say something equally daft in response so the network would get attention? american media rules.
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BalbanesBeoulve
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:42 am |
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xouttv (2 minutes ago) Show Hide
New Video Just Hit the Internet. Watch & See How Sarah Palin Misuse Her Down Syndrome Baby.
Just Type IN The Search the title below.
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Dracko
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:46 am |
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BARACK OBAMA: NO FRIEND OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT
Stifling political debate with threats of prosecution is not the rule of law — its tyranny.
Sen. Obama and his supporters despise free expression, the bedrock of American self-determinism and hence American democracy. Whats more, like garden-variety despots, they see law not as a means of ensuring liberty but as a tool to intimidate and quell dissent.
In St. Louis, local law-enforcement authorities, dominated by Democrat-party activists, were threatening libel prosecutions against Obamas political opposition. County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce, abetted by a local sheriff and encouraged by the Obama campaign, warned that members of the public who dared speak out against Obama during the campaigns crucial final weeks would face criminal libel charges — if, in the judgment of these conflicted officials, such criticism of their champion was false. The Prophet of Change is only to be admired, not questioned.
In the stretch run of an American election, there is to be no examination of a candidate for the worlds most powerful office — whether about his radical record, the fringe Leftism that lies beneath his thin, centrist veneer, his enabling of infanticide, his history of race-conscious politics, his proposals for unprecedented confiscation and distribution of private property (including a massive transfer of American wealth to third-world dictators through international bureaucrats), his ruinous economic policies that have helped leave Illinois a financial wreck, his place at the vortex of the credit market implosion that has put the U.S. economy on the brink of meltdown, his aggressive push for American withdrawal and defeat in Iraq, his easy gravitation to America-hating activists, be they preachers like Jeremiah Wright, terrorists like Bill Ayers, or Communists like Frank Marshall Davis.
Comment on any of this and risk indictment or, at the very least, government harassment and exorbitant legal fees. Nor was this an isolated incident. Want examples?
1) When the American Issues Project ran political ads calling attention to Obamas extensive ties to Ayers, the Weatherman terrorist who brags about having bombed the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, the Obama campaign pressured the Justice Department to launch an absurd criminal prosecution.
2) When commentator Stanley Kurtz of the Ethics and Public Policy Center was invited on a Chicago radio program to discuss his investigation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, an education reform project in which Obama and Ayers (just a guy who lives in my neighborhood) collaborated to dole out over $100 million, the Obama campaign issued an Internet action alert. Supporters, armed with the campaigns non-responsive talking points, dutifully flooded the program with calls and emails, protesting Kurtzs appearance and attempting to shout him down.
3) Both Obama and his running mate, Sen. Joe Biden, have indicated that an Obama administration would use its control of the Justice Department to prosecute its political opponents, including Bush administration officials responsible for the national security policies put in effect after nearly 3000 Americans were killed in the 9/11 attacks.
4) There is a troubling report that the Justice Departments Civil Rights Section, top officials of which are Obama contributors, has suggested criminal prosecutions against those they anticipate will engage in voter intimidation or oppression in an election involving a black candidate.
In a system that presumes innocence even after crimes have undeniably been committed, responsible prosecutors dont assume non-suspects will commit future law violations — especially when doing so necessarily undermines the First Amendment freedoms those prosecutors solemnly swear to uphold.
The Justice Departments job is to prosecute those actively undermining our freedom, not to intimidate citizens in the exercise of that freedom. Consequently, instead of threatening criminal investigations of phantom future civil-rights violations, it should be conducting criminal investigations into whether public officials in St. Louis are abusing their offices to affect a national election. Prosecutors and police who abuse their enormous powers in order to promote the election of their preferred candidates violate their public trust.
Day after day, Obama demonstrates that the change he represents is a severing of our body politic from the moorings that make us America. If we idly stand by while he and his thugs kill free political debate, we die too. |
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evnvnv
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:59 am |
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| dracko sometimes i have a hard time telling whether or not you intend for the things you (re)post to be taken seriously |
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sawtooth
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:03 am |
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stifling obama's right to free association >:|
lol
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Dracko
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:34 am |
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I didn't understand what you meant. I was listening to this as I was in another tab. Nothing too outlandish, if you only listen to it. Watching him tires me out, though.
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| The propaganda machine brainwashes our children in public school!! "Liberal" is a mindset, not an adjective!! Elitists in Hollywood taking over American family values!! Row row fight the power!! |
Bah!
Four years ago the GOP rallied with the troops and against gay marriage and barely won. This election went from being about immigration and experience in the primaries, to the economy and vice presidents. And they'll most likely lose. Where as on experience and immigration they probably would have won.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:44 am |
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Sesame Street is liberal?
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spinach
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:53 pm |
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| Sesame Street is liberal? |
Progressive, and only for the sake of child development. |
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:14 pm |
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| Sesame Street is liberal? |
Progressive, and only for the sake of child development. |
If it avoids the bible, has an illegal alien, promotes a world without guns, and showcases same-sex partnerships it's liberal.
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Dracko
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:34 pm |
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I didn't understand what you meant. |
I mean I dig his attitude even though I thoroughly disagree with him on many of his points.
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CubaLibre
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spinach
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:29 pm |
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| spinach wrote: |
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| Sesame Street is liberal? |
Progressive, and only for the sake of child development. |
If it avoids the bible, has an illegal alien, promotes a world without guns, and showcases same-sex partnerships it's liberal. |
I watch it often. There's a 2 year old here and it's most of what she watches in her half hour daily allotment of television time. It is quite liberal, but it comes with the territory -- these guys are very much ahead of the state's outdated notions of child development. |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:42 pm |
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I'd really want to know what the hell the state's intentions are about child development. If it's to make them stupid taxpayers, I suppose they're succeeding.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:16 pm |
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Talbain the correct term is "good citizen."
Even the Supreme Court says so, in their opinions about schooling. One of the primary state interests in schooling is to make children "good citizens."
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gambrinus
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:07 pm |
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| I'd really want to know what the hell the state's intentions are about child development. If it's to make them stupid taxpayers, I suppose they're succeeding. |
When it comes to government, I really think that attributing motive to them credits them with way more competency than they actually have.
Of course, I feel the same way about large corporations. (mainly because I work for one) |
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spinach
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:45 pm |
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| I'd really want to know what the hell the state's intentions are about child development. If it's to make them stupid taxpayers, I suppose they're succeeding. |
High test scores, good citizens who contribute to society.
Goals which are neither lofty nor meaningful. The first does more harm than good, by a long shot, as it places emphasis on rote memorization rather than deep learning -- too much 'what' and not enough 'why'.
Sesame Street needs a followup. |
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Talbain
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I do wonder what the goals of other state-sponsored educational institutions are. Is America really so different, or is it just that American schools expect less rote memorization? I'm not saying that rote memorization is meaningful, but on some level it's required for some basic functionality of all systems.
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GcDiaz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:52 am |
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| or is it just that American schools expect less rote memorization? |
Are you kidding, that's the basic building block of NCLB's standardized testing.
Holding our kids up to a higher standard is fine. Pretending different schools in different economic tiers all teach the same way to the same students is moronic. It's putting new tires on a car with faulty brakes.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:06 am |
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| or is it just that American schools expect less rote memorization? |
Are you kidding, that's the basic building block of NCLB's standardized testing.
Holding our kids up to a higher standard is fine. Pretending different schools in different economic tiers all teach the same way to the same students is moronic. It's putting new tires on a car with faulty brakes. |
So are you saying a tiered education system--a Grade 1 A, B, and C for example--is better than just Grade 1? Because it seems to me that while you might create smarter students this way, by making students more competitive with other students, you'd also create a social stratification which would lead to a problematic discrimination, especially since children don't really know how to take discrimination in context.
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spinach
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:07 am |
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| I do wonder what the goals of other state-sponsored educational institutions are. Is America really so different, or is it just that American schools expect less rote memorization? I'm not saying that rote memorization is meaningful, but on some level it's required for some basic functionality of all systems. |
We're all about rote memorization, to the detriment of deep learning. |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:12 am |
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I can agree with that to an extent. I suppose it's hard for me to imagine since I grew up in suburban America.
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Dracko
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GcDiaz
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:25 am |
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| or is it just that American schools expect less rote memorization? |
Are you kidding, that's the basic building block of NCLB's standardized testing.
Holding our kids up to a higher standard is fine. Pretending different schools in different economic tiers all teach the same way to the same students is moronic. It's putting new tires on a car with faulty brakes. |
So are you saying a tiered education system--a Grade 1 A, B, and C for example--is better than just Grade 1? Because it seems to me that while you might create smarter students this way, by making students more competitive with other students, you'd also create a social stratification which would lead to a problematic discrimination, especially since children don't really know how to take discrimination in context. |
Huh? I said economic tiers, meaning some schools are just better funded and cared for than others. They also cater to students from better backgrounds, by default. Standardized testing would've cost AT LEAST half my graduating class their diplomas, if the standards were designed to challenge students attending the schools I stupidly passed up.
Had to follow my "friends", I did.
EDIT: Reread your post and I think I get what you were driving at: I see no need to separate the kids, except in the case of prodigies and such. No sense in holding them back if they can handle a tougher version. I just wish for the day where all schools have the means and resources to produce equal results, even with unequal raw material. We can fix the educational system a lot sooner than we can fix the world at large.
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CubaLibre
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 2:44 am |
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| I do wonder what the goals of other state-sponsored educational institutions are. |
They are all functionally the same. Their purpose is to condition a vast underclass of people who lack creativity and self-determination such that they operate as efficient and mobile labor units in a corporate economy.
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Talbain
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So our poor and underclass are basically becoming poorer. While that's bad, I don't see why it's so much worse now than it ever was (aside from the poor economy--which makes things tougher for most everyone). I think the problem is that schools are competing for tax dollars, rather than simply creating a system based on number of students. I feel that there should basically be an allotment of tax dollars spent per student which should go towards schools based on attendance not just at school, but after school and subsequent grades that constitute a part cultural and part historical context. Which is to say, I feel kids should be getting as much math and reading as they should speaking and singing.
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CubaLibre
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I think you misunderstand - this "underclass" comprises everyone beneath the higher reaches of the economic upper-middle-class. After all, you need the proper ratio of managers to employees - too many cooks spoil the soup.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:10 am |
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| I think you misunderstand - this "underclass" comprises everyone beneath the higher reaches of the economic upper-middle-class. After all, you need the proper ratio of managers to employees - too many cooks spoil the soup. |
But that basically means we need to spend more money on creating better parents (better teachers?), not better kids. The kids can't be held responsible for their parents income level.
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spinach
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:23 am |
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The answer isn't spending more money, but changing the way we approach education and child development. People are already spending money on the research, we just need to act on it. Spending more money has always been our answer, and now it's got us teaching elementary school kids what sequence of buttons to press on their TI-82 to do calculus (have you been to an elementary school recently?).
Slightly off topic but it really bothers me how many people who are deemed mentally handicapped have a physical deformity to go along with it, I can't help but wonder if it isn't phrenology in practice. |
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Talbain
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:26 am |
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| spinach wrote: |
| The answer isn't spending more money, but changing the way we approach education and child development. People are already spending money on the research, we just need to act on it. Spending more money has always been our answer, and now it's got us teaching elementary school kids what sequence of buttons to press on their TI-82 to do calculus (have you been to an elementary school recently?). |
I basically agree with this. But then, changing teaching policy will cost money, even if in the long run it's just changing focus.
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| Slightly off topic but it really bothers me how many people who are deemed mentally handicapped have a physical deformity to go along with it, I can't help but wonder if it isn't phrenology in practice. |
As a person with epilepsy I can relate to this.
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