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Ebrey
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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:12 am |
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I find it strange that he's giving his kid tools to make movies but it hasn't occured to him that his kid could make video games. I made my first videogame mod when I was 12, which was many years before I ever made a movie. Movie cameras are expensive!
That being said, we can't be creative all the time. It's fun to sit back and watch someone else's movie, or play their game, or view their painting. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:28 am Post subject: Re: Michel Gondry says that Games aren't Art. |
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| Balzac wrote: |
| Videogame fans and sports fans have a hell of a lot in common. Team loyalty makes about as much sense as console fanboyism. |
You don't watch sports, do you? Team loyalty makes a hell of a lot of sense because it's hard to enjoy a game you have nothing invested in. If you don't want a particular team to win then you won't gain any joy in the outcome.
Console fanboyism, on the other hand, makes no sense because the primary purpose of buying a console is not to help a particular company defeat another company, but to increase the number of games you can play. And limiting yourself to one company decreases the number of available games. |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:57 am |
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| Predator Goose wrote: |
| Fort90 wrote: |
Its also kind of sad... sort of how, and I know this is off-topic and highly debateable, but Watchmen was the last true high watermark for super hero comics and nothing has come close in the past twenty years. But you know, IMHO.
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And I'll agree with your comment about 1986-1987 being the high water mark of the past 20 years. I haven't actually read Watchmen yet (know I should) but my personal favorit, Dark Knight Returns, came out in 1986 as well. The sequel to that book was good, but it didn't come near to the original. And it was oddly about Superman. |
Have you two read Runaways? I think it's a better superhero comic than Watchmen and DKR, and I like Miller and Moore quite a bit! Though I don't think superhero comics as a whole are the place to look for quality comics. Vertigo, alternative/self-published, and manga are so much better and more relevant on average. Unfortunately the comics market tanked and took a lot of self-published comics with it, so I agree that it's not at its peak, but there's plenty of delightful stuff like Brian K. Vaughan's comics.
Also Understanding Comics has some obvious stuff in it that's clearly aimed at non-comics readers. But it also says smart things, or puts a label on concepts we already know so that it's easier to talk about them. For instance, I always liked how in manga and Cerebus the characters are cartoony and expressive, while the backgrounds are realistic and atmospheric, but I didn't know it was called masking.
And I love McCloud's definition of art! It avoids pointless arguments like these... |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:56 am |
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| Intentionally Wrong wrote: |
| Remind me again why it's important that we define what is and is not art, in this thread? |
To drive people crazy! 'Games are art' topics are like annual stupidityfests, regularly filled with the dumbest posts on IC/SB. |
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