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Scofflaw
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 Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: Mother 3 Translation Update |
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The Mother 3 translation team (not the Starmen.net one) just updated their website (http://www.mother3.org/), and the project seems to be coming along quite nicely. Most of the dialogue and items have already been translated, which I imagine is the lion's share of the work. It looks like there's still a lot of revising to be done, and depending on how much effort they put into it we could still be waiting for a while. But the light is right there at the end of the tunnel, and finally playing the game in English after an 11 year wait is going to feel pretty sweet.
Feel free to speculate wildly about when the patch will be completed! Personally I can't wait, and am playing Earthbound again in anticipation.
I'm in Fourside, FYI.
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secondpillow
Joined: 15 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:44 am |
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| Prediction: on the day the patch is released, Nintendo will announce the game's domestic release. |
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Scofflaw
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:57 am |
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| secondpillow wrote: |
| Prediction: on the day the patch is released, Nintendo will announce the game's domestic release. |
The fabled DS compilation would be awesome, but the guys at Starmen have some Nintendo contacts who say that the project isn't even a speck on the horizon. Take that for what it's worth, but no matter how you look at it prospects are grim.
Even if it does eventually get a domestic release, I'll still use the patch, and buy the game when it comes out. The translation will just make the official wait easier.
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EU03
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:33 am |
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Eh, I'd rather get on the starmen.net patch, seeing they've got some big names on that one.
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:35 am |
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| The mother3.org guys said the same thing a few months ago. They are just a bunch of nobody SomethingAwful goons who want their name on something. |
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Scofflaw
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:23 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
| The mother3.org guys said the same thing a few months ago. They are just a bunch of nobody SomethingAwful goons who want their name on something. |
Are these guys really jokes? Shit, the site looks pretty legit.
I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, just because I really, really want to play this damn game in English.
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:28 am |
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Well, the site isn't a joke, but I wouldn't say that about the people actually involved in the project.
At one point, they claimed the script was fully translated and ready to be inserted in the game, while begging for someone to help them with translation on various internet forums. |
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Scofflaw
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:43 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
Well, the site isn't a joke, but I wouldn't say that about the people actually involved in the project.
At one point, they claimed the script was fully translated and ready to be inserted in the game, while begging for someone to help them with translation on various internet forums. |
That bums me right the fuck out. Still, playing the game in broken english will make more sense to me than in Japanese, so I'll take what I can get at this point. Itoi seems like a really eloquent guy, and even in the hands of the most capable translators some of his nuances are going to slip through the cracks. As far as the starmen and m3.org guys are concerned, it's looks like it's just going to be a matter of how much.
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SplashBeats
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:44 am |
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| Well, starmen.net has 3 of the best dudes involved in the fan translation scene (sup Gideon Zhi, does he post here?) working on the game, so I would most definitely hold out hope for a very nice, refined, proofread translation. |
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Balzac
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:06 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
Well, the site isn't a joke, but I wouldn't say that about the people actually involved in the project.
At one point, they claimed the script was fully translated and ready to be inserted in the game, while begging for someone to help them with translation on various internet forums. |
Their translator flaked out on them. In spite of having done other translations (some Ys game) and even professional work (some Konami Yugi-ohGBA games), her mental state was pretty batshit, as most of GBS could attest to.
She translated two chapters, strung the team along for a few months claiming the rest was practically done, then completely disappeared. This was as of November, so I have no idea whether she came back or they got a new translator. |
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Mr. Business
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:37 am |
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Well, at least they're rid of her. She gave that team a very bad (worse) reputation.
Still, the Starmen.net patch sounds like a really awesome patch, and if I had my druthers, I'd take that one. Sadly, there doesn't appear to be any news about it now, save for the original announcement, which has disappeared.
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Intentionally Wrong
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:41 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
| Well, starmen.net has 3 of the best dudes involved in the fan translation scene (sup Gideon Zhi, does he post here?) working on the game, so I would most definitely hold out hope for a very nice, refined, proofread translation. |
It kind of looks that way!
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Scofflaw
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:49 am |
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| Mr. Business wrote: |
| Sadly, there doesn't appear to be any news about it now, save for the original announcement, which has disappeared. |
It's still there if you follow some obscure link on the main page. In the announcement it says that they're probably not going to post any progress updates until the patch is released. Which is kind of cool, because you don't get all these glimpses of false hope like with the .org team.
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les meat
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 12:54 pm |
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Well I think mother 3 will justify the purchase of a GBA Micro
Just a shame it couldn't see an official release and Nintendo Europe teased us with promise of a release in the new year a few months ago :(
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skelethulu
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 1:03 pm |
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When my Mother 3 Deluxe Box arrived I hooked up the GBA micro to my speakers at work and listened to the music on the character naming screen for several hours.
I'm wondering about the mother3.org people's programming progress. While doing a full translation is pretty useful, it does seem like they're going to hit stumbling blocks in between that phase and the patch complete! phase. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 5:15 pm |
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Mother 3 is what pushed me over the edge to get a GBA ROM cart. At the time, I had the false idea that ROM images were legal if you made them yourself, and found out a few days after I got the device that this factoid was totally false. So it looks like I'll be applying this patch on my own image of Mother 3, which I created myself from my legally purchased copy, and then be just as guilty of criminal activity as the rest of youse mugs.
I ordered the game back in November along with Last Hope. I had faint hope the translation might be done by the time I got it, but it looks like I'll probably spoil the first little bit of it by attempting to sneak a peak by playing the start of the Japanese version. |
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fairy godmilf
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:00 pm |
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reasons, i suppose, this game didn't get released officially in english:
1. prominence of gay mermen
2. blatant communist allegory
really good game though
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Broco
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:13 pm |
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| showka wrote: |
| Mother 3 is what pushed me over the edge to get a GBA ROM cart. At the time, I had the false idea that ROM images were legal if you made them yourself, and found out a few days after I got the device that this factoid was totally false. So it looks like I'll be applying this patch on my own image of Mother 3, which I created myself from my legally purchased copy, and then be just as guilty of criminal activity as the rest of youse mugs. |
IANAL but I understand backups for personal use fall under fair use in the U.S., and GBA carts have no copy protection measures so no DMCA violation is involved, so you'd be in the clear here if you're American. |
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Scofflaw
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 6:59 pm |
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| les meat wrote: |
Well I think mother 3 will justify the purchase of a GBA Micro
Just a shame it couldn't see an official release and Nintendo Europe teased us with promise of a release in the new year a few months ago :( |
I just got a Micro at wal mart for $50, lthough you can get them for as low as $30 depending on where you live. It's pretty nice, but the screen is really, really, really small. I mean, it's called micro, but man. Small. It looks really crisp and bright, but yeah.
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dongle
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:12 pm |
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heheh Broco said anal
Now, are the official translations of parts 1 and 2 good enough or should I wait for the Mother 1+2 retranslation project? |
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Scofflaw
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 7:44 pm |
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| dongle wrote: |
heheh Broco
Now, are the official translations of parts 1 and 2 good enough or should I wait for the Mother 1+2 retranslation project? |
Like I said I'm playing through earthbound again and I find myself laughing out loud at some of the shit that comes out of NPC's mouths. It's brilliant at points, but at other times the language seems a little stiff and probably could have used a bit more revision.
And I'm embarrassed to say I've never played through Mother 1.
Is there a link for the 1+2 retranslation project?
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showka
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 8:29 pm |
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| Broco wrote: |
| showka wrote: |
| Mother 3 is what pushed me over the edge to get a GBA ROM cart. At the time, I had the false idea that ROM images were legal if you made them yourself, and found out a few days after I got the device that this factoid was totally false. So it looks like I'll be applying this patch on my own image of Mother 3, which I created myself from my legally purchased copy, and then be just as guilty of criminal activity as the rest of youse mugs. |
IANAL but I understand backups for personal use fall under fair use in the U.S., and GBA carts have no copy protection measures so no DMCA violation is involved, so you'd be in the clear here if you're American. |
I had heard that courts said backups would have no purpose, since ROM cartridges were not as prone to mechanical failure as data stored on disks.
But in googling those cases, I found this link which makes the arguments that these cases no longer apply or didn't test whether or not GBA copiers would be legal. Unfortunately, this guy completely overlooks how BUNG GBC copiers were outlawed, as well as the Doctor N64 device. In the later case, they could sell them, but NOT if the device allowed people to back up legitimate cartridges. Thats what really seemed damning, is the crazy idea that you can own something that would let you play Mother 3 that you downloaded off the internet, but not something that would let you dump your own copy from the game you bought and play that. I can't find any links to the later two cases though. |
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Laurel Soup
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:04 pm |
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| Scofflaw wrote: |
| Is there a link for the 1+2 retranslation project? |
From what I understand its been abandoned in a pretty early state, unless there's another one I don't know about. It seems like it would be real simple to do...
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haze
la belle poney sans merci
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| Posted: Sat Feb 03, 2007 9:32 pm |
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| showka wrote: |
But in googling those cases, I found this link which makes the arguments that these cases no longer apply or didn't test whether or not GBA copiers would be legal. Unfortunately, this guy completely overlooks how BUNG GBC copiers were outlawed, as well as the Doctor N64 device. In the later case, they could sell them, but NOT if the device allowed people to back up legitimate cartridges. Thats what really seemed damning, is the crazy idea that you can own something that would let you play Mother 3 that you downloaded off the internet, but not something that would let you dump your own copy from the game you bought and play that. I can't find any links to the later two cases though. |
makes sense to me. from the perspective of companies, the problem of piracy comes from all those people uploading copies, rather than the moochers downloading copies.
I'm no expert but I think that's been the entire basis of copyrights for centuries until the whole music and movie downloading started, so then they started scaring the "recipients" with lawsuits as well. |
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Leau
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:37 am |
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Man, I don't know why nintendo wouldn't want to release Mother 3 in some form. I mean they'll release no-name crap like Magical Starsign that'll pretty much rot on shelves, and yet something like Earthbound still holds a place in peoples memories, and that never gets a whiff.
I mean it's not some super obscure dating sim. It makes some sense doesn't it? Put it on the DS, slap a map on the bottom screen or something.
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nocturnedelight
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 12:57 am |
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I wonder why Atlus never picked up rights to Mother 3.
They pick up rights to anything people might things is cult or underground or RPG or what have you. They even have experience picking up other Nintendo stuff, like Polarium Advance.
Maybe Nintendo denied them? Maybe for something awesome!
Blah
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Scofflaw
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 1:01 am |
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| Leau wrote: |
Man, I don't know why nintendo wouldn't want to release Mother 3 in some form. I mean they'll release no-name crap like Magical Starsign that'll pretty much rot on shelves, and yet something like Earthbound still holds a place in peoples memories, and that never gets a whiff.
I mean it's not some super obscure dating sim. It makes some sense doesn't it? Put it on the DS, slap a map on the bottom screen or something. |
That's what's so tragic about it. Large petitions have been put together and been ignored. There are huge internet communities surrounding a series that hasn't seen US shores in over a decade (talk about staying power). It's...frustrating to think about.
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dongle
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:34 am |
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| I mean shit Ness is in Smash Bros and like everyone plays that, even non-gamers. I have a ton of friends who know that Ness is from earthbound but have no idea what earthbound is. |
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showka
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:53 am |
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Even more depressing unexpected is how long its taking Earthbound 0 & 1 to hit the Virtual Console. |
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Scofflaw
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 4:21 am |
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| showka wrote: |
Even more depressing unexpected is how long its taking Earthbound 0 & 1 to hit the Virtual Console. |
Nintendo put in the money and hard work to have Earthbound 0 officially translated, and it's just fucking sitting there. You'd think that they'd offer it on the VC, which would take a minimum of effort, to throw fans a bone and recoup a little bit of dough while they're at it.
Shit.
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slipstream
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 5:24 am |
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| 108 wrote: |
reasons, i suppose, this game didn't get released officially in english:
1. prominence of gay mermen
2. blatant communist allegory
really good game though |
wait, what
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RecessRapist
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:17 am |
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| Eh, I'm gonna wait for the starmen.net patch. i've been on the forums since 2004 and I'd say they'd make an awesome job. |
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Focus
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 9:18 am |
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| slipstream wrote: |
| 108 wrote: |
reasons, i suppose, this game didn't get released officially in english:
1. prominence of gay mermen
2. blatant communist allegory
really good game though |
wait, what |
yes, really. what.
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Intentionally Wrong
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| Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:24 am |
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These guys are pretty important to the plot. I'm not kidding.
Yes.
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Sushi D
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:00 am |
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| Focus wrote: |
| slipstream wrote: |
| 108 wrote: |
reasons, i suppose, this game didn't get released officially in english:
1. prominence of gay mermen
2. blatant communist allegory
really good game though |
wait, what |
yes, really. what. |
lol, tim, you forgot the gay centaur.
also, yes really what, indeed.
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