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Mr. Mechanical
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:37 am        Reply with quote

Also, hell, if you guys want to argue about Israel/Palestine go right ahead. I won't stop you. However I should make it clear that I'm still expecting people to post neat little news articles as they find them and such, regardless of what else people are arguing about at the moment.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:40 am        Reply with quote

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No really, I just get pretty mad that almost 1000 people have died so far, their homes are rubble and they're trapped in an enclave, while the media always finds a way to put a pro-israeli spin on things. It vexes me.


Yeah it's a shit situation through and through, but that's the result of America being Israel's only major ally in the world or whatever. Hooray for semi-state-controlled media! Personally I'd just as soon say screw Israel but when have regular people (as in not politicians) ever had a say in this situation.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:23 pm        Reply with quote

Al-Jazeera coverage on this is pretty good. Not only they're on the terrain in Gaza (since they're not "western reporters"), they are balancing both sides of the conflict better than regular european coverage (that tends to side to Palestine anyways, and is mostly run by hot air and hearsays since they can't actually be there).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:30 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
NASCAR's on the ropes as well, not that hardly anyone at SB would care.


Well, actually, I almost care. I should be more correct and say my dad cares, so I end up talking about it with him. Which is not to say he actually likes NASCAR as much as racing in general, and thanks to the IRL's stupid bullshit and such, NASCAR is pretty much all that is lef tin terms of major American racing leagues anymore.

NASCAR being on the rope sis no surprise, considering they've become almost a Spec league, whereas what used to be interesting about the league (i.e. all the "cheating" in the pits and garages where teams tried to eek the most out of their car without breaking the rules, or getting caught) has been thrown to the side, and everyone is basically driving the same car around a boring oval, and ugh it's super boring now.

So yeah, that is my only mildly informed opinion, but I'd love to hear more.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:53 pm        Reply with quote

I'm not a huge expert, but here's the article that piqued my interest:

http://www.slate.com/id/2206711/
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:40 am        Reply with quote

Ex Air Force fighter pilot Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III, 57, of Danville, Calif crash landed an Airbus 320 (passenger jet) into the hudson river. Witnesses said it looked like a controlled gliding descent, pulled up a bit at the last second. Plane intact, every passenger walked out.

Flight 1549

"He walked the plane twice after everybody else was off, and tried to verify that there was nobody else on board, and he assures us there was not."

"He was the last one up the aisle and he made sure that there was nobody behind him."

http://www.king5.com/topstories/stories/NW_011509NAB_us-airways-crash-seattle_JM.764e272.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:31 am        Reply with quote

Fucking A. That's how it's done, gentlemen.

Makes me wonder why the FUCK we think Navy has the best pilots...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:50 am        Reply with quote

dumbest shit i ever read
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:54 am        Reply with quote

Too bad you already voted for him, suckers.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:57 am        Reply with quote

for fucks sake someone just needs to nuke us off the map
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:11 am        Reply with quote

That's just as dumb as the people in that article.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 5:42 am        Reply with quote

well yeah

you expect an intelligent response to that?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:53 pm        Reply with quote

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Too bad you already voted for him, suckers.

yeah what the fuck
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:55 pm        Reply with quote

and two more, completely unrelated

http://www.european-viewpoint.com/nekkid-blogger/the-bare-breast-movement-wants-female-breasts-de-sexualized/

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2009/01/23/encyclopaedia-brittanica-goes-wiki/1
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:18 pm        Reply with quote

I don't know whether it's relevent to the thread but could Chuplayer explain his sig? Quote for others, semi-intrigue for me.

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Boycotting Digital Press for blatant anti-Semitism.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 12:22 am        Reply with quote

Not really a current event but I just found the link to this really cool panoramic high resolution photo of the inauguration. Be sure to zoom in all the way and see Bush and Cheney's expressions, or all the huddled masses freezing their asses off further out. It's truly astounding how close in you can zoom and still be at a really decent resolution.

Also I haven't really noticed it until now but the first lady is a bit of a looker. What a nice change of pace.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2009 2:41 am        Reply with quote

Hey, I was there. Not in the picture though, since I wasn't on the Mall, I was on Pennsylvania.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 3:54 pm        Reply with quote

Fuck Yes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/05forensics.html?_r=1&th&emc=th
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:42 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
Fuck Yes.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/us/05forensics.html?_r=1&th&emc=th


Quote:
"It concludes that Congress should create a[nother] federal agency"


Because that's always such a great idea, right?

Not saying forensic crime labs couldn't do without some sort of reform or at least be held to higher standards, but do we really need to expand the government to do it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 7:57 pm        Reply with quote

We probably do. There's no "forensic science" version of CLIA, the Clinical Laboratory Improvement Act, which was enacted in the 80's and forms the basis for all clinical research experiments - double blind protocols, oversight and accreditation, etc. The thing is, clinical research is done by 1. pharmaceutical corporations, 2. big private universities and 3. the federal government so they can fund such procedures themselves. Since forensic labs will almost certainly remain under state/local control, without federal funding they won't be able to implement higher scientific standards. But with federal funding comes federal oversight, because otherwise there's no way to be certain that the funding is being used properly.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:07 am        Reply with quote

Visit sunny Falluja.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:40 am        Reply with quote

Lick Meth wrote:
I don't know whether it's relevent to the thread but could Chuplayer explain his sig? Quote for others, semi-intrigue for me.

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Boycotting Digital Press for blatant anti-Semitism.


DP mods think Jews are pansies. I'm no bleeding heart for Jews, but I know assholes when I see them.

It wouldn't have annoyed me at all if DP wasn't a real video game store. It's one thing to be a stupid website, but if you're going to be a stupid business, you suck.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:07 am        Reply with quote

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2009/02/arts_bashing.html

also, OLPC is now open-hardware
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 3:42 am        Reply with quote

http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/open-source-goes-washington
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:54 pm        Reply with quote

some fucking bullshit
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:22 am        Reply with quote

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some fucking bullshit

Jesus that is some fucking bullshit. How did this not get thrown out?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 3:36 am        Reply with quote

Meh. I mean, it's stupid, but consider the meaning of the case's disposition. The only thing that happened is that that the judge said "this case can go to trial," which forced the website to settle. But, there was no ruling on the merits - the website may have won. More importantly, it's just some shitty district court and nothing really matters til it hits the appellate level anyway.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:53 pm        Reply with quote

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Meh. I mean, it's stupid, but consider the meaning of the case's disposition. The only thing that happened is that that the judge said "this case can go to trial," which forced the website to settle. But, there was no ruling on the merits - the website may have won. More importantly, it's just some shitty district court and nothing really matters til it hits the appellate level anyway.

that's much less bad

something else! this is kind of hilarious
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2009 6:53 am        Reply with quote

fred phelps and his daughter have been barred from entering the UK

I support free speech and all but as far as censorship goes, this is a pretty good trend if you're going to do such
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:34 pm        Reply with quote

Flight 253 passenger: Sharp-dressed man aided terror suspect Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab onto plane without passport

The passenger, Kurt Haskell, made some comments under the name "pug" in the comments section.

Kurt Haskell wrote:
Today is the second worst day of my life after 12-25-09. Today is the day that I realized that my own country is lying to me and all of my fellow Americans. Let me explain.

Ever since I got off of Flight 253 I have been repeating what I saw in US Customs. Specifically, 1 hour after we left the plane, bomb sniffing dogs arrived. Up to this point, all of the passengers on Flight 253 stood in a small area in an evacuated luggage claim area of an airport terminal. During this time period, all of the passengers had their carry on bags with them. When the bomb sniffing dogs arrived, 1 dog found something in a carry on bag of a 30 ish Indian man. This is not the so called "Sharp Dressed" man. I will refer to this man as "The man in orange". The man in orange, who stood some 20ft away from me the entire time until he was taken away, was immediately taken away to be searched and interrogated in a nearby room. At this time he was not handcuffed. When he emerged from the room, he was then handcuffed and taken away. At this time an FBI agent came up to the rest of the passengers and said the following (approximate quote) "You all are being moved to another area because this area is not safe. I am sure many of you saw what just happened (Referring to the man in orange) and are smart enough to read between the lines and figure it out." We were then marched out of the baggage claim area and into a long hallway. This entire time period and until we left customs, no person that wasn't a law enforcement personnel or a passenger on our flight was allowed anywhere on our floor of the terminal (or possibly the entire terminal) The FBI was so concerned during this time, that we were not allowed to use the bathroom unless we went alone with an FBI agent, we were not allowed to eat or drink, or text or call anyone. I have been repeating this same story over the last 5 days. The FBI has, since we landed, insisted that only one man was arrested for the airliner attack (contradicting my account). However, several of my fellow passengers have come over the past few days, backed up my claim, and put pressure on FBI/Customs to tell the truth. Early today, I heard from two different reporters that a federal agency (FBI or Customs) was now admitting that another man has been held (and will be held indefinitely) since our flight landed for "immigration reasons." Notice that this man was "being held" and not "arrested", which was a cute semantic ploy by the FBI to stretch the truth and not lie.

Just a question, could that mean that the man in orange had no passport?

However, a few hours later, Customs changed its story again. This time, Mr. Ron Smith of Customs, says the man that was detained "had been taken into custody, but today tells the news the person was a passenger on a different flight." Mr. Ron Smith, you are playing the American public for a fool. Lets take a look at how plausible this story is (After you've already changed it twice). For the story to be true, you have to believe, that:

1. FBI/Customs let passengers from another flight co-mingle with the passengers of flight 253 while the most important investigation in 8 years was pending. I have already stated that not one person who wasn't a passenger or law enforcement personnal was in our area the entire time we were detained by Customs.
2. FBI/Customs while detaining the flight 253 passengers in perhaps the most important investigation since the last terrorist attack, and despite not letting any flight 253 passenger drink, eat, make a call, or use the bathroom, let those of other flights trample through the area and possibly contaminate evidence.
3. You have to believe the above (1 and 2) despite the fact that no flights during this time allowed passengers to exit off of the planes at all and were detained on the runway during at least the first hour of our detention period.
4. You have to believe that the man that stood 20 feet from me since we entered customs came from a mysterious plane that never landed, let its passengers off the plane and let this man sneak into our passenger group despite having extremely tight security at this time (i.e. no drinking even).
5. FBI/Customs was hauling mysterious passengers from other flights through the area we were being held to possibly comtaminate evidence and allow discussions with suspects on Flight 253 or to possibly allow the exchange of bombs, weapons or other devices between the mysterious passengers from other flights and those on flight 253.

Seriously Mr. Ron Smith, how stupid do you think the American public is?

Mr. Ron Smith's third version of the story is an absolute inplausible joke. I encourage you, Mr. Ron Smith, to debate me anytime, anywhere, and anyplace in public to let the American people see who is credible and who is not.

I ask, isn't this the more plausible story:

1. Customs/FBI realized that they screwed up and don't want to admit that they left flight 253 passengers on a flight with a live bomb on the runway for 20 minutes.
2. Customs/FBI realized that they screwed up and don't want to admit that they left flight 253 passengers in customs for 1 hour with a live bomb in a carry on bag.
3. Customs/FBI realize that the man in orange points to a greater involvement then the lone wolf theory that they have been promoting.

Mr. Ron Smith I encourage you to come out of your cubicle and come up with a more plausible version number 4 of your story.


He made another comment on a different article on the same website.

Kurt Haskell wrote:
For the last five days I have been reporting my story of the so called "sharp dressed man." For those of you who haven't read my account, itinvolves a sharp dressed "Indian man" attempting to talk a ticket agent into letting a supposed "Sudanese refugee" (The terrorist) onto flight 253 without a passport. I have never had any idea how it played out except to note that the so called "Sudanese reefugee" later boarded my flight and attempted to blow it up and kill me. At no time did my story involve, or even find important whether the terrorist actually had a passport. The importance of my story was and always will be, the attempt with an accomplice (apparently succesful) of a terrorist with all sorts of prior terrorist warning signs to skirt the normal passport boarding procedures in Amsterdam. By the way, Amsterdam security did come out the other day and admit that the terrorist did not have to "Go through normal passport checking procedures".



Amsterdam security, please define to the American public "Normal passport boarding procedures".

You see the FBI would have the American public believe that what was important was whether the terrorist in fact had a passport.

Seriously think about this people. You have a suicide bomber who had recently been to Yemen to but a bomb, whose father had reported him as a terrorist, who supposedly was on some kind of U.S. terror watchlist, and most likely knew the U.S. was aware of these red flags. Yet, he didn't go through "Normal passport checking procedures." What does that mean? Maybe that he flashed a passport to some sort of sympathetic security manager in a backroom to avoid a closer look at the terrorist's "red flags"? What is important is that the terrorist avoided using normal passport checking procedures (apparently successfully) in order to avoid a closer look into his red flags. Who cares if he had a passport. The important thing is that he didn't want to show it and somehow avoided a closer inspection and "normal passport checking procedures." Each passport comes with a bar code on it that can be scanned to provide a wealth of information about the individual. I would bet that the passport checking procedures for the terrorist did not include a bar code scan of his passport (which could have revealed damning information about the terrorist).

Please note that there is a very easy way to verify the veracity of my prior "sharp dressed man" account. Dutch police have admitted that they have reviewed the video of the "sharp dressed man" that I referenced. Note that it has not been released anywhere, You see, if my eye witness account is false, it could easily be proven by releasing the video. However, the proof of my eyewitness account would also be verified if I am telling the truth and I am. There is a reason we have only heard of the video and not seen it. dutch authorities, "RELEASE THE VIDEO!" This is the most important video in 8 years and may be all of two minutes long. Show the entire video and "DO NOT EDIT IT"! The American public deserves its own chance to attempt to identify the "sharp dressed man". I have no doubt that if the video indicated that my account was wrong, that the video would have already swept over the entire world wide web.

Instead of the video, we get a statment that the video has been viewed and that the terrorist had a passport. Each of these statements made by the FBI is a self serving play on semantics and each misses the importance of my prior "sharp dressed man" account. The importance being that the man "Tried to board the plane with an accomplice and without a passort". The other significance is that only the airport security video can verify my eyewitness account and that it is not being released.

Who has the agenda here and who doesn't? Think about that for a minute.


Pretty wild if it's really him making these comments and he's telling the truth.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:23 pm        Reply with quote

Sup Mech! You turned me onto Glenn Greenwald, and I in turn am sharing an analysis of his on the state of our national wars.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:41 pm        Reply with quote

Greenwald <3 <3
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:32 pm        Reply with quote

Greenwald wrote:
And when we do that, not only can we expect that we are going to suffer the kinds of casualties that you just described, but we’re going to be bringing the kinds of deaths, not only to Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters, but also to civilians, as just happened as well, according to Afghan officials, exactly the kind of death to civilians and to Muslims that cause and exacerbate the very threat that we’re purportedly trying to undermine.

Is anyone else exasperated with this brand of glib masochism?

Funny how he refers to Iraq and Afghanistan as "Muslim countries." I wonder how Mr. Greenwald would feel if I continually referred to the US as a "Christian country" in foreign policy debates.
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He would probably agree with that since 76% of the US population claims to be Christian, as do the majority its political leadership.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 11:43 pm        Reply with quote

Mh. Thanks for that Greenwald vid. Really nice perspective.

His talking about the people killed in air strikes reminds me of... let's see if I can find the stories...

This is a start: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2009/05/around-the-hindu-kush-30-is-a-magic-number-an-update.html



And there was another which I'm not finding now, but whatever. Basically it was outlining the 'magic numbers' of modern war, insomuch as what number you'd need in order to justify a UAV strike (about 30), and what number of civvie casualties you'd need in order for it to be considered newsworthy enough for international media to throw a fit (I thought it was about 20, though memory is hazy).

But as the Greenwald vid points out, these towns care plenty about 8 here, 12 there, 5 there; and their news sources are willing to cover it while ours aren't.

I am still, nearly a decade later, wondering why CIA and military industrial complex are insisting on large scale wars against vaguely defined and asymmetrically-inclined enemies. The ol' "perpetual war for perpetual peace" saw? Too much money and prestige in it for the lifers? People in charge who shouldn't be in charge but get to stay in charge because there's no democracy in their bureaucracy?
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luckily barrack obama was here to change everything for the college students and bloggers
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:15 am        Reply with quote

O-dogg was surprised at how little influence the president actually has while presiding. I kinda doubt that he's personally into this whole surge in Afghanistan idea, or the Yemen thing, or the Pakistan thinnngg.... As I see it, he is either privy to sensible information which we are not, or he has no choice in the whole ugly matter and just has to play figurehead to placate the masses.

Either way:


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:18 pm        Reply with quote

New interview with that Kurt Haskell fellow.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:06 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
Funny how he refers to Iraq and Afghanistan as "Muslim countries." I wonder how Mr. Greenwald would feel if I continually referred to the US as a "Christian country" in foreign policy debates.

Outside of Kabul, Afghanistan is governed by Islamists so it's not entirely inaccurate.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:25 pm        Reply with quote

True enough, but that's not the force of his phrase, which is that such countries are essentially identifiable as Muslim and therefore our entire foreign policy has to be tooled with that fact in mind. I don't believe our First Amendment allows use of the American military to establish theocracies in other states.
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Today in America:

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