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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:00 pm        Reply with quote

Maztorre wrote:
I've quietly frothed for this game for a while, was disheartened by early gameplay footage, then re-frothed, if you will, when nicovideo users started posting runthroughs of the game. Looks wonderfully bleak!

The director is the original director of King's Field, as I recall, and has basically stated the game is the spiritual sequel to that concept.

I've never heard of this before this thread, but seeing that video and knowing it's made by the King's Field guy (!!) has me friggin excited. That preorder page Rud13 linked says right there in black and white that it's in "English, Chinese"... are we really sure we won't get a localization? I've never imported anything before, but damn if this doesn't tempt me...
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:26 am        Reply with quote


Nah. It's far too tight and not nearly "free-form" enough. It's more like Wizardry than Oblivion.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:33 am        Reply with quote

Seriously, the second I get some kind of confirmation that this works well in English I'm importing it. Co-op will be had.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 8:28 pm        Reply with quote

There's the Greek daimon, from which the word comes, which is a sort of intellectual or emotional sprite, but never incorporated - think of the little angel-and-demon-sitting-on-your-shoulders conscience, except without the little angel and demon. Socrates said that it was his daimon that always pushed him to keep asking questions when any normal man would be satisfied with the answers.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:52 pm        Reply with quote

Spore's "massively single-player" thing is the first example I can think of. It's actually pretty cool, and really the only interesting thing about the game.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 11:06 pm        Reply with quote

Oh yeah with uhhhh future Knights Templar and shit. Their buzzword was "Crossplayer." Need Google.

Oh, of course: it's called The Crossing.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 4:41 pm        Reply with quote

I thought this didn't have regular co-op? Or do you mean something different by "4-player community"? I keep hearing conflicting reports...
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 31, 2009 5:06 pm        Reply with quote

Rudie keep talking.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:41 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, it's a shame that a game is challenging and even has a whole built-in mechanic to make dying a lesson rather than a mere penalty. The nerve! It must be some kind of sick sexual fetish. All those sickos who say they like LEGO Star Wars are probably pedophiles, too.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:39 am        Reply with quote

schild wrote:
It would probably be a hard game to market in America because, well, gamers are of a different gene pool here (read: diluted).

It's great that Demon's Souls is such an awesome game, but this sort of douchebaggery is the last thing anyone needs, here or anywhere else. THE GLORIOUS LAND OF NIPPON EATS SICKLY GAIJIN "GAMERS" FOR TAMAGOYAKI
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:03 am        Reply with quote

Man I wish I had some money. D:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2009 7:37 pm        Reply with quote

boojiboy7 wrote:
Or doesn't have money.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:14 am        Reply with quote

firenze wrote:
It does restore my faith in gaming humanity a bit though. That so many people can see the quality in here despite the somewhat sluggish pace and unforgiving challenge (plus the rather drab aesthetics) is heartwarming to me. Maybe it's a small rebellion against the school of thought that modern games need "accessibility" that is achieved through hand-holding and constantly having the player make progress without excessive difficulty. Or maybe Demon's Souls just has brilliant level design that DOES feel like progress every time through even when you're getting slaughtered time after time. Perhaps some of both.

It just justifies what we've all been saying for a while, which is that normal people don't mind hard games when they're actually good.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:47 pm        Reply with quote

Gin wrote:
In reality, nothing is random.

This is exactly the opposite of the truth.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:11 pm        Reply with quote

Finally played this game, for an hour, and I am absolutely 100% hooked. Clearly one of the best games I've ever played in my life.

Watched my friend start playing and developing a "twink" character to use for PvP, getting everything he needs to be effective while keeping his Soul Level as low as possible in order to have lots of pickings. The variety of weapons/equipment and character builds and their physical and tactical effect on the game is stupendous.

Also, spears totally fucking rule.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 5:52 am        Reply with quote

Watched my friend play this all weekend. Got home. Slept six hours. Woke up, went to Gamestop, bought this game.

I beat 1-1, 1-2, and 2-1. I'm doing a Temple Knight, boosting my Faith and heading for a Blessed Halberd Hammer Thing (I forget the name) and all the Miracles. A real white knight type.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:32 am        Reply with quote

But don't be misled: the first New Game+ is a real jump in difficulty that you'd associate with the name, but after that it only gets something like 8% harder with each playthrough. After 2 times through, you're best off making a new character.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:30 am        Reply with quote

This game, guys. Every time I play it I can feel myself getting better at it.

I have a question for any experienced demon hunters. I want to follow the guide at the bottom of this page to get pure white world tendency and the unique items attached thereto. But I have a few questions about the instructions there.

Why does it insist on offline mode? I'll be in soul form basically the whole time, so it's not like someone will come into my game and ruin it. In addition, being online would let me invade other people's games to get my body back (while suiciding to get pure black world tendency) instead of using tons of Ephemeral Eyes. Am I missing something?

What happens if I screw up and die? You're supposed to kill the unique Black Phantom and then the Primeval Demon in one shot, but what happens if I die in between? These guys don't respawn, right? Or I guess you're just not supposed to go back to the Nexus, so you're all right if you die as long as you don't leave?

In connection with that (and also more generally), what happens when you select Quit in the middle of a level? I've been told everything saves exactly the way it is, but I've been too chicken to test it myself. Is this true? If I have to quit for some reason in the middle of the BP > PD run, will it screw up my world tendency endeavors?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:50 am        Reply with quote

Is there some other way to get pure white? Just going through and killing all the bosses doesn't seem like it'll do the trick, and the only other way to shift the world tendency towards white, from what I can tell, is to kill the unique BPs and PD, which only appear at pure black.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:20 am        Reply with quote

I wouldn't mind just playing through the game and getting pure white tendency that way, that'd be fine with me, but it would suck to beat a world entirely only to be left without any bosses and therefore unable to hit pure white.

I wish people actually knew more about this. No one seems to have any definitive answers. It's like Tower of Druaga but with an actually good (amazing, almost perfect) game attached.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:18 am        Reply with quote

Maybe I'll play through beating all but the last bosses to have a boss in reserve just in case, and then try and bait BPs into my world. Saving pure black for right before the endgame does seem like the smartest move. I watched my friend die something like 50 times in a row to BP Satsuke at the beginning of 4-1 before killing him at slvl 98.

Then again, that was NG+.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:44 am        Reply with quote

So if I don't happen to get pure white playing through, I have to sit around waiting for black phantoms to invade, and if I pop back in later I might find myself drifting towards black. That's kind of cool, except that sometimes BPs just don't invade. But the NA servers are still pretty lively.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:52 pm        Reply with quote

Interstellar Dinghy wrote:
Killing Black Phantoms does absolutely nothing to your world tendency.


Atlus disagrees with you. That doesn't necessarily mean you're wrong, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 6:29 am        Reply with quote

Would you recommend waiting to do this on the second playthrough, when you have your equipment etc? What I've read recommends doing it on the first playthrough before it gets really hard, but I can't imagine beating some of those BPs with only the stuff out of the first couple levels.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:58 am        Reply with quote

One annoying thing about the lock-on is that it targets the nearest enemy as the crow flies, rather than the nearest enemy that you can attack. For example, once you've dropped the first optional bridge near the beginning of 5-1, when you try to cross it there's a spear goblin on the other side, and a bunch of other goblins below. I've definitely almost died running across the optional bridge, clicking to target the guy across the way, having it actually target one of the dudes below and to the side (who are no threat) and then almost running right off the side.

The biggest answer, of course, is that you shouldn't lock on to everything, and learning when and why to lock on is one of the higher-level skills of the game. But yes, it's still kind of broken and the biggest flaw in the game.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 6:48 am        Reply with quote

NNNNGH YEEEEEEEAH

After struggling hardcore through 5-2, I stomped the 5-2 boss. Then I co-oped Astraea and her knight and Flamelurker in 2-2 with my buddy. Then I was playing through 1-3 in body form. A phantom invades, I cast Hidden Soul, I get him in the back as he runs by, but he has tons of stamina and sprints all the way through to the 3 red-eyed knights at the end. So I say, fuck you then, I'm summoning a blue phantom. We kill all the bad dudes before the red-eyed knights, and then my genius phantom aggros them all at once. Of course, the BP charges in with them. I run like a bitch, obviously. The BP pulls off a backstab but it only does about half damage. My blue phantom gets jumped by the red-eyed knights, but it keeps them off of me long enough to get out of their visual range, so it's just me versus the BP. And I absolutely outclass him in one on one combat.

HUUUUUUURGH

Just a minute or two later another BP invaded, this one a magic type with a witch hat and so on. Again I cast Hidden Soul and take her from behind. Her stamina doesn't last, I catch up and slaughter her as she tries to heal.

Moral of the story: Hidden Soul is the best pvp spell when you're defending.

Also: winning in this game is one of the most satisfying feelings in the world.

(Also, killing these dudes got me pure white character tendency, so I went and grabbed my Friend Ring from the Monumental. Yay!)
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:23 am        Reply with quote

You know, I was too excited to check on the world tendency. Like an idiot.

I spent my souls in between each level, but I think 1-3 netted me something like 45k including Penetrator. I was under the impression that the host gets full souls and the blue phantoms get full souls too, there's no kind of division or reduction going on. But I've only ever been blue phantom a couple times, and just for bosses.

Guys if you're in body form throw Hidden Soul in a miracle slot. It's amazing.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:45 am        Reply with quote

By happenstance I got PWWT everywhere except World 5. Don't ask me. So I went through and got all the PWWT stuff, thinking I'd shoot through 5 in offline mode in NG+. I had planned to get PBWT and do all that stuff before beating the game on my first playthrough, but instead I whooped King Allant (handed him his ass, really) before I did Old King Doran or any PBWT stuff. I figured there'd be a "last level" before beating the game, but not really. At least, the Maiden heads out, and I didn't want to risk the souls tooling around with crazy black phantoms.

So, NG+ here I come. Already beat 1-1, 1-2 and 2-1. Number one priority is PWWT in World 5, then PBWT everywhere. And I plan to kill folks to get my body back while I'm falling to PBWT, so right before Allant I'll do the assassination missions. I'm setting myself up for a pretty hard time...
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:03 am        Reply with quote

Do Thief's Ring/Graverobber's Ring/Hidden Soul work when you're the black phantom?
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 8:49 am        Reply with quote

This game is so good I just reread this whole thread. The pleas for help were similar or identical to my own, except now I can answer them all with authority. This game teaches you, and you grow in it.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:31 am        Reply with quote

Yeah, I beat Old Monk tonight as well. I use a Mirdan Hammer which is basically the blunt version of the Halberd (and can be Blessed, which is why I chose it). It has preposterous range, especially if you 2-hand it. I fought some shmuck with Homing Soul Arrow and some Crescent something or other. I sliced through his Warding pretty bad, he healed 7 or 8 times before I brought him down.

I actually beat all of World 5, 3-2 (Maneater, hurrrrgh) and 3-3, and 1-3 today, all on NG+. Have you played as mainly a melee dude yet VM? It's really a whole different game. Or rather, I imagine it is. When I co-op with magic-type people I just marvel at how they just have to hang back and shoot things. It seems like there's so little risk.

Now all that's left is 1-4. Time to get PBWT everywhere, kill all the unique BPs and Primeval Demons, then get PBCT and do the assassination missions. I wonder what the Blue Dragon fight is gonna be like without Biorr...
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:49 am        Reply with quote

Interstellar Dinghy wrote:
Yeah, the +5 blessed mirdan hammer is one of the best weapons in the game.

That's what I hear. I just wanted to play a Paladin-type Temple Knight with high Faith, and I like spear and pole weapons and the Hammer was the only one that could be Blessed. Lucked out I guess. If the Winged Spear could be Blessed I would've used that instead. I do have Istarelle now but don't feel like leveling my stats to use it.

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Don't think too little of the guy you fought though, when you're the Old Monk you just automatically use homing soul arrow. I don't think anybody would really use that spell.

Didn't realize; my first time through I fought an NPC Old Monk. Still though.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:14 am        Reply with quote

I'd say Flamelurker is the hardest boss for melee, followed by Maneater. My friend (who is basically speedrunning the game at this point) reverses them. But Tower Knight is really easy in melee. I don't really know why people complain so much about him. Easier than Leechmonger, that's for sure.
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I'd say Flamelurker is the hardest boss for melee, followed by Maneater. My friend (who is basically speedrunning the game at this point) reverses them


On just plain "New Game", Flamelurker is a lot easier than Maneaters I'd say. On NG+ though, Flamelurker was a son of a bitch and Warding made the Maneaters laughable.

Yeah, if you depend on Warding that automatically makes Flamelurker harder than Maneater, no doubt. I have no magic though, just miracles.

As for Tower Knight, I don't think I've ever died at him. Maybe once. He's just so ponderous. I guess some people play heavy melee classes that go over 50% equip and can't move around as much, which would make him a lot tougher. But frankly I don't understand how people can play the game that way.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2009 4:37 pm        Reply with quote

I don't do pvp much yet but my friend has a level 50something twink that he annihilates people with. He goes naked to make it a challenge and beats 3v1s that way. Hysterical.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2009 8:15 pm        Reply with quote

belthegor wrote:
Honestly, going naked doesn't really make it a challenge when you realize how little armor actually counts for. It's more or less just dead weight.

Well, except Old King Doran's armor (Miralda's stuff for females) provides decent protection and doesn't impede stamina regeneration at all. If you have the Endurance to wear it and your weapons and still be under 50% equip burden (which he does), there's no downside.

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Actually, maybe he's not using a Dragon weapon. I see a lot of people using Northern Regalia online. The weapon does enormous damage as long as you keep your character tendency either pure white or pure black. I'm not a big fan of using it in pvp though.

Yeah, he uses Northern Regalia as his "real" weapon. Large swords are slow and don't have the reach to make up for their slowness (which is why they're sort of unpopular and probably why you're not a fan), but he's an absolute expert at getting in there and using it effectively. But he uses all kinds of whatever weapons now to make it fun.

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It's not about combat because anyone good with their combat will win vs. an invader.
lol no. i've invaded people plenty and most of them will actually just sit in a safe spot waiting to ambush you. apparently these people weren't "good with their combat" though cuz i murdered them.

Yeah, as much as it's great to wait for the live player to get in combat and set traps etc they're more than content to sit around in a cleared area and wait for you to appear. There's risk to them but none to you, so there's no reason for them to lose the patience game.
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Most people probably haven't even killed a Black Phantom to get their Black Eye Stone before hitting slvl 10.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 7:55 pm        Reply with quote

Gin wrote:
also curious about istarelle and large sword of moonlight (goes through shields!)

As a Faith-based (initiative) dude I alternate between the Blessed Mirdan Hammer and the Large Sword of Moonlight. The sword comes out when I'm fighting armored types with big shields, the hammer when I'm fighting faster magicky types (for the reach). Basically when the sword comes out, the guy's gotta 2-hand and get in and burn you down before you burn him down. Otherwise there's not much that can stop it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 7:05 pm        Reply with quote

He's always there, but he won't use unique Demon's Souls to forge items (like the False King's Soul for the Northern Regalia) until you kill Flamelurker and give him the Red Hot Demon Soul.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2009 10:58 pm        Reply with quote

Even if you're only at WWT, killing the third boss should net you PWWT right? I don't think Keel Smasher disappears after you've beaten Dragon God.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 1:13 am        Reply with quote

Vehicular Manslaughter wrote:
It doesn't, and if I know the Tendency math, being at PWWT (I knew I was there because I saw WP Scirvir), dying in Body Form then killing Flamelurker should be a net neutral move, so I should still be at PWWT (with Dragon God still to go, so even if I'm not, I can get there either by killing him or killing invading phantoms).

Well no one invades 2-3, but yeah.

Actually I should invade 2-3. That sounds hilarious.
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