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If any of you guys are interesting in playing this game online co-op I'd totally buy it just to try it.
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There are a lot of people on the SomethingAwful forums that love it. I am really jealous, but I can barely handle SFIV and KZ2 right now let alone a multiplayer ARPG.

If we can get a 4 player SB community going, I might change my mind...
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Well, progress through the game is counted by level, but it's also counted by equipment and souls collected. I'm 99% sure you keep the souls you collect, and I'm also 57% sure you can trade items.

So even though the multiplayer *sounds* stupid from the outside, if it actually is JAPANESE DIABLO, you can count me in.
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Seriously, who's interested?

Edit: because I'm interested. If I can play with you guys. A lot.
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Why!? WHY?

I always see people who used to play SFIV and KZ2 with me playing this game. I just thought that these guys had a lot of money and bought the newest stuff, but... oh man.
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After seeing this thread I popped into ebay to check prices. $80 for the Asian version convinced me it was not worth it.

And now you write that.

What the fuck, man. Are you trying to make me poor?

The multiplayer sounds awesome. Please describe in detail the most awesome parts. I hear that you leave notes (tips?) and other people grade your notes. It sounds genius, but I'd like to know a little more...
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THE ASIAN VERSION'S 80 FRIGGIN DOLLARS, BUT THE PRICE JUST KEEPS GOING UP!

Does anyone know if the Korean version (also with English) can play online with the other versions? I might have to do that...
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I just found one for $72 with shipping and everything. My PS3 is killing my wallet :(
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Yeah I got it from the 2nd guy you linked. Paypal had my old address though! I sent him a message over eBay, hopefully he can fix it :-\
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So it's like Zelda meets Wikipedia meets... Babelfish?
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Out of my excitement for my first ever game import I've been reading the wiki for this game (made by Goons and Gaffers, here).

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NCSX has the Asian version! $67! I think they're based in NYC!
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Who has this game?

So far it looks like just schild and gooktime. My copy is coming, sometime. Is there going to be SB demon hunting, or am I going to have to play with somethingawful's crew?
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Schild, I just read your article.

What the fuck. Stop taunting me. Seriously. !!
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If you want your DUNGEON CRAWL to be full of BALL PITS, SAFETY BUMPERS, and FOAM SPIKES go right ahead.

Hey Cuba, you should get this game, too.
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The messages left behind are translated in the game. So in English it'll say, "Amush to the right", and in Japanese it'll say that there's an ambush to the right. In Japanese.
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The dramatic dance that happens a lot in any versus game owes a lot to SFII. Even if it doesn't feel like it on the surface, deep down there's a lot owed.

Btw, Go read some Sirlin. Seriously. Learn about playing to win. Just doing what it takes to get that V. It'll probably help you enjoy difficult games in general.
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Talbain, you are being pretty shallow about the topics of difficulty and competitiveness. Sure, a lot of games treat difficulty like that, but to use them as the basis for difficulty is like taking a coloring book picture and criticizing painting.

There are difficult and competitive games that expand the depth of a game many times over without being a routine.

For example, a game like Mirror's Edge opens up new paths when you get better. Speed running the game is both a challenge and a unique perspective to what the game ultimately tries to teach you: how to navigate the familiar with something unfamiliar. The difficult optional bosses in many Final Fantasy games either make you power level to beat them, or they make you figure out the system and exploit it. It's totally possible to low level beat all of the bosses, so a lot of people who are into figuring it out do it. The Yamat Dragon boss in FFXII is a great example because unless you want to spend days coddling your characters, you have to figure out how to set up your gambits just right. That's pretty fucking genius, really.

As far as competitive games and their depth, well, I don't think you touched on it much. Though from your "add more damage, critical, take away health" attitude, I don't think you look at competitive games with any depth, either.

Competitive games are all about winning conditions and resources to get to those conditions. Sure, losing health is how you CAN lose a fighting game, and if you're impatient that's how you make the other person lose, but there's a lot more to fighting games.

A lot of people talk about fighting game tiers and high level play, but it's pretty fucking silly to talk about Kara-Canceling when you have difficulties with bread & butter combos. The bottom line is that given your options you want to restrict your opponent's options for reaching the end of the match. If that means keeping your opponent in the corner so he can't attack, or mixing him up so he can't block, so be it.

The basic rock/papper/scissors what-beats-what mentality of gamers only goes so far. Fighting games have difficult execution so that mentality gets obscured and becomes vague. When a player messes up his super-combo-cancel, is the other player smart enough to know if he'll connect it next time? Is he baiting a wakeup dragon punch? Or is he coming in for the throw?

Yeah I got into a lot here, but that's part of the point. There's a lot more depth to games than people seem to realize. A lot of gamers want games to teach them how to be good right away. Those are the gamers that can't figure out the licensing in Gran Turismo games. They're the ones that won't figure out how to play a sports game. Apparently competition isn't interesting, and being a tourist in Final Fantasy-land is all they want.

To bring this full-circle to Demons's Souls and why it seems so important for games is because, well, shit this game is all about being balls-to-the-wall difficult yet providing you with more resources than necessary to overcome these odds. Death lurks around the corner, and there are multiple ways to prepare, identify, and defend against it. Being harsh and unforgiving brings back the hardcore to, well, hardcore games. Fuck spawn points less than a minute back.

If DS makes me feel BAD about sucking, then GOOD. If it doesn't, well, schild's a jerk for telling us how awesome it is. And if it's not difficult at all, well, schild's a jerk again.
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I just got this. It's fucking awesome. And scary. No hand holding is yes.
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It's pretty obvious that this is the kind of game that everyone thinks of when they're twelve. You're starting puberty and you want to be mature, but you're still adventurous and, well, a child. Knights and dragons are fucking rad, and being a knight and killing dragons realistically is way better than when you were a little kid. So it's realistic dungeon crawling whoa!

I had no idea how nerve wracking this game would turn out.

Like, "whoa this is serious business." But, seriously, this is serious fucking business. There's no running through everything and slashing stuff up till you drink a health potion. Hell, even when you die and restart you REALLY DIE. This soul concept of dying and having one chance to retrieve your body is intense. I don't think I've ever stopped and caught my breath as much in a game as I have in this one.

Anyways, is there a way to play with you guys? Or is everything random? I like how the whole game is IN GAME (even the leaderboards), but it makes it a little confusing for stuff like Multiplayer.
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I'm going to make a post about this game in the Multiplayer forum so we can talk about getting people playing together, but we should keep the talk about how awesome the game is over here so people can read it and be jealous of us.

PSN: anothergod

Edit:

http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?p=523420#523420
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I barely have any problems with the controls. Schild says they're perfect, but I think the lock-on does present a few problems.

The way the game works is that the Left stick moves your person, and the Right stick moves your head. Regular uses like block and attack are mapped to the first shoulder button, and sneakier ones like parry and thrust/hard attack are mapped to the second shoulder button. Ls for left hand equip, and Rs for right hand equip.

For the most part, that's your main mode of playing. Everything else is secondary stuff. The d-pad's left/right change your left/right equips to alternates. Up/down changes your magic or selected item. Square uses your item. Triangle 2-hands a weapon. And circle sprints (hold), rolls (tap + direction), or jumps back (tap). X is your examine button. Also, it is your emote button - hold it and shake in a direction for emotes.

Now, the controls being "clunky" probably refers to the game not letting you DMC everything. There's not much canceling, a lot of the game is waiting blocking and baiting, and, well, yeah. Stuff that should come out fast comes out fast, but there's almost always a recovery. You have to play out your moves in advance, and if they get technical, you have to execute well or face the consequences. Though honestly, if you're in the survival horror mindset, you don't even think about these things. Nothing seems like it's too slow. It all seems real.

The one real problem with the controls has to do with the lock-on. Lock-on auto-targets another target after every kill. It makes facing 4 archers slightly spread out super easy because after you slash a couple down you don't even have to think about targeting the next ones and killing them. This isn't a problem for playing as much as it doesn't feel like it fits with the game. The problem with lock-on is that sometimes it'll give you another target that you might *not* want to lock onto e.g. a dragon flying by just as you kill the first soldier will snag your lock-on, and it makes your camera fly by real quickly.

I don't know if that's a real problem because it hasn't done anything bad yet, it's just real scary that it takes so much (important) control away from me.
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For 1-2:

Take off your armor. At 50% equip weight you go "normal speed", but between 25 and 50% you gain a speed bonus. I got my Knight to 25% by removing his helmet and his breastplate and he books it. The #1 problem I'm having with the Tower Knight level is the Tower Knight himself. Melee vs. the Tower Knight blows.

My roommate got him with a lot of arrows to his feet (100+), but I'm cooller than that. And hard headed. I guess that's why I keep dying.

Btw, don't give up on the game! As long as you're pateint, you're always making progress. My bloodstain has something like 6k souls, and everytime I try again I get another 1-2k. By the time I finally do beat the Tower Knight (or if I decide to go back to the nexus), I'll have a lot more points to get a lot more cool stuff.

Also, try using an ephemeral eye and getting some help on hard parts. The spider boss was super easy for my starting royal because I had someone to help show me the way.
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Multiplayer. Life. and Death. Shit this is awesome. I got my body back for a good couple hours today, kicked some ass, but now I'm dead again. :( We need to play some more multi so I can get my body back.
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I'm having more fun with my PS3 than I have with any system I've ever had before.

Of course, I've never really bought my own systems until recently, and even then none of them were current. Except for the PS1. But I was in high school, and now I'm working and have my own money and can buy whatever the fuck I want.

I play Demon's Souls a lot. And so does my roommate - it's fun to watch him play Demon's Souls, too. There are times when I want to play other games, but that's multiplayer (SFIV) or trying to get my girlfriend to play videogames with me(Afrika). DS gets booted out of the PS3 for that, but for the amount of time playing, the wonder and astonishment, and the enjoyment of a kind of game I've never played before, it's very well worth it.

It's like a horror fantasy game. But it's not Resident Evil shock horror. And only a little like Silent Hill's plodding horror. You know what's ahead of you, and you know what's around the next corner, but you still are terrified.
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Anyone that knows anything about gaming knows that this game is the fucking shit. Seriously, the quality in Demon's Souls is the first thing you notice about the game. I haven't had a game blow my expectations like this in a long time. That I expected it to be awesome just makes it that much better.
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The game is 100% doable and enjoyable offline. Afterall, it is Japanese. The online part is neat and part of the OMG gaming<3 it gets is for being online, but, to be honest, it took me a week to get online and I think I've only played a handful of games online.

Getting this game now and playing it online now is preferably, though.
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Jesus Christ. Anyone at this forum with a PS3 that doesn't have this game is missing the point of being at this forum.
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So, level 3-1 is *fucking genius*. The screams of all the prisoners, the lady singing, and the bell chiming squid headguards (Mind Flayers I think they're called) creep me the fuck out.

I really like how some of the "badguys" don't damage you at all. They are just crazy with fear and run around screaming. Did you guys look at their faces? They don't look any different than the ones that want to kill you, so you just slaughter them all. Jesus. And the guys in the jars? WTF? Yeah, they took murdering the poor and unfortunate to an extreme.

FROM Software did something else with this game. A lot of people say that the game is really hard, but I don't think that's the case. I think the game really needs you to work hard to enjoy it. This prison level isn't hard, you just have to be patient. Most of the badguys won't kill you, but you're always on the lookout to figure out which of them will. And when you do find the dangerous ones, they just slowly walk up to you with a bell...
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Did anyone have trouble with the 2-3 boss?

I breezed through it and was kind of disappointed. :(
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Beat every subworld's boss. The story to this game is having an interesting twist. Was I supposed to feel bad killing Maiden Astrea.? I felt the same way in the Prison of Hope, actually.
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1-4 is seriously really fucking hard. Am I supposed to kill the blue dragon? Can I beat 1-4 and then go back and farm for more souls? This is totally killing me, guys.
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I've never been so exhausted from a game in my life...
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Hey, guys, selectbutton DS multiplayer talk is here. jjsimpso and I have been running a couple dungeons together. You should read the thread. DS multiplayer is definitely not Diablo.

Also, Toptube, what's ur PSN?

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I've heard that playthroughs 3+ only get marginally harder/more exp. I think at that point they want you to be battling other people lots so everything smooths out.
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