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BenoitRen
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 Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 12:29 am |
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Windows Vista is the ultimate crap.
-They again had to rape the interface and bloat it with tons of shiny effects, to the point of needing a fucking 3D gaming video card to display it well. Aero my ass.
-They bloated the OS even more so you now need 2 GB of RAM and 15 GB of HDD space just for it to run well. An OS is supposed to be an operating system that consumes the minimum of resources and support your applicaitions, not trying to be a jack-of-all-trades program! Death to the perpetual upgrade cycle!
-Now Windows will annoy you even more with the new User Access Control pop-ups! To be honest, this wasn't a bad idea, but its implementation sucks. It asks you about a lot of things you shouldn't need administrator priviledges for, or things that aren't really harmful!
-A lot of incompatibility. Sucky drivers. 'nuff said.
-Instead of only having DRM in Windows Media Player (which already sucked), now it's implemented in the entire OS to rub the backs of the multimedia industry and extract every possible nickel in your pocket. Joy!
I never liked XP for its toy look, restrictive behaviour, incompatibility with older games, and bloated back-end. Somehow, Microsoft managed to fuck up Windows even more. They're pretty skilled at doing that, I have to admit.
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:05 am |
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I've been away for a couple days, so here's a couple response posts. This one is for Broco:
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| This childish rant barely deserves to be dignified with a response, but anyway... |
Childish? Probably only because you disagree with me/are a Vista fanboy.
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| What? No. Bog-standard el cheapo integrated motherboard video cards will do. All this GPU power has been around for years and you're complaining that an OS gets around to using it? |
Of course! An OS is just a tool, not some light show! Why should it look super-pretty which in turn consumes more resources? Those resources should be used to make the programs run efficiently.
I also doubt that there was that much GPU power to start with in computers of regular home users, who are not gamers. You'll find 32 MB video cards in them.
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| Also, Vista's UI is just fine (and still better than XP's) if you turn Aero off. |
See, this is a common excuse. You can turn it off. What happened to sensible defaults that didn't assume your PC was loaded with the latest technological advancements, or that you needed all that stuff?
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| Attacking Windows for bloat is silly. All those new features have to go somewhere, and I'm not seeing Mac OS X or desktop Linux distributions doing it much more efficiently. |
Who says there have to be newer features in the first place? Do home users need all of them? Again, it's supposed to be an OS, not a jack-of-all-trades program, programmed to be efficient instead of sucking up as much RAM and HDD space as possible. Can you really justify 2 GB RAM and 15 GB of space just for an OS?
I can't speak for Mac OS X, but with Linux it all depends on your window manager. There are ones that have a lot of eye candy, others are conservative.
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| And keeping around old APIs is still less resource-intensive than running your old software in an emulation layer like you have to do with Macs, or recompiling it like you have to do with Linux. |
I'm not talking about old APIs. That I'm fine with, and understand the need for. It's all those silly features like integrating the browser into the explorer, browsing your hard drive like a web page, viewing thumb nails of pictures in the explorer, the Fax and Image Viewer, the sheduler, etc.
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| For example, XP and Vista boot hella fast |
In less than 30 seconds? Even after using it for months? Because I have a WinXP laptop here at home that takes more than a minute before it's ready. Defragging doesn't help anymore. Vista, like XP, isn't really done loading when the desktop appears. It's still loading all the bazillion services, and Vista loads your most used applications thanks to SuperFetch.
For reference, Win9x systems could already boot in less than 30 seconds. On older hardware!
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| Turn it off then. But you'd be an idiot and you know it. |
Again the turn it off argument!
No, I wouldn't be an idiot, because I'm not a luser who clicks "Yes" on every prompt and throws every program at my system without a second thought, while using an insecure browser.
common_sense.exe is still the best tool against malware.
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| Use the classic look then, what?, ack this is because of the vast improvement in architecture did you prefer the instability and general crappiness of Win9x?, and addressed above. |
Win9x is not crappy, it's still a decent home OS. It's actually very stable if you have good drivers, especially Win95 because it didn't have IE integrated. See, drivers run at the same level as the kernel, so when one fails, it's BSOD. Because drivers are a big problem every time a Windows version comes out, this has become a running joke.
Yes, the kernel got better in NT5, but they fucked up the rest.
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BenoitRen
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 12:42 am |
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@Craptastic!
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| You can turn off the Aero interface. |
Turn off argument again!
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| Not only that, but considering the whole 3d desktop feature and such, wouldn't it make sense to require at the very least, a $50 "3d gaming" videocard to pull it off? |
Why does it make sense to have a 3D desktop in the first place? And why should I buy hardware for my OS instead of buying it for my programs! I get a computer to run my own programs, not an OS!
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| 15 whole Gigabytes? Oh my god! Our 200+ gb HDDs can't sustain that! |
Just because our hard drives get bigger is no reason to bloat your OS to take even more space.
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| Considering that it's possible to get viruses onto a fresh install of XP with SP2 without even opening up an application nowadays, could you elaborate on what exactly it is that you don't consider potentially harmful? |
It prompts you on every program. It prompts you when you change the start page of your browser (might have changed since the beta). It prompts you when you want to change your Start menu. etc.
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| So...who's fault is that? That's right, the folks behind the incompatible hardware who've had a year or so to come up with new drivers. |
The drivers are their fault, yes, but the incompatibility is Microsoft's doing.
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| I like how Vista has that simple theme switcher. Want a pinkish interface? Blue? Red? |
Um, already possible in every Windows release ever since 3.1 or 95?
By the way, Windows Vista is the next puzzle in achieving TCPA.
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BenoitRen
I bought RAM
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:39 pm |
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| I'll miss Nero, but something will come along. |
How about a nice free one to replace it? Try CD Burner XP Pro. Works great for me.
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