[Gin]

Guys maybe art is just a feeling. An emotion or instinct that's just too fucking complex for us to understand, so we just kind of feel it out.

[108]

i have four ^_~

does anyone want one of them?
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[JamesE]

My point was more that you're very pompous and arrogant and it's very obnoxious to even approach trying to talk to you, Eric. Ergo why I usually just make a few one liners than try not to think about it too much, lest I grate my teeth down very small indeed.

The Merchant of Venice is a pretty complex historical work which either ends up as an anti-Jewish popularist piece, a subversive attack on racial and religious prejudice, or a commentary on the nature of repentance*. It owes nothing to the biological or survivalist drives. That for me and for many, many other people is art. I also think the arrangement of fridge magnets is wonderful art. So would Clares Oldenburg, if he's not to busy being really old.

Your view of art is stilted and dogmatic. I expect you're pleased with it but it doesn't make you look half as clever or insightful as you think it does. Art is not autism (although autistics can produce wonderful, wonderful art).

*You may notice there is very little of this in Invasion of the Darleks

[JamesE]

Here's some more wonderful retorical art:

[Adilegian]

I've been thinking and writing about this matter over the past couple of days, and I came up with a pretty comprehensive outline about my stance on art. I think it cuts out a lot of bullshit. And lo! this thread has beaten its banks with such swelling current.

http://www.adilegian.com/ArtOutline.pdf

It's useful to sit down and rigorously drill yourself on what you honestly think about a given subject once every few years. This was this year's grille on Art.
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[JamesE]

I don't agree with you all the time Adilegian but you're a really interesting person.

[Predator Goose]

JamesE, Eric made some remarks about what he thought art was. That didn't agree with what you thought art was, so you made fun of him. That's called juvenile.

I understand that you don't want to spend the time to respond to everyone else's ideas, but if you end up having to explain yourself anyways, wouldn't it make it faster to explain up front, and make you look like less of a dick? Or find some one liners that don't sound like personal attacks so people don't feel the need to defend themselves?
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[Adilegian]

[Focus]

Hey guys I made a doodie.


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[JamesE]

[JamesE]

[Intentionally Wrong]

Remind me again why it's important that we define what is and is not art, in this thread?


To paraphrase XKCD: it doesn't matter what Michael Gondry tells his kid about videogames. Decide for yourself whether art and games have anything to do with one another, and let that be enough.
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[Focus]

[JamesE]

[Talbain]

[108]

[rabite gets whacked!]

Jonny's got the better ideas of the two, I think. Thom has a lovely voice when he's not going overboard.

[108]

[SplashBeats]

The man can play like 10 instruments.

[Ebrey]

[Adilegian]

[Cryo]

[Intentionally Wrong]

[108]

[Ratoslov]

It's art if people discuss it. An artist is someone who produces work for the purpose of making something interesting to discuss.

[chevluh]

When Shigeru Miyamoto went in france to get his medal/title thingie some time ago, he was asked the "are videogames art?" question, and amusingly, for him the answer is no. Apparently to him it's a culture, not an art.

[aderack]

[aderack]

[JamesE]

[kthorjensen]

[Predator Goose]

[aderack]

For that matter, why do you take such interest in my hobbies? In my life? Why do you keep injecting them into your torrents against me? If you dislike me so much, why do you seem to deliberately seek out what I've written, wherever I've written it, specifically to later complain about? It's just plain odd.

I've already said that I don't have any particular problem with you, other than your continuous antagonism toward me. I'm just not particularly concerned with you; you yell at me, I go find something else to pay attention to. I admit perhaps I dismiss you too readily, and it's probably not to my credit that I neither feel nor display much respect or empathy for you. Again, though, I'm not sure what's expected of me here.

Just what is your problem, anyway? What's wrong with you? There's something deep and festering and angry in there, beyond anybody's reach. What, am I supposed to appeal to it? Am I supposed to break through your irascible armor to find and cherish the real you? Am I supposed to reciprocate your interest in me? Am I supposed to psychoanalyze you? Ignore you? I sure don't know the proper response -- so tell me, what do you want from me?

[aderack]

[aderack]

Thanks for the cat thing, though.

[icycalm]

This is a really depressing thread.

Man, I sure do miss the days when real gamers read CVG and EGM, and played real games on real consoles, and no one worried about all this art nonsense.

But if people absolutely must discuss this, then I agree that a sticky thread right up top "DISCUSS VIDEOGAMES AS ART in HERE" would solve the problem.

Eventually, when that thread reached like 50 pages, it would die and put an end to all this.

And then of course we'd need another sticky thread in the general forum, devoted to personal antagonism between forum members. That'd be a neat thing do to, in my opinion. It would put an end to all the other nonsense.


also, sup eric-jon

[aderack]

Hey.

Yeah, this kind of sucks.

[John Mc.]

guys nanobreaker is art.

or is this a thread about good art?

why does anyone care? if you find games rewarding, then fuck some art snob breaking into and slashing at your conceptions!

games can be art, but i'd rather they weren't. a vast bit of "art" is, simply put, boring.

[Dracko]

[Adilegian]

[Predator Goose]

Sorry, this isn't on topic, I just wanted to correct something that I said earlier in the thread. I said that the last high water mark for comics was in 1986~7 for Batman:Dark Night Returns. I'd just like to push that date forward two years to 1989 for The Crow.
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[Focus]