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birdcloud



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:03 am        Reply with quote

well okay, for you, bbp

numbers are back overnight get crazy
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true doom murderhead


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:09 am        Reply with quote

boy, you are quick!

man, those numbers add like a whole new layer of ... something!

i never knew vision had this many fans, actually

and... whoa, yeah, this is interesting stuff!

gonna roam some more now with my heart goggles!
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:03 am        Reply with quote

| BLUE | BLACK | PURPLE | wrote:
birdcloud wrote:
click the potion to make the hearts go up, only the hearts don't tell their number anymore because we did not like that and i guess i'm gonna take the whole thing out later when i'm not sleepy


oh come on! i didn't even get to see it in action!

psychologists advise to try every New Thing for about 2 weeks because that's the time it takes for people to adapt their habits, on average.

(so if you could never get used to flossing: force yourself to do it just two weeks and from then on it will be second nature.)

i want to see the hearts + numbers!

and I like them in red, because that's a good contrast to the forum's theme (well, the black one that i'm using at least)

Announcement: 2 weeks is the official playtesting time for all newities now


what is this bullshit
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:04 am        Reply with quote

psychocybernetics!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:05 am        Reply with quote

Dark Age Iron Savior wrote:
| BLUE | BLACK | PURPLE | wrote:
birdcloud wrote:
click the potion to make the hearts go up, only the hearts don't tell their number anymore because we did not like that and i guess i'm gonna take the whole thing out later when i'm not sleepy


oh come on! i didn't even get to see it in action!

psychologists advise to try every New Thing for about 2 weeks because that's the time it takes for people to adapt their habits, on average.

(so if you could never get used to flossing: force yourself to do it just two weeks and from then on it will be second nature.)

i want to see the hearts + numbers!

and I like them in red, because that's a good contrast to the forum's theme (well, the black one that i'm using at least)

Announcement: 2 weeks is the official playtesting time for all newities now


what is this bullshit


stop trolling, this isn't the axe
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:19 am        Reply with quote

no, I mean, what is that bullshit you just posted

adjusting to new concepts through timeframe mentality is for things that you are doing to improve yourself, such as flossing.

this is just you telling us that you want to enact some new feature so much that, no matter how or why we object to it upon it's immediate arrival, you're convinced we should leave it until we get used to it. that's not how it fucking works! There is obvious and open challenge to the idea that this is a good thing, yet you're implying we should treat it like a good thing (or not a bad thing) in order to 'give it a chance'.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:24 am        Reply with quote

nah it's just habits, regardless of purpose

nature doesn't know the difference
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:32 am        Reply with quote

what

I'm not saying it doesn't work for other things, I'm saying that it's wrong to apply it to other things in this particular instance!
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Touran



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:38 am        Reply with quote

DAIS, I upvoted all your posts.

I'm all for a smoother front-end and some of these ideas are great, but rating posts and threads is a seriously terrible idea.

Having this place turn from some hole in the wall dive bar to a bar with actual tables and chairs is awesome - just don't turn it into a club or disco where the ambient noise and flashy lights make it harder to hold a conversation.
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true doom murderhead


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:24 am    Post subject: you can't even TOUCH my vigor    Reply with quote

see, DAIS, that's more like it. express yourself, son.

i can rip your non-arguments to shreds thusly:

Quote:
adjusting to new concepts through timeframe mentality is for things that you are doing to improve yourself, such as flossing.


you are not even attacking anything i've said with this.

that's what i'd call an air ball

what that sentence is missing is a "and not for [...]" where [...] is a placeholder for something I supposedly said/implied that you consider to be incorrect (don't bother now though: spinach already tackled this to the ground!)

DAIS wrote:
this is just you telling us that you want to enact some new feature so much that, no matter how or why we object to it upon it's immediate arrival, you're convinced we should leave it until we get used to it. that's not how it fucking works! There is obvious and open challenge to the idea that this is a good thing, yet you're implying we should treat it like a good thing (or not a bad thing) in order to 'give it a chance'.


nope, not implying that, because in order to give anything a chance you have to first consider it a bad thing, or an undoable thing, otherwise you wouldn't need to 'give it a chance' because you'd just do it, welcome/accept it with open arms, annihilate it into your being.

doh!

so i am fully implying that it is a bad thing -- a bad thing in your eyes -- / so i am fully acknowledging that it is a bad thing in your eyes -- that you are opposed to it -- yet i am encouraging you to try it out for a 2 week evaluation period. if you can't get used to it by then (or whatever your personal time frame is concerning the matter in question) then you can't get used to it, period. that's not proof that the thing you're trying to get used to is a bad thing or a good thing, though. sometimes you can't get used to things that you consider good things. this is not about good and bad. i... i'm not going to get into good and bad because those two are super relative and -- basically -- only used for propaganda purposes. you can color anything good or bad. (well, at least i can.) i'm a pragmatic man: i'm only concerned with things working or not working. what purpose something might have for this person or that person is up to them. whatever the community wants or doesn't want is up to them. all i care about is to invent, to explore, to see things in action, to study them, etc.

I'm beyond good and evil, son!

don't fret.

(expanding on this and introducing a new argument!:) not everybody will have a chance to check out every new feature and form an opinion on it if it just vanishes after a day or two -- i didn't get a chance to see the heart + number, and I'm a pretty regular poster (at times). again: i want to see the things in action and know what they do. i want to know why people like them or why they don't like them. you're not telling me, specifically, why you don't like all the shiny new things. (keep in mind that i know it, of course, even without you saying a word, just, would be nice if you could verify, you know!)

DAIS wrote:
There is obvious and open challenge to the idea that this is a good thing


there are no arguments yet though. just fears, suspicions and other childishly weak shit.

just challenging something -- just shooting at it from a distance -- is a low tactic that won't work on sophisticated peeps! they will call you out on it and challenge you to introduce counter arguments. most of the time -- if negative people do come up with them -- those arguments are shit. negative people generally can't formulate ideas positively -- they can't build, only destroy; can't take new ground, only dig ditches to lackadaisically defend their old ground -- and thus they either lose it in the end because they can't introduce any new ideas, or they lose it because their ideas are much worse than the ideas they oppose.

see: your post.

DAIS wrote:
what

I'm not saying it doesn't work for other things, I'm saying that it's wrong to apply it to other things in this particular instance!


again with this: you're not saying why it is wrong in this particular instance. got to introduce a real argument of your own!

Touran wrote:
DAIS, I upvoted all your posts.

I'm all for a smoother front-end and some of these ideas are great, but rating posts and threads is a seriously terrible idea.


lol

dunno if the irony is intentional or unintentional.

it's funny though.

VOTING ON POSTS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA, SO I UPVOTED ALL YOUR POSTS

guys, you're already loving this feature, am I right?

it's like, you're kinda liking girls now and don't think they're disgusting anymore and you don't want to admit it because it is too shameful blush blush

DAIS, going to upvote your posts because you at least tried to give me contra! that's good! it's like, you need hackers that are trying to crack your firewall/anti-virus software if you're hoping to create a useful program! so yeah, bring the heat! gimme some good arguments against whatever feature! i'd like to hear 'em!
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:36 am        Reply with quote

yeah, I'm not even going to fucking read that nonsense because I can see by skimming it that it/'s your usual useless crap. fuck you. you're a shit poster and I'm glad I missed whatever mess you made back at IC.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:38 am        Reply with quote

Quote:
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true doom murderhead


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:51 am        Reply with quote

BotageL wrote:
Think we could use a TOPIC RATING SYSTEM in the Axe. I want to be able to make anonymous value judgments on threads without having to quick-reply to do so.


that is also nice!

it seems like anonymous voting is the way to go, anyways, because ... that's how voting always works?

TokyoRude wrote:
Hey I'm pretty sure the PM to email would be a breech of privacy. It also seems mostly superfluous?


acknowledged.

i just realized that i'll probably have to add every +/- comment to the list in the OP and that's a whole lot of stuff to keep track of. going to do that in bursts!
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negativedge
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:17 am        Reply with quote

god bbp, are you really going to make me go into detail on why this is a really bad idea

because I'll fucking do it (tomorrow)
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true doom murderhead


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:31 am        Reply with quote

negz0r i will fight you to the death on this (the day after tomorrow)
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:38 am        Reply with quote

yeah I'm not really into this rating idea but I guess it'll be fun to see how it goes for a few days
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Tokyo Rude



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:35 pm        Reply with quote

Making this a "hidden" number like post counts maybe?

Like a popup?

I don't know. I'm :/ to the idea.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 3:37 pm        Reply with quote

Dark Age Iron Savior wrote:
yeah, I'm not even going to fucking read that nonsense because I can see by skimming it that it/'s your usual useless crap. fuck you. you're a shit poster and I'm glad I missed whatever mess you made back at IC.


That was completely unnecessarily harsh.
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Mr. Mechanical
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:45 pm        Reply with quote

I'm actually kind of liking the potion thing now that it's doing something.

Though eventually we're going to start arguing about how we need another button to take away hearts for posts we don't like or whatever and by that point I'm going to be like well why don't we just add a diggbar type thing to the site and be done with it.

Actually I guess posts you don't like/don't find noteworthy you could just not potion and let them stand as they are. At least that way the positive/negative reinforcement social aspect is a bit more uhhh... fuzzy, I guess is the word I'm drawing right now at the moment and I think it's the right word for what I'm trying to express here.

That being that the potion thing is a neat idea for some kind of positive reinforcement of especially noteworthy posts, like what Post of the Week was originally intended to be once upon time when some of us (>.>) still cared about the general decorum of the place, but at the same time has the added benefit of not having a "digg down" button so all of the actual reinforcing will be positive/neutral. Depending on whether you decide to potion someone's post or not.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 5:07 pm        Reply with quote

can't we just replace the potion with flacid male genitalia

the more users click on it, the harder it gets

one-hundred up-votes and it shoots

it would be sort of like, "how fast can we jerk off X's post?"
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:08 pm        Reply with quote

Hey birdcloud, I think it would be nice if by every post was a small smiley face that when clicked would cycle through the smilies. It would help make this place a lot happier, since there will be a lot of smiles. It will also give me something to do while reading posts.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:12 pm        Reply with quote

Crunched some numbers, ran some queries, TURNS OUT the highest heart post was TMKF saying NO to Potions. Runners up of note include

so excited

suck my dick

AND

can we make this a potion circle jerk thread where everyone who is posting has to click everyone else's potion

So: EXPERIMENT OVER. That was tough! In the middle there, didn't know if we would make it! But now we are here, potion free, ready for the future about to come.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:17 pm        Reply with quote

Actual recommendations for the non-active mods (or axe mods I guess):

Ability to split threads.
Ability to flat out COPY POST (good for potential front page stuff and idea I have.)

Ability for someone to delete their own post at anytime maybe? I'm trying to think of the reprecussions of that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:18 pm        Reply with quote

I think you're just waiting for the withdrawal symptoms to kick in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:20 pm        Reply with quote

if we do that last thing there won't be any Troops posts left, i'm afraid
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:22 pm        Reply with quote

birdcloud that was kind of hasty, it hadn't gotten past the new toy/diversion phase of its lifecycle

even quick reply had a breaking in period before its novelty wore off
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:24 pm        Reply with quote

okay now they back

i dont know what to do?

hey what if you only got FIVE potions a day
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:24 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah those two weeks sure went by pretty quick didn't they?

Oh hey they're back again.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:28 pm        Reply with quote

birdcloud wrote:
i don't know what to do.

Just let it ride for a while man, see how it goes.

birdcloud wrote:
hey what if you only got FIVE potions a day

Yeah I don't know about that.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:33 pm        Reply with quote

just sit back
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:35 pm        Reply with quote

hey what if potions only had a TWO in THREE chance of working

what if potions sometimes land a CRITICAL HEART and up everyone in the thread

what if using potions slowly stains your avatar red so that everyone knows when you become a potion abuser
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:36 pm        Reply with quote

Whoa those are all some pretty wild ideas man. I like where your head is!

But I'm still waiting for extralife's big Argument Against.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 7:08 pm        Reply with quote

each member has fifty hp allowed in a day; users can downrate their posts (poison potions) so that a poster's hp lowers; once a person's hp hits zero, it is impossible for them to post until the next day, or until users normal-portion them to raise their hp; any poster can co-op a post with up to five people for a combined total of 350 hp; if that collective hp of the original poster is reduced to zero, every poster involved in the group has their hp drop to zero

lol
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:27 pm        Reply with quote

Tokyo Rude wrote:
Actual recommendations for the non-active mods (or axe mods I guess):

Ability to split threads.
Ability to flat out COPY POST (good for potential front page stuff and idea I have.)

Yes, please!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 8:59 pm        Reply with quote

wordfilter-request:
[sentence with "potion" and "hate"] -> Potions are totally GNARLY
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:00 pm        Reply with quote

we can split threads, we just can't merge them. I would really like to see a merge thread function.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:24 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, actually, that's what I thought Rudie said. I'm sure it's what he meant. If not, well, it's what I meant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:02 pm        Reply with quote

By merging threads A & B do you mean

1) append B in order to A and delete B

OR

2) interleave A & B into one thread by post time (so it might go A1 A2 B1 A3 B2 etc)

Either should be pretty easy.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:38 pm        Reply with quote

I like hearts/potions as a little throwaway way of saying something, practically meaningless. It would be cool if they had more of a game aspect to them ala what birdcloud said.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 1:31 am        Reply with quote

You know, Birdcloud, I actually haven't thought about which way would be more useful. Probably go with option 2, though, as it would make for more hilarious automated recontextualizations of posts. Although, Option 1 could be combined with clever thread splitting to create some fascinating conversations by a moderhater...

Flip a coin, man!
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:57 am        Reply with quote

birdcloud wrote:
By merging threads A & B do you mean

1) append B in order to A and delete B

OR

2) interleave A & B into one thread by post time (so it might go A1 A2 B1 A3 B2 etc)

Either should be pretty easy.


why not do 1 by default and put a check box for 2 or something? so you could just slap all of B to the end A, or you could interleave them (I think it might make the most sense just to sort the posts by date entered instead of just shuffling them)
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