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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:13 am        Reply with quote

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Tonight I'll watch The Descent.


I'm guessing you didn't get to it yet, but that movie made me go "YAARGH!" because it such a good setup and decent acting and spectacular terrifying use of claustrophobia and wonderful cinematography and sound design. But then it turned into this "idiot women get themselves into a tight spot!" boring piece of shit, where they all repeatedly lose the skill and reason they've already demonstrated they possess.

And the whole thing is set into motion by a cave-in. Fuck. There's just nothing to say about that.

It wouldn't bother me at all, had Marshall not started with the makings of a simply amazing psychological horror movie. But what a waste.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 5:16 pm        Reply with quote

rabite gets whacked! wrote:
antitype wrote:
Tonight I'll watch The Descent.


I'm guessing you didn't get to it yet, but that movie made me go "YAARGH!" because it such a good setup and decent acting and spectacular terrifying use of claustrophobia and wonderful cinematography and sound design. But then it turned into this "idiot women get themselves into a tight spot!" boring piece of shit, where they all repeatedly lose the skill and reason they've already demonstrated they possess.

And the whole thing is set into motion by a cave-in. Fuck. There's just nothing to say about that.

It wouldn't bother me at all, had Marshall not started with the makings of a simply amazing psychological horror movie. But what a waste.


Oh man, I could not agree more. The first half moves along so well, its entertaining, and their fate is unpredictable, and all that. But then after that Cave-In it just becomes exactly what you DON'T want it to become, and thats a complete flip from the first half. Basically what I boils down to, is the first half makes you forget that this guy made Dog Soldiers, and the second half makes you think "Oh yeah, this is the guy who made fucking Dog Soldiers!"
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rabite gets whacked! wrote:
antitype wrote:
Tonight I'll watch The Descent.

I'm guessing you didn't get to it yet, but that movie made me go "YAARGH!" because it such a good setup and decent acting and spectacular terrifying use of claustrophobia and wonderful cinematography and sound design. But then it turned into this "idiot women get themselves into a tight spot!" boring piece of shit, where they all repeatedly lose the skill and reason they've already demonstrated they possess.

And the whole thing is set into motion by a cave-in. Fuck. There's just nothing to say about that.

It wouldn't bother me at all, had Marshall not started with the makings of a simply amazing psychological horror movie. But what a waste.

No, I did see it, and I actually really liked it. I would say that after the cave-in (which was admittedly a too-convenient plot device) they didn't just become "idiot women in a tight spot", they freaked the fuck out becauses claustrophobia really messes with your head. And the bit with the spunky girl running toward what she thought was daylight and then sliding down the hole and breaking her leg... well, yes, at that point the gruesome physical horror element was ramped up and I don't really have a problem with that -- because it was still very psychological, albeit less subtly and to brutal effect. The crawlers were pretty menacing at first -- these feral, hungry beasts that looked humanoid, fighting to drag off a body like a big slab of meat while Juno when apeshit (not in a GET AWAY FROM HER YOU BITCH way, but a desperate, crying and screaming and WHY THE FUCK IS THIS HAPPENING THIS IS ALL WRONG kind of way) and fought them off... And that was the key, I think: they didn't just get stupid, they lost their fucking heads. Understandably, I'd say! So obviously there wasn't as much room for nuanced acting and tone-setting, because AAAAAGGGGHHHH!!! You had to know it was going to come to that when you sat down to watch this movie, anyway, if you'd seen any of the previews. And the way the it all ended was brutally and nightmarishly perfect (I saw the DVD with the director's intended ending, which I hear was slightly different from that of the North American theatrical release). I suppose I do wish they'd spent a bit more time fleshing out Sarah's descent into madness and making her choice to leave Juno for dead somewhat less forced, but still, I enjoyed it.

I've never seen Dog Soldiers.
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Well I think I saw the trailer once, and thought it looked okay. And it was suddenly getting these good reviews, and rented it off netflix. So when I watched it, the first half was like "Wow, this is a million times better than I thought it was going to be!" So when the second half took the turn it did, it was just a total punch in the gut to the first half experience. The main problem for me was that they made it so Actiony, and it was really shitty Sci-Fi channel original TV show acton. The fact that there was a whole bunch of the monsters was boring, and the girls started to stop acting good and became generic screamers. It just sucked.

I mainly blame the shitty action in the second half.
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It probably could have been a better film if there were no crawlers at all and the whole descent into madness thing was more psychological, more Deliverance or Apocalypse Now. I still liked it, and would watch it again.
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It probably could have been a better film if there were no crawlers at all and the whole descent into madness thing was more psychological, more Deliverance or Apocalypse Now. I still liked it, and would watch it again.


Yeah thats where I thought it was going to be taken. Plus for some reason I also thought there was going to be like ONE creature, not a whole crew. One creature would have ruled.
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well, the ending sets up a sequel, so!
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It probably could have been a better film if there were no crawlers at all and the whole descent into madness thing was more psychological, more Deliverance or Apocalypse Now.

The Shining was what I was thinking. I mean, the visions are already in place. But yeah, it was really what I was hoping for.
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chompers po pable wrote:
well, the ending sets up a sequel, so!


I think the american theatrical one might, but the director's cut certainly doesn't.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:45 pm        Reply with quote

American ending is horrible and an insult to intelligence. They basically just cut it short. It continues on just a little beyond Sarah's escape.

And I fucking loved Dog Soldiers, and had no problems with this film.
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rabite gets whacked! wrote:
antitype wrote:
It probably could have been a better film if there were no crawlers at all and the whole descent into madness thing was more psychological, more Deliverance or Apocalypse Now.

The Shining was what I was thinking. I mean, the visions are already in place. But yeah, it was really what I was hoping for.

Those are some pretty lofty expectations! I'd think so, anyway, considering I skipped out on seeing it in the theater because the previews made it look like a fucking Marilyn Manson video trip. I knew there was going to be a big dumb monster movie quality to it. But then people started talking about how great it was and including it on their top 10 of '06 lists, so... Yeah, after the previews set my hopes for it so low, I was pleasantly surprised.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:41 pm        Reply with quote

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American ending is horrible and an insult to intelligence.

i haven't seen the director's cut, so yeah. makes it seem like a sequel set up.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:04 pm        Reply with quote

I enjoyed The Descent but was left feeling.. unmoved?

There was just something thoroughly unremarkable about it, I guess. And I'm all for movies about being in isolation going bonkers.

But! I will always have a special place in my heart for Dog Soldiers despite its rather derivative Nature because of one very important thing:

Werewolf fist fight.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 8:46 pm        Reply with quote

watched Blue Velvet today, and on the "enhanced" dvd's special features menu there's a clip of siskel and ebert's take on the film, in which ebert makes an ass out of himself. good times.
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chompers po pable wrote:
watched Blue Velvet today, and on the "enhanced" dvd's special features menu there's a clip of siskel and ebert's take on the film, in which ebert makes an ass out of himself. good times.


I agree with Siskel, it is a good song. But certainly a fucked up song.
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Guys Casino Royal is a good movie
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What I want to say is, practically every DVD store in town has a pretty exhaustive collection of Shaw Bros. movies. As watching these films will count as practicing Chinese, can anyone who knows stuff about this kind of stuff tell me what some of the good ones are? Preferably something that has lots of guys kicking each other in the head a lot.


36th Chamber of Shaolin, Come Drink With Me, One Armed Swordsman are classics that I enjoyed a lot.

There's also a Shaw Bros flick called Dirty Ho starring Gordon Liu as Master Wang which I really, really need to see.


Is one armed swordsman the same one armed boxer as the one in master of the flying guillotine? I noticed another flying guillotine movie as well. Is there inter-studio kung fu movie canon?

The stores don't seem to have a very good selection of the more famous classics, the 36 Chambers is one that I knew of and was looking for and all they have are weird spinoffs and sequels and stuff. I wonder if the more well-known ones are harder to license for massively cheap distribution or something. Or maybe they have different english titles here than they normally do or something? I might have seen Come Drink With Me on the shelf though, I'll look for it.

Also Shrugtheironteacup your honor (and avatar) demands that you cough up some shaw bros. recommendations.
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Also Shrugtheironteacup your honor (and avatar) demands that you cough up some shaw bros. recommendations.


People have already hit on the obvious ones. :(

That said!

I'll toss out Eight-Diagram Pole Fighter. I don't even know if it has a legitimate (relatively) easily avilable region 1 release, but it comes with both monks (and Gordon Liu) tearing out people's teeth with sticks and the Wu-Tang seal of approval.

I could never find subtitles for it that worked, so hell if I could tell what was going on when they weren't beating people with sticks.
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I watched Mike Judges Idiocracy today, and was really surprised at how much I liked it. It just kept making me do that laughs where you just sort of blurt them out of nowhere. There are just many things that they thought of that trigger thoughts of what people actually do today. Like the only fabric that seems to exist is Basketball jersey material, which is more of 90's thing, but still rings true.

It really makes no sense why this did not end up in theaters, it would have been really easy to market, and I think people would find it funny. One of those odd Hollywood moves.
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I watched Mike Judges Idiocracy today, and was really surprised at how much I liked it. It just kept making me do that laughs where you just sort of blurt them out of nowhere. There are just many things that they thought of that trigger thoughts of what people actually do today. Like the only fabric that seems to exist is Basketball jersey material, which is more of 90's thing, but still rings true.

It really makes no sense why this did not end up in theaters, it would have been really easy to market, and I think people would find it funny. One of those odd Hollywood moves.

I found that movie dreadfully boring. Not only is it obvious, but all the best jokes are delivered as voiceovers, rather than as, you know, jokes. In the movie. I dunno, I was just completely underwhelmed. Certainly does not stand up to its Office Space pedigree by any means.
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I watched Mike Judges Idiocracy today, and was really surprised at how much I liked it. It just kept making me do that laughs where you just sort of blurt them out of nowhere. There are just many things that they thought of that trigger thoughts of what people actually do today. Like the only fabric that seems to exist is Basketball jersey material, which is more of 90's thing, but still rings true.

It really makes no sense why this did not end up in theaters, it would have been really easy to market, and I think people would find it funny. One of those odd Hollywood moves.

I found that movie dreadfully boring. Not only is it obvious, but all the best jokes are delivered as voiceovers, rather than as, you know, jokes. In the movie. I dunno, I was just completely underwhelmed. Certainly does not stand up to its Office Space pedigree by any means.


Its not like Office Space, no. And I think it would be hard to make the jokes less obvious with the theme, everyone being so unimaginably stupid. Its not a sophisticated comedy what-so-ever, but just up front nonsense stupid humor. I did not think I would laugh as much as I did at all the crass humor, but I did. Its completely understandalbe to dislike it, but I would say its worth a watch. Plus its only 80 minutes.
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Wall of Beef wrote:
I watched Mike Judges Idiocracy today, and was really surprised at how much I liked it. It just kept making me do that laughs where you just sort of blurt them out of nowhere. There are just many things that they thought of that trigger thoughts of what people actually do today. Like the only fabric that seems to exist is Basketball jersey material, which is more of 90's thing, but still rings true.

It really makes no sense why this did not end up in theaters, it would have been really easy to market, and I think people would find it funny. One of those odd Hollywood moves.

I found that movie dreadfully boring. Not only is it obvious, but all the best jokes are delivered as voiceovers, rather than as, you know, jokes. In the movie. I dunno, I was just completely underwhelmed. Certainly does not stand up to its Office Space pedigree by any means.


Its not like Office Space, no. And I think it would be hard to make the jokes less obvious with the theme, everyone being so unimaginably stupid. Its not a sophisticated comedy what-so-ever, but just up front nonsense stupid humor. I did not think I would laugh as much as I did at all the crass humor, but I did. Its completely understandalbe to dislike it, but I would say its worth a watch. Plus its only 80 minutes.

It's not as though sophomoric humor offends my delicate sensibilities! or anything. I just felt like, if you want to do social commentary, then actually do social commentary, right? Any 12 year old can dissect the worst parts of pop culture, exaggerate them to an extreme, and say the world is ending. (I mean, I did when I was 12.)

I'm not trying to say that the movie was preadolescent, but merely that its core message was facile and ultimately unhelpful. It didn't offer any solutions (smart people fuck more?) and wasn't incisive or hilarious enough to stand on its own as mere criticism.

It has more in common with Office Space than most people realize, I think, but the latter succeeded in its mission brilliantly while the former falls flat under the weight of its own premise.

I did dig the length, though. (No, that's not a veiled crack at how much I hate it or whatever.) More movies need to go back into that comfy 80-90 minute range.
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Just watched Stranger Than Fiction, and it was fantastic. Probably a very SELECTBUTTON kind of movie!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:40 am        Reply with quote

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Just watched Stranger Than Fiction, and it was fantastic. Probably a very SELECTBUTTON kind of movie!


I watched that last week and enjoyed it quite a bit as well. I found Dustin Hoffmans quiet obsession with coffee to very humorous.
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Just watched Stranger Than Fiction, and it was fantastic. Probably a very SELECTBUTTON kind of movie!


Man, I liked that movie a lot.

Did anyone else think that the writer and her assistant made the transition from masculine to feminine over the course of the movie?
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Just watched Stranger Than Fiction, and it was fantastic. Probably a very SELECTBUTTON kind of movie!


Did anyone else think that the writer and her assistant made the transition from masculine to feminine over the course of the movie?


I suppose I did not think of that at the time, but its true.
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I'm watching Tideland for the Gilliam factor but it's not holding my attenion very well, as evidenced by this post. I have the dual-audio version, so maybe I should just give up on the "narrative" and flip over to the commentary?
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Funny, I should be getting Tideland in the mail via Netflix tomorrow. I've heard good mostly things about it.
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It's picking up, actually. If I'd waited five more minutes before posting that I would have been like "whoa, this is pretty neat!"
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I freaking hated "Tideland" :(

Seriously, I thought it was pretty shitty. I was like "Nooo Terry whyy :("
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Also Shrugtheironteacup your honor (and avatar) demands that you cough up some shaw bros. recommendations.


People have already hit on the obvious ones. :(

That said!

I'll toss out Eight-Diagram Pole Fighter. I don't even know if it has a legitimate (relatively) easily avilable region 1 release, but it comes with both monks (and Gordon Liu) tearing out people's teeth with sticks and the Wu-Tang seal of approval.

I could never find subtitles for it that worked, so hell if I could tell what was going on when they weren't beating people with sticks.


Yeah! They had it!

Really decent subtitles too. Basically what happens is all of the guy's brothers get killed by barbarians, except for one who goes crazy. But the brothers were tricked by a rival family into going into a battle against guys who had those crazy weapons, the twisting ones. Ambushed basically. So anyway after this the main guy goes into hiding as a monk, even though the buddhists don't want him in the temple because he is clearly bloodthirsty with revenge. He refines his spear style into a pole style (practiced by the monks to keep wolves from attacking the temple) so he can combat the twisty staff things the bad guys have, then him and all the monks kick all the bad guys' asses. I guess you could probably gather all this without subtitles, though.

The teeth-ripping was because the monks were only trained to de-fang wolves, not actually kill them. Hence them being really good at ripping guys' teeth out. Also (spoilers) this movie ends with the main bad guy getting killed BY a coffin, which is amazing.

This was a good movie, except I feel like they saved all the awesome stuff for the last battle. The rest of it was pretty straightforward (but cool) fighting, then in the last 10 minutes there are like 5 gimmicks going on at once.

This is going to be the beginning of a really fine collection, I feel.
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My wife and I both loved Tideland. It did a fantastic job of capturing the innocence of children by forcing you to see everything though an adults eyes.
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I watched Children of Men again last night, but this time with my wife. She completly agrees with me that the ending is crap after dude dies on the boat.

She never agrees with me on that kind of stuff.

Really, this could be one of the greatest movies ever, but it wavers for two scenes and shows it's great weakness of needing to pander to the audience. Such a shame.
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I watched Children of Men again last night, but this time with my wife. She completly agrees with me that the ending is crap after dude dies on the boat.

She never agrees with me on that kind of stuff.

Really, this could be one of the greatest movies ever, but it wavers for two scenes and shows it's great weakness of needing to pander to the audience. Such a shame.

SPOILERS I GUESS

There like, barely is an ending after that.

You think it would have been better if she had just been abandoned and the boat had never come?
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I think the ending was just fine. Pandering to the audience would have been showing the two (and the baby) brought on board the Tomorrow and Theo resuscitated and "Yay, the hero lives and the human race is saved!" Showing the Tomorrow arrive while the presumed-dead Theo, Kee, and the baby still sit adrift in the rowboat was about the least they could have done without leaving open the possibility that they'd missed the boat entirely. The way it was wrapped up did so nicely without pandering at all: the boat arrives, which was the entire goal of the characters' little adventure through Warzone City, and fade to black. Eerie sounds of hope. The end.
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The way it was wrapped up did so nicely without pandering at all: the boat arrives, which was the entire goal of the characters' little adventure through Warzone City, and fade to black. Eerie sounds of hope. The end.


Yeah, I was totally satisfied.

The bleaker ending would have been interesting to see though. I would have felt really sympathetic for Kee, because I really like her as a character. I mean, just leaving her alone on a boat with the dead hero would have broken my heart a little. It would have been really memorable, for me at least. Just an ending full of despair and bleakness. It would have been awesome. Like the end of Sympathy for Mr. Venegance.

I woulda been like "aww, poor Kee. I hope she's okay" all in the middle of the night and shit.

But no, I really like the current ending! Seriously!

Also, Grindhouse is coming out this Friday. I'm looking forward to it. A lot!

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Just watched Stranger Than Fiction, and it was fantastic. Probably a very SELECTBUTTON kind of movie!


I think Stranger Than Fiction might be my favorite movie of last year. I saw it on a plane again recently, and cried during the, "you're asking me to knowingly face my certain death," scene with Hoffman and Farrell.

That scene kicks me in the stomach.

Also: Tim, I love your avatar. It's great.
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Not only that part of the ending but the children laughing and the upbeat music that bursts in from it. Sheesh.

The movie would have been a hell of a lot better with a bit more uncertainty.
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Not only that part of the ending but the children laughing and the upbeat music that bursts in from it. Sheesh.

The movie would have been a hell of a lot better with a bit more uncertainty.


I think I wrote in the Children of Men thread that the cinematographer wanted it to end with uncertainty.
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Just watched Stranger Than Fiction, and it was fantastic. Probably a very SELECTBUTTON kind of movie!


I think Stranger Than Fiction might be my favorite movie of last year. I saw it on a plane again recently, and cried during the, "you're asking me to knowingly face my certain death," scene with Hoffman and Farrell.

That scene kicks me in the stomach.


Oh, hell, yeah. I think that would be even more affecting the second time, because the first time I kept half-expecting Will Ferrell to be Will Ferrell and start screaming, "No! You're crazy! It's just a book, this is my life!" It really got me, though, when he got off the bus and returned the manuscript to the author: "I love your book." And sincerely placed his life in her hands.

You're looking quite lovely in your new avatar, by the way!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm        Reply with quote

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I think I wrote in the Children of Men thread that the cinematographer wanted it to end with uncertainty.

Well, he should have MANED THE FUCK UP and done it
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