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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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 Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:07 am |
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Guys, I went to Vista recently and now I just crash a lot :(
So even though my account is an administrator, I have to run applications as administrator when I need admin privileges? Also, is there a way I can keep the new alt-tab and taskbar thumbnails while still getting rid of the rest of Aero? |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:17 am |
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| Your firewire is jealous? |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:11 am |
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| DonMarco wrote: |
| TheUser wrote: |
| So even though my account is an administrator, I have to run applications as administrator when I need admin privileges? |
I'm not sure what you mean. Is your admin account the only one active? Or are you logging in to a different account without admin privileges? Either that or the applications are only installed for the admin account.
Is this for all games/applications, or just certain ones? |
I've been crashing when trying to play WoW, but I've also crashed multiple times while attempting Windows Update. It happens every time I try to login to WoW and only occasionally while checking Windows Update. I thought it was a graphics issue, but I just played Left 4 Dead on high settings for 15 minutes fine. The admin thing I was talking about is just that my account is an administrator, but when I right click .exes, I get a "Run as Administrator" option. It just made me wonder if I only have admin privileges when I use that option of something now. |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 7:58 am |
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| Toptube wrote: |
| TheUser wrote: |
Guys, I went to Vista recently and now I just crash a lot :(
So even though my account is an administrator, I have to run applications as administrator when I need admin privileges? Also, is there a way I can keep the new alt-tab and taskbar thumbnails while still getting rid of the rest of Aero? |
Update or fresh install?
Did you let Vista automatically install drivers for anything from its own built-in pool of drivers?
how much ram?
Nvidia or ATI?----and, what model?
have you for certain, ruled out a ram problem? |
First off, thanks for taking an interest!
I was using XP Pro 64-bit before and I installed Vista over it. I didn't reformat; The installer moved the old Documents and Settings, Windows, Program Files, and Program Files (x86) into Windows.old. (That's actually a nifty feature.) Everything was fine in my XP installation. I only moved to Vista because my XP was pirated and my Vista was legitimate. Plus, I wanted to at least be knowledgeable about Vista. After the OS install I immediately installed my device drivers. I didn't "let" Vista install any drivers of its own unless it was automatic. I did a memory test under XP just to make sure that it was working. I haven't rechecked it in Vista. Here's my hardware:
MSI P45 Neo-F mobo. P45 / ICH10
Intel Core 2 Duo Wolfdale 2.53 GHz
4 GB DDR2 1066 RAM
GeForce 8800 GT 512 MB
Rosewill 802.11 b/g PCI card
I installed all my motherboard, wifi, and nVidia drivers immediately upon installing Vista, followed by Windows updates. I'm using Vista Business 64-bit.
It's crashed twice when trying to do Windows updates. It crashes every time I pick a character in my copy of WoW installed to an internal drive. It crashes randomly but after a few minutes, not immediately, when I run my copy of WoW that's on my USB external drive. I have no idea why it would run better from an external yet still crash regardless. |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 5:15 pm |
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| falsedan wrote: |
| the only decent 64-bit OS for users is OS X in my experience; ugh, Win XP 64-bit, how did you get anything done? |
Everything worked fine for me except one application I needed to use for school. MATLAB maybe? DSCH? Microwind? I'm not sure which one wouldn't work, but all of those are picky as hell anyways.
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| you're using 4GB so Vista x86 can handle all that; is there any particular need for you to use a 64-bit environment? |
It seemed like a waste since the cpu is 64-bit. I also read some conflicting information about the memory limit in Vista x86 being either 3 GB or 4 GB and wanted to be safe.
I'm going to be away from my PC until Christmas night, so while I can reply and follow the thread, I won't be able to do anything with my PC. Thanks guys! |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2008 11:47 pm |
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| Toptube wrote: |
That is most likely the problem right there. Doing upgrade installs with Windows is sort of like Russian Roulette for your computer.
Just in case though, the drivers you installed, did you download the latest from their respective websites? or were they just drivers you've had sitting on a disc for a few months? |
I thought the Vista upgrade would go better than previous versions' because it doesn't really keep any previous data of settings; it just moved it into Windows.old. I used the latest drivers from the manufacturers' sites. I'll try reformatting fresh next time I get the chance. |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 8:09 am |
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| Toptube wrote: |
| That is most likely the problem right there. Doing upgrade installs with Windows is sort of like Russian Roulette for your computer. |
I just reformatted and reinstalled Vista. First thing I did was install video drivers and reboot. Next I installed my PCI wifi card's drivers. Then I tried to do Windows Update. After the first update it asked me to reformat. While doing Windows Update the second time, it froze again. Event log shows a bunch of errors with Windows Update too. |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2008 6:45 pm |
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| Toptube wrote: |
Another person who had this problem received the following suggestion in a forum post:
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Make sure that these Services are set to Automatic:
Automatic Updates
Event Log
Make sure that Background Intelligent Transfer Service [BITS] is at
least set to Manual and can be Started in the Services console
[ Start > Run > services.msc ]
Then open Internet Options in the Control Panel
Click the Programs tab
Now click the Manage add-ons button
Make sure that the WuWebControl Class add-on is not disabled
Make sure that any add-on associated with BOClean *is* Disabled
If the DataStore.ebd has become damaged then the only recourse will be
to delete it and start over. All that does is delete the History that is
viewable on the WindowsUpdate site |
Hopefully this helps you! |
No add-on resembling either of those were listed. I did a quick Google of WuWebControl, and I found that it uses a .dll only used in XP. I also have only done the one round of Windows Update because after I posted last night, I ran Check Disk on one of my partitions and went to bed. I thought I heard that click and whir sound yesterday that HDDs make when they lose power... the one they should not make while the computer is on. Anyways, there was no problem with it, but I have one other partition (the system one) to scan. |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 6:05 am |
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| Toptube wrote: |
| If you really feel that your hard drive may be dying, get the manufacturer's diagnostic tools from their website. Check disc doesn't warn you about/or fix your hardrive, it just fixes file system errors that may have resulted from hardrive problems. |
Thanks, I feel stupid for not realizing that.
My PC has been freezing only at two times, during Windows Updates and in WoW. It freezes only rarely during updates but every time I run WoW from my internal HDD. Now I managed to login to WoW multiple times and play just fine.
I can't know for sure that everything's fine, but WoW used to always crash and now seems fine. I did a couple things. First, when I went to try S.T.A.L.K.E.R. it required me to download a DirectX 9.0c patch. It apparently effects only games that use 9.0c and not 10. I also found that in Device Manager, SMBus had a problem. I found this, and although Intel says to install that driver first thing after your OS and before any other drivers, I went ahead and installed it. I'm sure that there wasn't a problem with that on my first Vista install, but I don't think I even checked Device Manager after the format like I should have. Anyways, the last thing I did was install WoW. I never actually installed it here; I just run it off an external. I've always done that, and it's worked on other Vista computers that didn't have WoW installed, so I didn't thing that could be the problem.
I don't know exactly what fixed it or if possibly I'm just having good luck, because once before I was able to login to WoW. I'm confident and hopeful though since I was able to play multiple times without problem. Hopefully it's not just that installing WoW fixed the WoW freezing because it did freeze outside of it as well. I guess time will tell for now. |
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TheUser
Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Irvine, CA
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| Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2008 7:35 am |
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| I don't have that hotfix installed. Yeah, I had SP1 installed during the upgrade-install also. It still hasn't crashed, so this is looking good! Thanks for all the help. |
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