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Tokyo Rude

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Location: I'm on the phone Derrick!
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 12:57 pm Post subject: Rudie's Life Crisis |
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Hey SBers! I consider a lot of you good friends and many of you almost good voices of reason. I need a lot of friendly ears right now.
As you may remember last year my mom had anal cancer. I've had a..strained relationship with my mom. Either way, it was really shit news, and I had to go back at one time because the thought was she was going to die that week. She ended up not dying. She's recovering from cancer now. It's been just about a year exactly since I went back for that.
For those not in the know, I'm living and working in Tokyo. My family is in Texas, USA. I believe/did believe I'd be in Tokyo for the long term. I absolutely love the city. I have an apartment, and a couch, and I really really like living here.
I found out yesterday my Dad might have terminal lung cancer. He doesn't have any problems, but he's currently geting more diagnosed. If so, there's like a 1% survival rate. Otherwise 6 to 9 months to live. He's been taking care of my mom, managing his full time job as a head of department at a medical university, and taking care of two dogs and two cats.
If he does have cancer, I already know, I have to give up my life and go back. Doesn't make the decision any easier to face or take. I've built up my life here, and am comfortably settled. To give it up my friends, my girlfriend, my love of Tokyo breaks my heart. I know that not going back to take care of my parents (I'm an only child) would be just about the worst thing I could do in my life, no matter what my mother says.
My mother has told me not to come back. In any since of fidelity I'd have to ignore that an immediately come back.
All I can think about is that line from Lord of the Rings actually. "I never wanted this to happen." "So are all to see such times, but that's not for you to decide, it's only what are you to do with the time given to you."
God I HATE Texas. I seriously HATE being around my mother (for a variety of reasons) (even the serious, tear filled conversation last night was almost unbearable.)
I just have no clue how to handle this. I know exactly what I'm supposed to do, but it fucking sucks a lot. Give up everything for my parents, as they gave up everything for me. |
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Kappuru forum bishonen

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat May 16, 2009 1:03 pm |
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It's hard dealing with the mortality of your own parents, especially because they seemed invincible when you were younger.
Don't worry about it until you have to, with your Dad.. but if it does happen, I think you know what you have to do.
Going through the same thing myself with my own father right now.
Hope everything's OK, rud13. No use in worrying until you find out. _________________
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psiga saudade

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 2:53 am |
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Hm.
Agreeing with Kap on this one. Play it by ear for now. _________________
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DonMarco graphics fucker
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 4:45 am |
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DonMarco's thoughts:
Go back to the states and enjoy the time you still have with your parents. Make peace, be nice, support them. If not for the sake of humanity, then as something you will look back on and be proud. So "lose" a few months, hopefully closer to a year.
The main reason my Dad retired to Michigan is to basically wait out his parents, and I really admire that about him.
It sucks to hear about your friends and girlfriend. Leaving Tokyo, too. Giving up your apartment, books, collected trinkets and big city lifestyle. I'll never know what you're going through, having not owned a couch. I bet it's a nice couch.
I've got two years before I can get back. Quite the exile... _________________ Still alive. |
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kael

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Location: Mountain View, CA
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 9:08 am |
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Having dealt with something like this before, I have to say - it sucks, but you're going to want to be there. Hopefully things will turn out okay and your dad will be fine, but if they don't... trading away a year or so of your life in tokyo is a tough decision, I'm sure, but I personally value every last minute I had with my father before he passed on.
You've got plenty of years ahead of you, so I'd say spending one helping take care of your parents isn't a bad idea. You'll be glad you did afterward, if it means that you have more good memories of him to look back on and you were able to say goodbye without leaving things unresolved.
For now I'd try not to worry about it, but if it looks like things are going bad for your father, I'd at least make preparations to be able to leave. Even if you haven't decided yet, the more notice your friends, coworkers and loved ones in Tokyo have before you leave, the more chance that you'll be on good terms with them in a year or two if you decide to come back and pick things back up where you left off.
Dealing with parents you're not on good terms with is always a struggle in this sort of situation, but even if you and your mother aren't on good terms, she'll appreciate having you around.
I hope things work out okay for your parents. |
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Leau

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Metro City
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Posted: Sun May 17, 2009 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Rudie's Life Crisis |
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I had the exact opposite situation last year, when I contracted cancer, and had to move back in with my parents. That was really the only option, as my goof ball twenty something roommates can't really take care of you in the method required. So if I was in your situation, I would definitely move back to take care of my folks because they did the exact same thing for me. On the other hand....
| Tokyo Rude wrote: |
| Give up everything for my parents, as they gave up everything for me. |
Don't get into specifics if you don't want to, but what does that mean exactly? What did they give up for you? Is it just working to pay for school? Again, don't feel the need to talk about any of this to us, but it sounds like you feel your mom was a lousy parent growing up. They can't be both can they? Great parents who gave up everything, but also really bad ones?
I love my folks, but I have a lot of friends who have shitty parents. Various affairs, and addictions, and divorce, and just putting their own shit before their kids. And as I've grown older, I've realized; it's okay to write off your parents as losers at a certain point. I've had friends who finally had to cut ties, and they're much happier not always being pulled into shitstorms. It's a tough thing to do, and unthinkable when you're younger.
I guess that sounds really cold (especially in this context) but I've just seen people become so much happier when they finally get away from their retarded legacy. Having a child that you aren't prepared to raise isn't a unique event; It doesn't necessarily deserve to be rewarded. _________________
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Dark Age Iron Savior king of finders

Joined: 06 Dec 2006 Location: Spacecraft, Juanelia Country
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:11 am |
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shit shit shit, I forget to keep saying this and whenever I do the browser craps out:
whatever happens, good luck, rudie _________________
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ionustron
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:53 am |
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For a good year or two so my Dad had been fighting an infection in his foot (the poor-weight Diabetes for years, caused nearly no circulation in his feet, stepped on a toothpick one day, never noticed, and it festered.) that slowly lead to it being cut away, until the entire foot had to be cut.
Things were looking up in November of '05 when he suddenly got very very sick, and they had found the infection in his body once more. His kidneys crapped out and once he learned that he'd most likely be in a permanent dialysis machine, his condition rapidly deteriorated. He passed away within a few days.
I was in collage at the time during finals project crunch time. It was about a week before I was set to go home for Christmas break. I didn't know about it until it happened, and it all happened very quickly.
On the one hand I wanna say to stay positive and try not to buy into those timetables until you die, and mentally refuse to die, but I'm unsure how true it is.
But I will say, for god sakes, spend time with your Dad before you can't! |
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scratchmonkey Final Finasty

Joined: 21 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 5:31 am |
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| Rudders, it sounds like you already know what you need to do. There's some pretty good advice in this thread already as well, so I'll just say that I hope that your Dad's tests come back negative. Selah. |
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Tokyo Rude

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Location: I'm on the phone Derrick!
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Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:48 pm |
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I got the left lung biopsy report this morning when I saw Interventional Radiology for a POT. No malignant cells were seen. They had a laundry list of possible choices to include sarcoidosis, berylliosis, and hypersensitivity pneumonitis. The path concluded that "Clinical correlation is needed." I left a phone message with my pulmonologist to ask if this path report implies that the left lung problem must be resolved before the surgeons could remove the right lung. He did not return my call so I will try to see him tomorrow when I have a POT with ENT.
After a good deal of internet study I think that MD Anderson is the best place for me to seek care for the mesothelioma. Pulmonology was supposed to have started the paperwork for a civilian referral two weeks ago. I will be looking into that also tomorrow. There appears to be a narrow window of time to treat malignant melanoma. I am still not clear how close I am to that window. |
So yeah. My parents are getting very quiet everytime I mention coming back home. When I first mentioned it in an email, my father responded with, "Your mother was very pleased you would come back home to take care of her."
My relationship with my mother is strained as hell. She was a perfectly good mother, and a terrible human being. Her diet before cancer consisted of a 24 case of beer, packs of cigarettes, and peanut butter straight from the jar. My house is a disaster zone from all the shit she buys. She quite literally buys bags of stuff from the dollar store each week. There are bags all over the house of unworn clothes.
Any attempt to clean up will leave her screaming and crying and saying you hate her. As revenge for cleaning the living room, she once took video games I had on the shelf nicely arrange and threw them in the garbage outside. "To teach you a lesson!"
I can't have a five minute phone conversation with her without wanting to tell her to shut up for being close-minded, ignorant, and opinionated. When Rick Perry said Texas might secede, I asked her what she thought of that and she screaming I'm a lier where I heard from it was fake news, and She couldn't believe I would say those things.
She actually later apologized for that, the first time in my life. She's also hiliariously racist. |
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bloody heartland banned
Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2009 10:29 pm |
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I hate to be the one to say this, but:
If it's going to destroy you to go back full time, why not stay? |
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CubaLibre the road lawyer

Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: Balmer
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schild

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:06 pm |
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I've been back home once (ONE TIME) in the last 9 years. I have no plans to go back. It was a surprise 48 hour trip to see my mom who works too much. My mom and I could get along better most of the time as well.
I'd say I'm "close" to these people. But not really "CLOSE." My father on the other hand, not my step father, is a pretty godawful person. I did not go to his mother or fathers funeral, I didn't even go when I found out they were sick. My father and I do not "get along," we merely allow eachother the benefit of living. I am also, very much, not a respect your elders type. That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us."
On my short list of regrets (we're talking, can count them on one hand), is not at least going to his mother's funeral. She was always nice to me though completely ignorant of her crappy situation. And it was my fucking dad's mother, man.
If my dad, mom, or stepdad got sick. I'd go. Simply because I know how it feels to not go.
But then, I'm still in America.
If you don't go, make sure you're angry enough to not regret it. If you do go, make sure you know exactly how you're going to deal with it. That is to say, if you've got shit to get off your chest or apologize for or whatever, now's your chance. Even if he ends up being in that 1%, I find that these are slates best left cleaned. I would've really liked to unload some anger on my dad's father, but I missed my chance. Closure (good and bad) is a prety great thing, guy. Don't underestimate it. |
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Ebrey
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 1:58 am |
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| schild wrote: |
| That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
Woah, way to project your parental issues on everyone else. I don't think most parent-child problems are caused by parents not respecting their kids. I don't think there's any parental issue that applies to the majority of us. |
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bloody heartland banned
Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 2:23 am |
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| Ebrey wrote: |
| schild wrote: |
| That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
Woah, way to project your parental issues on everyone else. I don't think most parent-child problems are caused by parents not respecting their kids. I don't think there's any parental issue that applies to the majority of us. |
How's about you stop throwing this magic "us" around, George? I'd say a lack of respect for me on my parent's part has been the driving force in the fifteen years or so of grief that's somewhat sadly come to define my family life (just got back on speaking terms with em recently).
Also - seriously - the man's not making a blanket statement. He's talking about his own feelings on the matter.
Didn't think I'd see eye-to-eye with Schild on ANYTHING, but there you go. |
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schild

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 3:54 am |
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| bloody heartland wrote: |
| Ebrey wrote: |
| schild wrote: |
| That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
Woah, way to project your parental issues on everyone else. I don't think most parent-child problems are caused by parents not respecting their kids. I don't think there's any parental issue that applies to the majority of us. |
Also - seriously - the man's not making a blanket statement. He's talking about his own feelings on the matter.
Didn't think I'd see eye-to-eye with Schild on ANYTHING, but there you go. |
This :(
I thought it was pretty clear. Rudie has to come to terms with this on his own, I was just giving him how I'd handle things with my own family :( |
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Ebrey
Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:32 am |
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| bloody heartland wrote: |
| Ebrey wrote: |
| schild wrote: |
| That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
Woah, way to project your parental issues on everyone else. I don't think most parent-child problems are caused by parents not respecting their kids. I don't think there's any parental issue that applies to the majority of us. |
How's about you stop throwing this magic "us" around, George? I'd say a lack of respect for me on my parent's part has been the driving force in the fifteen years or so of grief that's somewhat sadly come to define my family life (just got back on speaking terms with em recently).
Also - seriously - the man's not making a blanket statement. He's talking about his own feelings on the matter.
Didn't think I'd see eye-to-eye with Schild on ANYTHING, but there you go. |
Wait, you're saying that "there is no parental issue that applies to most people" is a worse generalization than "parents don't respect children"? That's a hell of a leap.
schild, the way you phrased that made it sound like you thought most children tried to respect their parents despite not being respected. I don't think that's the case at all. The reason there is social pressure to respect your parents (with phone calls and Christmas visits, mostly) is that it's natural to drift away from them. After raising you for 18 years, most parents deserve the option of maintaining their relationship with you, even if you don't care for it. And yeah, there are a few parents who don't deserve this. |
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schild

Joined: 05 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2009 6:46 am |
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| Ebrey wrote: |
| bloody heartland wrote: |
| Ebrey wrote: |
| schild wrote: |
| That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
Woah, way to project your parental issues on everyone else. I don't think most parent-child problems are caused by parents not respecting their kids. I don't think there's any parental issue that applies to the majority of us. |
How's about you stop throwing this magic "us" around, George? I'd say a lack of respect for me on my parent's part has been the driving force in the fifteen years or so of grief that's somewhat sadly come to define my family life (just got back on speaking terms with em recently).
Also - seriously - the man's not making a blanket statement. He's talking about his own feelings on the matter.
Didn't think I'd see eye-to-eye with Schild on ANYTHING, but there you go. |
Wait, you're saying that "there is no parental issue that applies to most people" is a worse generalization than "parents don't respect children"? That's a hell of a leap.
schild, the way you phrased that made it sound like you thought most children tried to respect their parents despite not being respected. I don't think that's the case at all. The reason there is social pressure to respect your parents (with phone calls and Christmas visits, mostly) is that it's natural to drift away from them. After raising you for 18 years, most parents deserve the option of maintaining their relationship with you, even if you don't care for it. And yeah, there are a few parents who don't deserve this. |
ok great
let's focus on rudie's problem now. which is an entirely different brand of suck that I wish on nobody.
Edit: And just so you don't think I'm blowing you off, which I'm not, I really do just care more about the OP:
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| I am also, very much, not a respect your elders type. That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
That's my quote. Let's break it down.
1. I am also, very much, not a respect your elders type. That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us."
2. I am also, very much, not a respect your elders type.
3. I am
4. I
I don't know how that came across as this:
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| the way you phrased that made it sound like you thought most children tried to respect their parents despite not being respected. |
Bullshit, there is no goddamn way to argue that I'm somehow saying this has ANYTHING to do with "most children." |
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Leau

Joined: 05 Dec 2006 Location: Metro City
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Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:38 pm |
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Hey Rudie, how bout an update? Did you ever decide to move back to the states? How are your folks doing? How about you?
(Again, if it's too personal, just ignore me). _________________
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psiga saudade

Joined: 04 Dec 2006
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:34 am |
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I have no beef with you at all, schild, but I feel compelled to do this:
| schild wrote: |
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| I am also, very much, not a respect your elders type. That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us." |
That's my quote. Let's break it down.
1. I am also, very much, not a respect your elders type. That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us."
2. That always struck me as "we need to respect them even though they don't respect us."
3. respect us.
4. us.
I [now] know how that came across as this:
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| the way you phrased that made it sound like you thought most children tried to respect their parents despite not being respected. |
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Sorry. Just a greyhound-chasing-mechanical-rabbit thing on my part. _________________
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Tokyo Rude

Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Location: I'm on the phone Derrick!
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: Re: Rudie's Life Crisis |
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| Leau wrote: |
I had the exact opposite situation last year, when I contracted cancer, and had to move back in with my parents. That was really the only option, as my goof ball twenty something roommates can't really take care of you in the method required. So if I was in your situation, I would definitely move back to take care of my folks because they did the exact same thing for me. On the other hand....
| Tokyo Rude wrote: |
| Give up everything for my parents, as they gave up everything for me. |
Don't get into specifics if you don't want to, but what does that mean exactly? What did they give up for you? Is it just working to pay for school? Again, don't feel the need to talk about any of this to us, but it sounds like you feel your mom was a lousy parent growing up. They can't be both can they? Great parents who gave up everything, but also really bad ones?
I love my folks, but I have a lot of friends who have shitty parents. Various affairs, and addictions, and divorce, and just putting their own shit before their kids. And as I've grown older, I've realized; it's okay to write off your parents as losers at a certain point. I've had friends who finally had to cut ties, and they're much happier not always being pulled into shitstorms. It's a tough thing to do, and unthinkable when you're younger.
I guess that sounds really cold (especially in this context) but I've just seen people become so much happier when they finally get away from their retarded legacy. Having a child that you aren't prepared to raise isn't a unique event; It doesn't necessarily deserve to be rewarded. |
That was mostly me just being overtly dramatic.
I have a pretty good relationship with my father until realizing I was smarter than him. Last time I was at home, everytime I asked him a question that he didn't know the answer to he replied with "I don't know" and refuted any attempts to take a guess answer. Basically shutting down any possible conversation. So I stuck to just talking about my life in Japan...
My situation with my mother is well. She's fucking crazy.
My dad has a "meeting" with a surgeon in Houston. I don't know what that actually implies. He's telling me to hold off on making any decisions. If I do go back I imagine it might be around August or September. Wait until my contract ends. |
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