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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:42 pm        Reply with quote

red eye knights are harder than the giant dudes ok. especially the spear ones. although I guess the giant dudes have quite a bit more health, which kinda sucks when you're using a meat cleaver and your standard combo drains your whole stamina bar and then the dude is still alive.

I may have UGGGHHHH-ed at 5-2 but I think it's pretty awesome. if some of the open areas in Dark Souls are like that like you feel like you can get lost and visibility is low and god knows what kind of meat cleaver wielding bitch is rolling around out there--yeah. I want some of that.

secondpillow wrote:
I just started. I'm trying to make my way through the first stage, but my health gets low and I always end up running back to the nexus. I'm sure I'll push through at some point, but it's hard for me to play this for long stretches of time. Perhaps it's the bleakness combined with the sense of fragility.


do not fear death! play cautious, but be aware that 1. you're going to die, 2. you'll probably be able to get back to your souls anyway when you do, 3. even if you don't, it isn't the end of the world (especially at the beginning of the game).

also I think it is important to not play this game like a pussy. every time I read a suggestion for something it is like "here is this glitch" or "stand far away and shoot a million arrows" or "put on the thief ring and hope you can sneak past." man fuck that. what are you playing a game like this for if you don't want to fight shit. I think mindset is pretty important to enjoying this game--so you want to play cautious and smart, like there's something on the line, but you also want to be willing to try shit, and when you see a giant angry thing you've never seen before, you should want to go stab it with something before you should want to go back to the nexus.

(unless you're in 1-4 and you kill all the black phantoms and then decide to go forward rather than take the stone that is ten feet away back to the nexus and so you die and lose the 30k souls from those guys that you will never be able to fight again, plus the 20k you went into the level with AAARRGHHH)

also fuck that scraping spear + tower shield bp anyway. asshole like broke a bunch of my shit what a troll. though seeing that kind of makes me want to pump nothing but strength and endurance and run around in full brushwood plus tower shield and a spear and some giant weapon (I CAN'T GET THE DRAGON BONE CRUSHER THIS PLAY THROUGH SAD SAD FACE)
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:53 pm        Reply with quote

yep
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:25 pm        Reply with quote

luckily, mages are stupid and no one likes them

guys I lost the 25k souls in 5-2 by falling to my death again :(

beat the stage after that but in the last two days I've lost over 100k souls. probably need to stop that!

I found something to complain about: I can't fucking tell the difference between pure white world tendency and not quite pure white world tendency. a real pain in the ass.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:56 pm        Reply with quote

next in my endless series of questions: do you still get the magic defense bonus of items like the rune shield/sword if they aren't actively equipped? like, can I two hand the meat cleaver with the rune shield in my left hand spot and still get the bonus, even if I'm not using it? or can I use the purple flame shield, but have the rune shield in my other left hand slot? it seems some things work this way (adjudicator's shield) while others do not, so I'm unsure. I'm assuming it doesn't work, because I figure I'd have heard about it if it did.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:17 am        Reply with quote

smartblue wrote:
Defense bonus things like the PFS are only active as a spec on the equipment so you would need to actively use it to gain it's fire protection bonus. Magic defense is tied in that way as well, far as I know.


but the rune shield/sword have a magic defense aura around them in addition to the magic defense stat on the shield itself, as far as I know. the adjudicator's shield aura works even while you're 2 handing something, for instance. if that's also the case for rune gear that stuff would be amazing in certain situations
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:53 pm        Reply with quote

so just to clarify here:

the only way to get pure white world tendency is to kill all the bosses in a given world without dying in body form (with the exception of world 1 because loldragons)? or I guess you could sit around and hope to be invaded a bunch?

and the only way to get pure black tendency is to die repeatedly in body form? and then either farm enough stone of ephemeral eyes to rez or play the game for hours farming people as a black phantom (and not turn your game off ever, because that resets world tendency to the server mean?)

seem like some shitty options
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:43 pm        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
Well its not supposed to be easy!

I wouldn't worry about the stones of ephmeral eyes, though. At least one vendor in the game sells them and you actually can potentially acquire quite a few of them through exploration, trading, drops, and I think a couple of additional vendors have very limited stock. Seriously I think I had like 30 of them or something.


yeah, I have a good number of them and all, but all of my worlds are close to pure white, which means like 5 or 6 suicides per world. and the vendor that sells them charges 30k. doable, I guess.

guys old king doran is hard. my cursed meat cleaver hits him for 50 damage.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 2:17 am        Reply with quote

negativedge wrote:
guys old king doran is hard. my cursed meat cleaver hits him for 50 damage.


cursed meat cleaver plus morion blade and clever cat's ring, however, does a lot more damage

still haven't beaten him though :(

got close two times. the first time I tried it with this strategy, he started off by eating a full three hit combo that did over a thousand damage to him. I ended up getting probably 90% of his health before he got me :(

the other time I had him down to about 80% or so when curse weapon actually killed me, procing second chance and getting rid of the cheese bonuses, leaving me with my beastly 40 damage hits. after that I started doing some complicated shit where I equipped makoto long enough to get the bonus, dropped it, cursed my weapon, and then equipped a regen ring. lot of work. second chance plus curse (at least once) every time is blowing through my supply of SPICES too. though I guess that isn't exactly a concern.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:03 am        Reply with quote

yeah, but what are the chances my level 80 guy is going to be able to find someone within his level range that hasn't killed any given boss? especially almost two years after the game's release?

or is the level balance requirement thing only for black phantoms?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:37 am        Reply with quote

definitely not going for 100%. already things I can't do in this game, and I certainly don't care about trophies or any of that. the only reason I want to mess with the tendencies is to see additional content, get colorless souls, and (in the case of black) make the game harder.

probably just going to pass on the pure white stuff (killed miralda and satsuki and got makoto at least) and just do black. also I can't get the foe ring this game :( :(
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:20 am        Reply with quote

god I am so sick of old king fuckhead. the five minutes of prep for every 15 second attempt doesn't sound too bad on paper but after you do it twenty fucking times it's maddening. finally ragequit after I died on the red knight before him. I had stopped bothering with second chance given that my "second chance" on Doran is with 50 hp meat cleaver hits. waste of time and spice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:44 am        Reply with quote

don't have plague and I'm not a pussy

also started as temple knight but I don't get how that's relevant

there is ONE thing that makes him hard with my set up. if the first swing of the meat cleaver isn't PERFECTLY positioned, he is going to roll dodge after the second hit. and if he does that he's probably going to kill you during the recovery. and it's almost impossible to tell if that initial hit was perfect. I suppose I could try to R2 the whole fight, but that's a lot of R2 and not a lot of time with cursed weapon up (and of course if your R2 isn't perfect he's going to roll and kill you)

I could come back later and try to stunlock him with hiltless or something fuck I don't know
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:39 am        Reply with quote

I manned up and got it done

it's a shame that his armor set looks so awful. thinking about using different legs, at least

how's the stamina regen on the eternal warrior ring? enough to make heavier armor better than ancient king if you can roll with it and don't mind using a ring spot? probably won't be the case for me (I'd need great strength to use heavier armor anyway--that's two rings in a game where I'm in soul form most of the time), but something to keep in mind.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:32 am        Reply with quote

so, uhhh, mass suicide in world 1 isn't getting me past neutral world tendency

kind of don't want to throw away any more stones without knowing its doing something?

:(

and yes I'm in offline mode
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:03 am        Reply with quote

yeah I'm dumb

probably wasted two or three stones as a result. in related news, will probably have to farm 2 or 3 stones.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:07 am        Reply with quote

I'm going to feel so bad doing the mephistopheles quests :(
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 6:08 am        Reply with quote

if you just outright kill meph, will he drop the foe ring? or do you have to do all the quests and kill him proper? ostrava fell on the sword so I'm locked out of the whole quest line this play through.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:42 pm        Reply with quote

this is very good news!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:53 am        Reply with quote

pure black can be pretty scary. the extra black phantoms hit like trucks and that damn hidden black skeleton in 4-2 is fucking brutal in pure black. also I lost 45k souls in 4-1 to manta ray fucking lock downs. they're a bit more aggressive in pure black, or else there are just a lot more of them. not sure which.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:39 am        Reply with quote

5-2 pure black is hard. it made me fear for me life all the time again :)

so when I said the giant depraved ones were not the hardest enemies in the game, I lied. I especially lied where pure black is concerned. and I especially especially lied where black phantom versions are concerned. in SAVE ME FROM POISON gear one of those guys can kill me dead in one hit. add in the BETTER NOT MOVE TOO MUCH OR YOU CAN'T ROLL OR RUN environments and the tricky pull angles and it's straight murder if you fuck up. which is awesome. I wish there was a way to just set the difficulty to pure black mode. like not even for the extra content--they can still hide that behind something if they want--but just the difficulty for the sake of itself.

also I am pure white character tendency ^_^

the plan is obviously to go straight down to pure black, but I must admit I am enjoying the demonbrandt for the time being. probably going to bump magic up to 12 so I can use Northern Regalia. basically my character is going to suck because I keep pumping weird stats to weird places just so I can use a bunch of different stuff. anything I equip or any style I play I'm going to be carrying dead weight in soul levels. I think my next character (should I have time to make one) will be a faith knight or a super strength guy. or maybe a blueblood sword user.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:54 am        Reply with quote

yeah I'm looking forward to that. gonna go straight for flame lurker and see if I can manage to one shot him again.

oh yeah bp selen was pretty fun too. wading out into the swamps to prevent her from healing (and failing twice), knowing both rolling and blocking are out of the question. just pure spacing and timing.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 9:54 pm        Reply with quote

trying to farm a pure bladestone--especially with 7 luck and no sword of searching--is some terrible shit. I haven't even gotten a chunk yet, never mind the fucking pure. on the plus side, I did manage to lose 150k+ souls in the process.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 10:43 pm        Reply with quote

but black phantom requires black world which means farming stones in addition to farming what I actually want to farm. plus he'll probably kill me a lot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:29 am        Reply with quote

negativedge wrote:
plus he'll probably kill me a lot.


how prescient

score: bp: about 10, me: 0
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:38 am        Reply with quote

mauve wrote:

The fastest way is to hit up the black skeleton in the secret and then dive off the edge. Done right you can get an attempt every 80-90 seconds or so, including loading times. This is easiest/quickest if you have a Dragon weapon(Mirdan Hammer yum), though I've seen people do it with heavy knockdown. You can just run around behind him and backstab him when he does his lunge move, then pound away until dead.


yeah this is what I was doing. at world tendency slightly blacker than neutral, a backstab from the demonbrandt one shot him. of course I suck so if I missed my roll I usually died, even with second chance up.

anyway yeah I did it for maybe 45 minutes and didn't even get a chunk (also need 11 chunks or something). not sure I'm going to stick with it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 3:52 am        Reply with quote

mission accomplished!

certainly took a while

now it is time to go pvp (and hope there are people). I need to figure out where I am allowed to use stones and where I am not because I was running around a couple levels and I couldn't invade shit.

grinding this shit got me too many souls. I'm sure I'm too high a level to make NG that challenging unless I try to play pure black or something :(
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:27 am        Reply with quote

but I mean I couldn't even use the stone
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:31 am        Reply with quote

o

I always thought the archstones were where you were supposed to do it. might explain the problem.

I want to go kiiiillllll but I have hommeeewoooooorrrrkkk :(
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