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 Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:28 am Post subject: Re: Michel Gondry says that Games aren't Art. |
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| Martial Loh wrote: |
Ok, so now that I've hopefully got your collective attentions, he didn't actually say this. I just got back from a preview screening of The Science of Sleep and he was there for a post-screening Q&A session. In one of his answers he said that he banned his son from playing videogames, because they weren't rewarding - or rather - the sense of achievement after ploughing through levels & quests was not very fulfilling, say compared to finishing making a film or a painting.
On the tube journey home, I realised I should have asked him "but what about wasting time watching films?". |
The question you think you should have asked doesnt seem to address what he was talking about and sounds like more of a defensive thought.
I think the bigger point to what he was saying was the false sense of acomplishment part, and not so much the time wasting part. Video games are good at giving the sense of accomplishing something even though you havnt done anything that a million or so other people had no problem doing ether. Video games give maximum reward for minimal effort.
"Congratulations you saved the world!!!" when really you just hit a few buttons.
By comparison, working your ass off day and night, emotionally and physically, for what will most likely be little praise of fanfare.
Video games beat out reality as far as effort to reward by a good margin.
Watching a movie or painting is not really a rewarding experience, but a thought provoking or emotional one. I equate Video games to Making a movie or painting rather than just watching them, because of their interactive and goal based nature.
Also, "Art" is too all encompassing and subjective to be useful in describing anything... let alone video games. Its a pretty worthless word. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:44 pm |
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| Guys what is "Art"? |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:00 pm |
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| JamesE wrote: |
Which meant different things back then: IE that everyone didn't end the play raped up and murdered.
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The Romans had some pretty funny plays about dinner parties and cross-dressing.
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| option wrote: |
| Guys what is "Art"? |
“conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements”
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“human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work of nature” |
At one point art used to just mean painting. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:02 pm |
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| aerisdead wrote: |
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I remember a while ago some people were up in arms because a museum was showing that piece, but it wasnt the actual toilet used in Duchamp's original showing.
I wonder if they ever realized how ironic that was...
Also...
I like the idea of games as a sport more than the idea of games as a way of wasting time or tuning out of reality.
People who say "your playing games wrong" can get annoying, but I think there might be something there.
EDIT: all the ways I came up with to fleash out that idea were pretty bad. =/ |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:34 pm |
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| Predator Goose wrote: |
I disagreed with a lot of his conclusions - though I still can't tell you why, or even recall what his conclusions were.
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I read the book a few months back and I dont really reamember there being much to the conclusions to even disagree with.
Most of the stuff was just new wording or visual representations of things that are completely obvious to anyone who has put some thought into it.
I think the part most people dont like is the earlier chapter when he talks about what he considers "Art" (anything done that isnt for survival or reproduction purposes). Its a really early chapter and if not agreed with, it puts a bad taste in peoples mouth when considering the entire book.
Any thread that mentions art gets completely derailed pretty much right off the bat. They make for fun reads though.
I like gondry's music videos... His shorts are pretty fun too. I've never seen Eternal Sunshine and I probably wont any time soon.
5 more days!!!!
http://www.cave.co.jp/gameonline/muchimuchi/index.html |
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