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secondpillow
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 Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: Windows Vista: How to make tolerable? |
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| I disabled all the security and user account control bullshit that I could find, but vista still hounds me for normal functionality questions. How do I make this shut up? |
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km
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 1:56 am |
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Vista hasn't prompted me for anything after I went into User Accounts via the control panel and disabled UAC. You did reboot, right?
If you're talking about Security Center, there's an option on the bottom of the list on the left side of the screen that says "Change how security center alerts me" or something. Click the link and there should be checkboxes to turn off the alerts. Same as in XP.
You might get a balloon tip about windows updates, if you've set it to notify you when those are available. If you don't want that, er, turn off update notification. Same as in XP.
If it's something else I don't know what to tell you.
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sawtooth
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:24 am |
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get a mac lol
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:26 am |
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the death of a meme
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Touran
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 7:16 am |
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Make sure you are running everything in Admin mode as well.
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 2:32 pm |
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| km wrote: |
Vista hasn't prompted me for anything after I went into User Accounts via the control panel and disabled UAC. You did reboot, right?
If you're talking about Security Center, there's an option on the bottom of the list on the left side of the screen that says "Change how security center alerts me" or something. Click the link and there should be checkboxes to turn off the alerts. Same as in XP.
You might get a balloon tip about windows updates, if you've set it to notify you when those are available. If you don't want that, er, turn off update notification. Same as in XP.
If it's something else I don't know what to tell you. |
After you've done this, make sure you restart your computer. Not just power down to hibernate or sleep. (My Dad did this.)
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BenoitRen
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 3:05 pm |
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Install Windows XP.
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Talbain
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 4:15 pm |
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| Install Windows XP. |
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GcDiaz
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:09 pm |
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What about vista SP1? Doesn't that make the difference? I'm deciding whether to go with Vista or XP Pro for my new build.
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km
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:57 pm |
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I haven't used Vista without SP1. Maybe that's why I don't blindly hate it?
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extrabastardformula
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:45 am |
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| km wrote: |
| I haven't used Vista without SP1. Maybe that's why I don't blindly hate it? |
Pretty much. Also get a real video card. Out of the box Vista PCs come with shitty integrated chipsets that exist only to be able to provide the features Aero uses sometimes.
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:17 am |
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| What about vista SP1? Doesn't that make the difference? I'm deciding whether to go with Vista or XP Pro for my new build. |
I just recently (day 5 now) jumped on the Vista train.
In fact! Aside from my DVD drive, case and power supply, my computer is brand fucking new. Dual core 2.5 CPU, 4GB ram, new mobo, card reader/front panel and 500GB HDD was bought specifically to build a new rig that could handle Vista. These cost me all of $260 (before rebates). A second purchase of a new video card and power supply set me back another $120 (before rebate).
I downloaded a free copy of Vista Professional because I'm a student in some class or another and have gotten pretty far with it. After the first install, I tried throwing Ubuntu on the drive and it freaked out. I wasn't able to boot to either Vista or Linux. So I wiped the drive clean and re-installed Vista. I'll be trying again, but throwing Ubuntu on a different harddrive. Oh, and with a back up on hand this time in case of any fuck-ups. I'm also building a master apps CD, with all the best freeware and coding programs/libraries *cough*ROMs*cough* and codecs. Everything, you know?
I really like Vista so far. Turned off the idiot-warnings and it handles faster than XP. I don't like how the Start Menu was changed, but I'm sure that in a few days I'd have straighted it out.Every piece of hardware is 100% okay, it recognizes all my USB accessories perfectly, no crashes, completely updated to SP1 and beyond... I like Vista.
Again! Assuming you have the hardware- Vista looks sharp, is fast, and runs like a dream. If you can get a copy cheap (as a student), or upgrade- DO IT. There's nothing I want to do in XP that I can't in Vista.
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| I haven't used Vista without SP1. Maybe that's why I don't blindly hate it? |
Pretty much. Also get a real video card. Out of the box Vista PCs come with shitty integrated chipsets that exist only to be able to provide the features Aero uses sometimes. |
My motherboard came this way. Vista runs, but not the super-fancy Aero or whatever. My real video card should be arriving in a few days.
Video cards are dirt-cheap, I just bought a year and a half-old GeForce 8600 GTS card for $40 after rebate. 512MB RAM @ 128bits, nothing too impressive, but more than enough for any game released to date. More than enough for Vista and Windows 7, too.
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ghostsghostsghosts
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:54 am |
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Vista is the ugliest goddamned thing around but I can't fault it in terms of functionality
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ghostsghostsghosts
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 2:57 am |
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How do I make this look not terrible
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Broco
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:49 am |
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| ghostsghostsghosts wrote: |
| Vista is the ugliest goddamned thing around |
Not sure what you mean exactly. Vista is hell of a lot better-looking than XP's falsely cheerful primary colors or Win95-2000's flat gray because it had to not use too much of the palette on 256-color VGA. It's the first thing Microsoft has made that actually looks like it has professional graphic designers behind it. |
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ghostsghostsghosts
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:03 am |
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beveled everything, cheap looking gloss effects everywhere, obnoxious icons. Vanilla XP was ugly, but it was at least possible to change just about everything around to your liking.
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spinach
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:15 am |
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broco don't hate on win2k
also overblown window managers are not a mark of good graphic design, it's just hogging up resources
of course I'm just talking shit here, I never turn off aero glass |
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Panoptic
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 5:24 am |
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| I prefer XP myself, as the interface seems like a tighter, snappier experience (plus some of my programs just don't work right in Vista) but Vista isn't terrible assuming you have enough power for it. What I find funny about the Mojave Experiment ads is the people seeing the demos don't realize the demo systems would probably smash their systems out of existence. |
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km
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 11:22 am |
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| Panoptic wrote: |
| I prefer XP myself, as the interface seems like a tighter, snappier experience (plus some of my programs just don't work right in Vista) but Vista isn't terrible assuming you have enough power for it. What I find funny about the Mojave Experiment ads is the people seeing the demos don't realize the demo systems would probably smash their systems out of existence. |
what are you even talking about, vista will run fine on a computer that costs $300 now
if you're saying that the hardware that most people own now won't run vista well, yeah, i guess i might agree, but most of those people are happy with xp. if they want all of the whizbang features of vista its kind of ridiculous to claim they can get all that with some kind of investment
UI wise i feel like vista is actually snappier than xp, because the ui actually takes advantage of the co-processor that i've had in all my computer for literally years, leaving the CPU to do actual computing tasks that i might care about
the start menu is one of the things i really like, because i dont have to ever worry about sorting anything in that menu ever. win key and then type a few letters, that's how i launch programs. that or win+number for something on the quick launch. i just learned about that really recently and it's really handy
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Panoptic
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Unless SP1 gives Vista an enormous boost to interface speed, I disagree with you on how snappy the GUI is. Yeah, a fully accelerated GUI is nice - it may render without (or at least with less) tearing and not have the artifacting issue that XP's blitter graphics have, but in my opinion it doesn't have the speed or responsiveness of XP (Note that the "worst" GPU I've used Vista with on one of my own systems is a GeForce 7800GTX). I stopped using Vista about a month before SP1 officially dropped, and kept it updated, but if you're adamant that the performance difference is there, I might try installing it again.
Perhaps I wasn't clear, but my intent wasn't to say that you need a monster system to run Vista - I was just making light of the fact that most people's problems with the new OS are because of antiquated hardware (referring to the Mojave Experiment ads). Back when Vista came out there was a camp that was outraged that the accelerated GUI required PS model 2.0 to run. I seem to recall Apple poking fun at this aspect of Vista as well (isn't DirectX more feature-laden than OpenGL?), but the way I see it, it's a necessary step forward. They just haven't implemented it in a way I'm willing to change operating systems for yet. I'd bet most of the people whose computers aren't up to the task of running Vista are the same people who're happy with XP that you refer to, but my system is DX10.1 capable, and I happen to be happy with XP, myself. Well, not completely happy with it, but I find it's better than all the alternatives for what I do on my PC. |
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 1:23 pm |
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Vista had nothing but bad press from the start. Every MS OS does. When you design a platrom to run on and operate with literally hundreds of thousands of different parts from different vendors- there are bound to be a few problems. The major gripes with Vista were that it required much more operating power, comparing it to the previous OS that came out five years before. Five years is a fucking eternity in computer hardware and software development.
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| Panoptic wrote: |
| I prefer XP myself, as the interface seems like a tighter, snappier experience (plus some of my programs just don't work right in Vista) but Vista isn't terrible assuming you have enough power for it. What I find funny about the Mojave Experiment ads is the people seeing the demos don't realize the demo systems would probably smash their systems out of existence. |
what are you even talking about, vista will run fine on a computer that costs $300 now
if you're saying that the hardware that most people own now won't run vista well, yeah, i guess i might agree, but most of those people are happy with xp. if they want all of the whizbang features of vista its kind of ridiculous to claim they can get all that with some kind of investment |
BAH!! The whole point of calling it Mojave is that people who never saw/used Vista in the last two years it's been out had good things to say about its features. People who saw and liked the Mac ads, I guess. The unwashed masses.
As for the demo systems, Vista runs on any modern ($300-$500) eMachine or laptop. Throw in more RAM and a video card and you're in business. All for a fraction of the price of the equivalent Mac.
Which is something Macs aren't known for! Apple doesn't see any money from the new upgrade part and they don't see any money from a new computer sale. It's a lose-lose situation they'd avoid simply by aggressive campaigning and selling the current year's image. It's the digital equivalent to those old West Virginia coal mining towns. The hard-working people living there got paid from the company, but every store and facility in the town was run by the company. The workers were overcharged and could do nothing about it but slowly work themselves into a debt that never decreased. The song "Sixteen Tons" is about such a place.
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| I think computers should have flat uninteresting interfaces. Especially if Im trying to get work done. |
New buzzword this week: Multi-Dimensional Desktop.
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BenoitRen
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 4:26 pm |
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| shnozlak wrote: |
| I think computers should have flat uninteresting interfaces. Especially if Im trying to get work done. |
I strongly agree with this. An OS should be just a tool that doesn't get in my way.
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| The major gripes with Vista were that it required much more operating power, comparing it to the previous OS that came out five years before. Five years is a fucking eternity in computer hardware and software development. |
So what? It's an OS. It shouldn't require a lot just to run. It's there to support the programs I actually care about. Vista reaks of bloat.
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:09 pm |
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| BenoitRen wrote: |
| shnozlak wrote: |
| I think computers should have flat uninteresting interfaces. Especially if Im trying to get work done. |
I strongly agree with this. An OS should be just a tool that doesn't get in my way. |
There's this scene in the movie Charlie Wilson's War when a contributor's waiting in Charlie's office and he notices that all of Charlie's pages and secretaries are beautiful, sexy women. One of them tells the man, "Charlie always said- 'You can teach them to type, but you can't teach them to grow tits.'"
So if you're going to spend 4, 8, 10+ hours a day five days a week, why not something that's a little aesthetically pleasing? Even if it isn't exactly perfect at first, eventually Vista will be better. For example, when I install it on my computer, it only recognizes 3GB of my 4GB installed. A few updates later, it recognizes all 4GB. Wow!
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| The major gripes with Vista were that it required much more operating power, comparing it to the previous OS that came out five years before. Five years is a fucking eternity in computer hardware and software development. |
The very nature of the PC beast is constantly upgrading to faster this or more powerful that. For 99% of all jobs and purposes, upgrading reduces processing time and time is money. Right along with the hardware, the software must follow and adapt.
So what? It's an OS. It shouldn't require a lot just to run. It's there to support the programs I actually care about. Vista reaks of bloat. |
What is an OS but a virtual interpretation of the computer? Why did people flock to Macintosh over DOS? Windows over MS-DOS? Mac OS X over Mac OS Classic? (LAWL this is an Intel joke)
Finding powerful, fast machines in an office is not hard to do. When installing video cards shave half the time (or more) off Photoshop renderings, they were bought without question. When USB 2.0 offered speeds 40x faster than USB 1, within a few weeks they became standards on all motherboards of all manufacturers.
Furthermore, finding video cards in personal computers was more of a standard. These additional GPUs just idling away, wasted. While Vista dared to thrive off it. It could also run on lesser systems, with all the bells and whistles turned off. But! The cost of either upgrading or the low prices of complete new systems is so low. I built mine for around $350 after rebates.
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GcDiaz
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| Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:26 pm |
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| DonMarco wrote: |
| I built mine for around $350 after rebates. |
Guys I just wanted World of Warcraft to look its best. :(
DM, that's about the same that my new build would cost me, if I bothered with the mail-in rebate stuff. $400 flat as is (mobo, video, cpu, ram, case, cooling). I bought Vista a long time ago, but had to reinstall XP when ASUS wouldn't bother to release drivers for my mobo. Another concern was losing access to Nero 6 and DVD Shrink. Thing is, I haven't copied a DVD in over a year, and I just got Nero 7 which is Vista friendly. So I pretty much have no reason to stick with the old, besides nostalgia or some perceived speed advantage over the new (which I doubt, with my new CPU and GPU driving things). You'd best believe I'm running a bunch of 3dMark tests on it, before I decide on which OS to keep.
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| ghostsghostsghosts wrote: |
| beveled everything, cheap looking gloss effects everywhere, obnoxious icons. Vanilla XP was ugly, but it was at least possible to change just about everything around to your liking. |
Jesus I hate reading posts where people complain that its not automatically setup exactly how they want it.
You can turn on or off everything and change your themes etc etc just like any windows. Hell, there's even a version of Vista that its impossible to ever have aero. |
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DonMarco
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:09 am |
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| GcDiaz wrote: |
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| I built mine for around $350 after rebates. |
Guys I just wanted World of Warcraft to look its best. :(
DM, that's about the same that my new build would cost me, if I bothered with the mail-in rebate stuff. $400 flat as is (mobo, video, cpu, ram, case, cooling). I bought Vista a long time ago, but had to reinstall XP when ASUS wouldn't bother to release drivers for my mobo. Another concern was losing access to Nero 6 and DVD Shrink. Thing is, I haven't copied a DVD in over a year, and I just got Nero 7 which is Vista friendly. So I pretty much have no reason to stick with the old, besides nostalgia or some perceived speed advantage over the new (which I doubt, with my new CPU and GPU driving things). You'd best believe I'm running a bunch of 3dMark tests on it, before I decide on which OS to keep. |
The rebates are well worth it, man. Sure you have to print out and fill in an invoice, print out and fill out the rebate, and cut out the UPC and THEN still have to mail it in... But it's really worth it.
I saved $30, almost half the cost, on the video card. $30 on the RAM, taking it from $50 for 4GB to $20 for 4GB- which is fucking amazing.
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Toptube
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| Panoptic wrote: |
| Perhaps I wasn't clear, but my intent wasn't to say that you need a monster system to run Vista - I was just making light of the fact that most people's problems with the new OS are because of antiquated hardware (referring to the Mojave Experiment ads). |
I get what you are saying, but Mojave was mostly geared to beat down the hear say. To target those people who had never seen and never ever considered Vista for a moment because James in the cubicle next to them said it sucks, or Wendy at knitting class heard from her friend's husband Daniel that no sane person would ever buy it or----etc. |
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GcDiaz
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| $20 for 4GB- which is fucking amazing. |
I paid $135 for a single DVD-RW drive 4 years ago. I bought its replacement two months ago for $22. You're fucking right that's amazing.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:17 am |
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| GcDiaz wrote: |
| DonMarco wrote: |
| I built mine for around $350 after rebates. |
Guys I just wanted World of Warcraft to look its best. :(
DM, that's about the same that my new build would cost me, if I bothered with the mail-in rebate stuff. $400 flat as is (mobo, video, cpu, ram, case, cooling). I bought Vista a long time ago, but had to reinstall XP when ASUS wouldn't bother to release drivers for my mobo. |
Maaaaan, you are crazy to be getting Drivers direct from a mobo company. figure out who makes the actual chipset (Intel, ATI, Nvidia) and get the drivers from them. Component vendors are notorious for being way behind with their own driver re-hashes.
Also, Vista pre SP1 ran just fine on my single core Athlon 64 with 2GB of DDR ram. |
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 12:19 am |
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| DVD Shrink and DVD decrypter work fine in Vista. Decrypter throws up some errors when you try to close it, but it closes. |
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CubaLibre
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| ghostsghostsghosts wrote: |
| beveled everything, cheap looking gloss effects everywhere, obnoxious icons. Vanilla XP was ugly, but it was at least possible to change just about everything around to your liking. |
Jesus I hate reading posts where people complain that its not automatically setup exactly how they want it.
You can turn on or off everything and change your themes etc etc just like any windows. Hell, there's even a version of Vista that its impossible to ever have aero. |
Have you ever tried to change your theme? Unless you're going to use a windows made theme (themes that I think are exclusive to vista ultimate) it's a total chore.
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| Vista reaks of bloat. |
reeks |
give him a break, he's french or something
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CubaLibre
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| benren wrote: |
| Vista reaks of bloat. |
reeks |
give him a break, he's french or something |
I'll give him a break when he gives this board a break
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I don't think that's ever going to happen :(
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Broco
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| benren wrote: |
| Vista reaks of bloat. |
reeks |
the real issue is the mixed metaphor
| ghostsghostsghosts wrote: |
| beveled everything, cheap looking gloss effects everywhere, obnoxious icons. Vanilla XP was ugly, but it was at least possible to change just about everything around to your liking. |
I'm pretty sure it still is themable, and more easily. Anyway, Mac OS X is about twice as glossy and obnoxious: I feel Vista strikes a good balance between serious-looking and ooh shiny. |
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psiga
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| Broco wrote: |
| I'm pretty sure it still is themable, and more easily. |
I have been so far unable to get an unofficial third-party theme to work on Vista. I would say that it's no easier than XP; at least with XP I did manage to actually get it to work eventually.
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Talbain
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Even though themexp is a shovelware piece of shit, it makes custom themes on XP extremely easy. When I used it (for a brief period), I could pretty seamlessly switch through about 15 themes (most downloaded). With Vista... well it's got themes available, but man does it make your computer go slooooooow until it fully switches (also not as easy as themexp). Even .msstyles, which are XP's integrated Windows XP stylesheets are good for themes on XP. Thus, if you like Aero, you'll love Vista. But if you want something a little less glossy, you're sort of out of luck.
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| I think computers should have flat uninteresting interfaces. Especially if Im trying to get work done. |
I strongly agree with this. An OS should be just a tool that doesn't get in my way. |
There's this scene in the movie Charlie Wilson's War when a contributor's waiting in Charlie's office and he notices that all of Charlie's pages and secretaries are beautiful, sexy women. One of them tells the man, "Charlie always said- 'You can teach them to type, but you can't teach them to grow tits.'"
So if you're going to spend 4, 8, 10+ hours a day five days a week, why not something that's a little aesthetically pleasing? Even if it isn't exactly perfect at first, eventually Vista will be better. For example, when I install it on my computer, it only recognizes 3GB of my 4GB installed. A few updates later, it recognizes all 4GB. Wow! |
I lok at a pretty OS and think to myself: Why waste all that man power getting transparencies to work when you cold have been focusing on fixing crippling bugs, improving sound playback/recording quality or reducing processor overhead. Form is cute, form is for web pages and entertainment. I want function in an OS; speed is sexier than colors.
Would you rather have a flat gray boxy sports car with perfect handling or a sloppy bloated slow minivan that looks like a Lamborghini?
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extrabastardformula
millmuck holecutter
Joined: 01 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:18 pm |
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Fuck y'all. The volume controls in vista more than make up for how it looks before you tweak the themes.
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sawtooth
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Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: flashback
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:22 pm |
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broco get your eyes checked ;/
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