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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:35 pm |
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Just started playing last night.
I rolled the brave knight Yorik.
Am I some sort of prodigy? I sailed through 1-1, got most of the items the dragons were guarding (would have gotten all of them but didn't realize the big guy would stop moving once I crossed the bridge), and then crushed Phalanx, all on my first try without dying.
I trust things get much, much harder soon, right? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:24 am |
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| CubaLibre wrote: |
| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
Am I some sort of prodigy? I sailed through 1-1, got most of the items the dragons were guarding (would have gotten all of them but didn't realize the big guy would stop moving once I crossed the bridge), and then crushed Phalanx, all on my first try without dying.
I trust things get much, much harder soon, right? |
Wait, have you played Dark already? Demon's is easier than Dark. 1-1 is fairly easy, and Phalanx is a pushover boss (not the biggest pushover boss though). It's more about getting you acclimatized to the controls and the way the game positions enemies deliberately in order to screw you. If you've already played Dark you already know all that stuff.
EDIT: Anyway if you were a real prodigy you would have killed Vanguard your first time. |
No, I'm a souls novice. I played the tutorial level at a friends house once before, though. So this was my first time playing 1-1 (but my second time playing through the tutorial). I got crushed by Vanguard the first time through, but I actually nearly beat him this time around! If I had remembered that you could sprint I think I would have killed him.
When it says "I'm not skilled enough" to use a spear, does that mean my dex isn't high enough? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:50 am |
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It seems the trick to doing well in this game is staying alert and patient. Every time I've died it's because I rushed and got stupid.
Or because of that fucking dragon in 1-2. I want to kill him but I have no ranged attacks, short of buying a whole bunch of bolts, which I'm not going to do.
I poured a bunch of souls into my stamina, which helped me get past the first rampart. The second is still too long, though.
Loving this game, guys. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:31 am |
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I'm having a lot of trouble staying connected to the server. Anyone else have this problem, or have an idea how to fix it?
Also, when I am connected nobody seems to ever pick up my blue stone requests. Is this because nobody is level 20 any more? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:50 pm |
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| boojiboy7 wrote: |
| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
| I poured a bunch of souls into my stamina, which helped me get past the first rampart. The second is still too long, though. |
Yeah, there is a route around that part, if I am thinking of the right section. |
I figured it out, you have to go downstairs and cross inside the wall.
I killed the Armor Spider last night. The spider boss in games is always a struggle for me, because I find it uncomfortable to get close to her.
I'm not happy with how the fight went, though, I basically cheesed it with health items. I'm sure there's a more elegant way to do this fight. Although, I did realize that to beat her huge fire attack you only have to block every four seconds or so, allowing you to maintain more stamina.
After that I went into the basement and two guys that looked like glowing red player characters started charging down toward me from the end of a long corridor.
I was offline so I knew these couldn't be Black Phantoms; but could they have been single player simulations of black phantoms? I freaked the fuck out and ran back to the elevator that brought me there, and as I rose up toward the surface they fell into the exposed elevator shaft, netting me a few thousand souls.
Earlier in the evening I lost about 12,000 souls in one stupid mistake. Stakes. _________________
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:09 pm |
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They fell down into the void, does that mean I can't get the black eye stone now? Will it drop from the next black phantom I kill? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:33 am |
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| thestage wrote: |
| Broco wrote: |
| Yeah, all NPC black phantoms drop a Black Eye Stone if you don't already have one. |
The downside is they do drop really good upgrade materials that you no longer have access to. None of what they drop is unique to them, but if you stick with the game long enough to want that shit you'll be cursing yourself a little bit. |
That's going to be one of those things that I'm going to intentionally not worry about my first time through.
World tendency is the other.
I took out the Tower Guard without too much trouble. Getting to him was the bigger adventure for sure. Also, realizing I could go upstairs to slash up the archers was a pretty key realization.
After that I finally caved and invested a few points into magic and set myself up with soul arrows. Pretty nice for taking out those dune worms in 2-2. Being surprised by the first one of those in body form was one of the most stressful, anxious experiences I've had in the game so far. I was able to take them out with melee, but soul arrows are so clean and fast.
Still haven't figured out how to effectively remove bugbears. Boldwin said something about throwing them in the lava, but something tells me they're immune to fire...
I was doing a good job holding on to my body until my first invasion, when some asshole with a gigantic flaming sword took me out in one hit. Obviously a deliberately low-leveled bully, and a total prick. _________________
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:09 pm |
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I was making some progress in the prison level. I was traveling down a certain path when I was bombarded over and over by dozens of messages:
"Beware the liar ahead"
"Watch out for the next enemy's lies"
"Liar"
So I come upon this weird ghoulish guy stooped over a shining, golden pentagram. I talk to him, he tells me he won't hurt me. So I kill him in one deft strike.
Can someone tell me what would have happened if I hadn't killed him? What the purpose of the spell was that I interrupted? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:46 am |
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Yea, you're pretty much expected to be in soul form like 90% of the time. It's nice when you get your body back but you don't really need it.
I'm playing as a knight, so here are some tips:
1. Don't try to roll. That's a technique for light armor (or very high strength). If you try to pull it in your plate armor you're going to be a sitting duck.
2. Be patient. Enemies in this level are pretty stupid, and will telegraph their slow attacks. Just edge in, back up when they start to strike, then attack after they're done. Take your time.
3. Your single-hand R2 attack with the long sword is a devastating piercing strike, that will one-hit most enemies. Pair this with tip 2 for victory.
4. Are you getting murdered by a red-eye knight carrying a spear? Don't go that way; you're not supposed to be there til much later.
5. Use health items liberally if you aren't already. They're extremely common.
Yes.
I came back to the Nexus and that blue phantom guy started losing his mind. The next time I came back he was gone, with a hero's soul in his place. I'm sad now! He was an asshole, but it was heartbreaking hearing him go crazy. Good voice acting in this game! Crazy that this was the original dub for a Japanese audience.
I found a dragonstone long sword, and holy shit it's like playing with cheat codes. Enemies that used to die after two well-placed strong attacks are dying after being knicked by one normal swing. _________________
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:51 am |
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Wait, how has the Dark Souls thread already overtaken this one? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:40 am |
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Right, endurance, I realized that later when I played again this evening.
I don't know, Cuba, it might change in later levels but I've seen about half the game at this point and I've done pretty fine with heavy armor and no dodge.
Usually backing away, sidestepping, or even just blocking is more than enough. My guy is really sturdy and usually when someone tries to hit me their swings deflect uselessly. When they DO manage to break my defense, they're not exactly ready to swing again either. I have high str and end, though, so I'm not really sure if its the heavy armor or my stats that are making me so impregnable.
Of course bosses are an exception, since they hit so hard anyway. Usually I'll strip off a couple of pieces of armor for those.
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:59 am |
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Been invading people of late. My record is pretty bad, but each fight has been a learning experience.
I invaded one guy who was wearing Yurt's armor and carrying a glowing white bow. I almost gave up I was so intimidated by his armor, but then I noticed he was just running away and generally being weak and passive. My guess is that he didn't have a melee weapon equipped, which was stupid of him. Either way I chased him down and beat the tar out of him. After that I fought a few other players aggressively and won, who lost because they were constantly on the defense and never noticed when my fatigue and health were low.
I've decided that being aggressive and in control of the battle's flow is how you win in PvP. _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:04 am |
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And then tonight I discovered the Old Monk. My character tendency is almost pure black. _________________
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:55 am |
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Okay, I give up. How the hell do I get past the second Grimm Reaper in 4-2? Seriously, what the hell. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:54 am |
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Cool, I'll give that a shot this time. Right now I have 30 strength and am double-handing a meat cleaver. They go down quick but not quite quick enough.
Maybe if I throw some turpentine on there instead of enchanting it I'll be able to take 'em out before they can beam.
My cleaver knocks the reapers down, so if I can get the drop on him he should be cake. Using soul remains sounds promising; I'd completely forgotten about those. I'm going to try distracting him with that or "demon's prank".
Hey, what's the deal with archery in this game? I can't for the life of me figure out how to effectively free-aim. There's no crosshairs? How do you know where the arrow's going to go without actually shooting a few test shots? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:52 am |
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| thestage wrote: |
a note on the meat cleaver: don't put any more points into strength. the game gives it the same rating in both strength and dexterity, but the thing scales better with dex anyway. points in strength are fine because they allow you to mess around with other weapons without being useless, but 30 is enough for anything. oh and make sure you get endurance up to 40 no matter what else you do.
there is free aim with bows! you have to like hold R1 and L1 or some shit I don't really remember and archery is only for cheats and pussies anyway so whatever. I don't think there is any free-aim for crossbows though, so that might be your problem. |
Shucks, I was really hoping that a high strength build would be good, coupled with some sort of crushing weapon (like the cleaver). I guess I'll start dumping into dex (it's only at 16 right now). Endurance is obviously the most important stat, but it's good to hear hard numbers.
Is 30 strength too high? Should I BP-suicide to recoup some of those soul levels?
I lol'd on your bow analysis. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:30 pm |
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Thanks for the advice, guys.
| CubaLibre wrote: |
| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
| Is 30 strength too high? Should I BP-suicide to recoup some of those soul levels? |
You don't recoup soul levels, you straight lose them. The soul cost of your next level stays the same no matter how many you lose. |
Oh shit, thanks for telling me. Does it affect the player level that it pairs you with?
So those +5 "normal" weapons - can they generally compete with the special demons' souls weapons? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:55 am |
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I've killed the Dragon God in world 2... is there any chance of me getting the DBS this time around? Is there any way to boost up to PWWT if all the bosses are already dead? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:14 am |
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| Ronnoc wrote: |
| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
| I've killed the Dragon God in world 2... is there any chance of me getting the DBS this time around? Is there any way to boost up to PWWT if all the bosses are already dead? |
Pure white through December.
Speaking of which, what are the cool Pure White things to do? |
Whoa, when did this start? Is that a persistent, unfaltering pure white, or can it be messed up? Because when I played yesterday I definitely didn't have pure white. _________________
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:21 am |
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If I body die or kill an npc in a world will it mess up the tendency? Or is it permanently white until the end of the event?
Also, where is the calendar for these things? _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:25 am |
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The fact that I had near-white tendency earlier had me worried that I had somehow affected it, but I found an article, and it looks like the PWWT event started literally today, so it's little wonder I haven't seen it yet. I know when you're connected to the server you don't have your own tendency, but rather everyone who's online shares the same tendency, and everyone's actions affect the tendency in aggregate. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:15 am |
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All my playtime the last few days has been spent grinding. But, I don't feel so exhausted by it because in Demon's Souls you aren't just gaining levels, you're actually learning and practicing. 4-2 was an unapproachable nightmare a few days ago, and now I have no troubles getting to the end at all.
However, I haven't had the guts to actually step through that fog yet, because by the time I get there I've always had at least a solid soul level's worth of souls ready to cash in. I'm at level 72 or something now, though, so that will be changing soon.
I went back and crushed Penetrator and Maneater no problem. Having a decent amount of endurance made all the difference I guess. _________________
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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:18 am |
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DBS is awesome! Meat Clever is still showing a higher attack power for my build, but regardless this thing rips apart bugbears like it was due yesterday. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:04 am |
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Fucking 5-2 _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:43 pm |
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| thestage wrote: |
| 5-2 is the best and the worst |
I'm so frustrated by the Giant Depraved Ones that I just went ahead and created all the Hyper Mode gear so I can one-shot them from afar. Hopefully it works. _________________
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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:45 pm |
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| Ronnoc wrote: |
| wourme wrote: |
| I went back to this game and did a few of the white world tendency things. I'm glad Executioner Miralda killed me the first time I reached her, because she has a great line that's well-voiced when she kills you. |
Oh no!
Body or soul form? |
If you missed it, you can start a new character and test this out in literally five minutes. Her gate is immediately at the entrance of 1-1, which will be open right now because of the PWWT event.
After I accept Mephistopheles' "kill Biorr" mission, can I just let the dragon roast him in 1-4, or do I have to do it myself? Is there some hitch to my plan? I haven't rescued him, or gotten the mission yet. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:44 pm |
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I've been looking at the wiki, and this thread. I know, I know. I went a long time without doing so, though. I get worried about bugs, especially near the end of the game.
In my defense, I didn't look up the targets and such until AFTER I met Meph. After seeing that this was a thing, I didn't see much harm in finding out who ELSE she wanted me to kill. And there's no way I would have even known Biorr or Yuria existed if I hadn't looked, so I don't really feel like I missed out on anything.
I just killed Biorr in the Nexus, rather than bother with the dragon thing. It was a lot easier, and there was no risk of him glitching or me dying in a level that way.
Meph asked me to kill Ostrava and then I talked to him and he killed himself. No credit.
Then when I fought Meph she did this weird blue attack which I dodged, but I guess it lingers or something because when I lunged into kill her she stole a soul level.
Kind of pissed at how all that went.
Hope I don't need to change my spells before now and the end! _________________
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Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:19 am |
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Beat all the levels, after which I was carrying around 100,000 souls.
Didn't realize that was my point of no return in terms of spending them, though.
Tried to do a few PBWT events, and ended up losing all 100,000 souls. Pretty damn annoying.
The primeval demon in world 4 is bugging out and not showing up. I followed a clue on the ground, and then validated on the wiki, and I'm definitely in the right place. But it straight up is not appearing.
The thought of doing all those BP events and collecting all those colorless demons souls just seems like a chore, so hey I'm not going to do them.
I'm going to go beat the game and enjoy the hell out of it. I'll post my thoughts afterward. _________________
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 11:29 am |
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I really like the discrepancy in how the Old One is depicted in the Monumental's story versus how she actually appears at the end.
Sheagorath Horror vs. Miyazaki Forest Spirit
This was a beautiful, wonderful game.
Onward to Dark Souls. _________________
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Oh God Spiders No

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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:44 am |
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| Toptube wrote: |
Crescent and Darkmoon upgrade paths are relatively easy to do with a weapon or two, because you usually get the resources through the course of normal play. Some of the other upgrade paths are MUCH more of a pain.
| Oh God Spiders No wrote: |
The thought of doing all those BP events and collecting all those colorless demons souls just seems like a chore, so hey I'm not going to do them.
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The white and black events can be cool, because they sometimes give you more information about some of the characters and it helps you piece together a bit of the lore for each archstone world and the characters there.
Other times they are just a means to a special weapon, which aren't worth the bother if you don't plan to use them or don't plan to play on into NG+. Same with the colorless Demon's Souls, as those are often used to upgrade unique equipment.
*did you at least get to see a primevil demon? I didn't know about them the first time that I saw one. I stood back for several minutes wondering what the hell it was. |
I did all of the White World events, which I give you more story. From what I understand the Black World events are just murderous versions of the NPCs that run up and try to kill you and then drop awesome weapons.
I got about two colorless demon's souls, but not enough to seriously level any one item. I was sort of pissed, because I killed Patches after The Event in 4-2, meaning no colorless demon soul. Then when I was told to kill Ostrava he went ahead and killed himself at the end of 1-4 (no colorless demon soul). Then when I was searching for the world 4 Primeval Demon it glitched and never appeared (this is apparently pretty common), so again no colorless demon soul. So I felt pretty cheated!
But, I did get to see the one in world 2. It's funny, before I went to kill it I spent a whole bunch of time preparing for this big epic battle.
If Dark Souls hadn't come out I probably would have stuck with it and made a sl120 pvp character with a bunch of +5 unique gear, but I was at the point where to keep playing would have been nothing more than succumbing to self-destructive hoarding behavior. _________________
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:12 am |
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I thought it was that they had a certain (high) chance to drop a colorless demon soul, but that they were definitely supposed to appear? _________________
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Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 5:27 am |
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Good point. _________________
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Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 8:56 am |
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Spells are for silly dandies. For me, the only reason to have soul arrow is to use as a fly swatter in 5-2 (and a worm stomper in 2-2). Even the paltry INT I had to commit to afford cursed weapon sort of felt like I was selling out. _________________
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:05 am |
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I started playing this again after getting kind of tired of Dark Souls. I'm playing a magic build this time around.
I guess I'm just sticking with the crescent falchion and buckler so that I don't have to spend a single point on str or dex. I'll probably get to about 30 end and 25 vit and then just pump mag forever.
Is there a point of diminishing returns for MAG scaling on spells and weapons? _________________
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:11 am |
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In hindsight, I am now a little disappointed with how the world tendency system is set up. You have to choose between multiplayer and world events, and that's just bollocks. _________________
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:38 pm |
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Blaaarg.
SPOILERS AHEAD, but this game is so old I don't feel like tagging any of them.
When I started I killed Ostrava because I didn't want to glitch and miss the Mausoleum key later on.
It wasn't until a bit later that I remembered that he's a Meph target, and by killing him early I would be depriving myself of a Colorless Demon's Soul ToB (EDIT: but who cares?)
Well hey no biggie, I still have Patches!
But then of course while I was standing next to him, I set my controller down on the table, accidentally pressing R2 and aggroing him. FUCK, now I've fucked that one up, too.
I always take special care to make sure my hands are clean before I play this game, because I will be palming my face a lot.
I guess I don't actually have to do any of the Meph quest now. Spare myself the hassle of killing everybody and maybe actually get the friend ring.
EDIT: Oh wait, Ostrava nets you the Talisman of Beasts, not a colorless demon's souls. I can still get Biorr's. But man I still missed Patches'! |
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Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 9:55 pm |
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Thing is I aggro'd him in 4-2, and he hasn't returned since then.
Maybe he's still hanging out in 4-2? I should look into this...
ADDENDUM:
I gotta say, I think I prefer Demon's Souls to Dark Souls. Dark Souls is huge and impressive and amazing, but Demon's just feels better to me.
Maybe it's because it was my first? Maybe I'm just bored of Dark. But to me, Demon's seems to have a more subtle, consistent, and powerful tone throughout. _________________
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 1:37 am |
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| There's something else, too. Maybe it's that the armor in Dark that's sort of bombastic? It's not just that, but it's kind of about that. It's fun for multiplayer, and my favorite character by far is Bumbling Sir Onion, but that stuff comes at a price. |
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 3:13 am |
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My first knight was pure physical and it was awful on him. Dragon Longsword until Meat Cleaver showed up. _________________
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 8:12 am |
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I checked, and Patches is still hanging out in his spot in 4-2, so I'm good! _________________
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Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:35 pm |
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My first knight character is sort of a mess stat-wise, because I wanted to try a lot of things. As it is he's sort of torn between dex and strength, with a bit too much faith, as well (I wanted two miracle slots for some reason).
Rather than start a new build from scratch I sort of want to re-spec him now. Does anyone have a character around 93 120 with soulsuck that would be willing to help me de-level?
EDIT: I cheated to get to 120 so I could find more people to help me. |
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