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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:11 am        Reply with quote

Mint currently has twelve threads on the first page of Forum Axe.

Could we please tweak the pruning mechanism to wait one more day before it chops out topics?
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Shiren the Launderer



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:20 am        Reply with quote

It would be easier to ban Mint.
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Persona-sama
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 6:47 am        Reply with quote

Or have a limit on how many new threads can be made by a single poster a day.

Or just mint.
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Tulpa



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:28 am        Reply with quote

implement machine learning algorithms that work off of tf-idf tags on every single thread so that search will point you to the thread you want before you even realize it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 9:46 pm        Reply with quote

would support a mint daily topic-making cap
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 11:12 pm       Co-Op: mint Reply with quote

you guys are so tsundere for mint, all this tippy-toeing around shit, just ignore his threads or ban him
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Tokyo Rude



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 4:54 am        Reply with quote

I would ban him because he is bringing everyone's forum axe experience down.

Or winkerban him.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:28 am        Reply with quote

Shiren the Launderer wrote:
It would be easier to ban Mint.
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 7:06 am        Reply with quote

I SEE YOU BIRDCLOUD
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2009 5:40 pm        Reply with quote

Epic schooled
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 4:19 am        Reply with quote

ban him or someone mod me so i can fucking ban him
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This Machine Kills Fascis
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:56 pm        Reply with quote

Persona: The Liquidator
When something must be done, he is the man to do it.

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"No judge, I hold you in contempt!"

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"I just did!"

"That's right commissioner, keep your hands nice and clean! But don't you ever forget that I'm out there--for all of you, so you can tuck your kids in at night without staining the sheets. What I do with these hands.... My sins are your sins--societies sins! You create a problem and I am the solution! You ask a question, and I am the answer!"

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 1:39 am        Reply with quote

can we have some function that lets me ignore certain posters?

like, make it so i am unable to see their posts and any quotes of their posts, nor would i be able to see threads created by them.

also, this website be fucking slow.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 7:11 am        Reply with quote

Yeah, I'd like a personal ban option too.

Hi tim, how's dragon quest 9?


Also, TMKF: that is my daily life.

"I'm taking you off this case, Persona! You're a loose cannon!"
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birdcloud



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:56 am        Reply with quote

Takashi wrote:
birdcloud wrote:
Quick reply only passes text through to the posting.php script; any stalling with quick reply would have happened just the same with the full reply page. Thing is phpBB simply isn't well designed software. After a post has been successfully put into the database, phpBB goes on to add every word in the post into an index used for searching. This involves dozens of string replace functions which have to run over the body of your post again & again and then finally a couple mass inserts into said indices, which can easily get locked out if someone else is posting at about the same time. And of course, because phpBB uses the MyISAM engine with MySQL, the entirety of the post tables are locked while all this is going on. Post at a busy time and long long waits are, sadly, normal behavior.
Yeah, when I was given the keys to to the SB realm because dreamhost was bitchy and 500 errors kept showing, the first thing I found out was that the search table had grown beyond human reason. Clearing it out (I erased all indexes up to 3 letters) speed up posts a bit, mas it's just a finger in a ever-filling dam. But if you're actively dicking with the forum software, you could change the way the search is implemented. Just filtering out the smaller words will speed things up.


EXPERIMENT: to avoid all the tortuous filtering & querying mentioned above, I've completely disabled phpBB's indexing of posts and replaced it with a FULLTEXT index supported natively by MySQL (phpBB is meant to be database-agnostic, but SB is and ever will use MySQL's MyISAM engine so I'm exploiting that). Hopefully, this will speed up posting & (especially) editing and in general increase concurrency (a few fewer full table locks). Of course, actually fitting accurate benchmarks around phpBB would be a pretty herculean task, so evidence for/against has got to anecdotal.

AND if no one really notices any difference either way, new search ought to at least give better results. For example, you can now sort by relevance! phpBB had only sorting by date, author, forum, etc. -- no search metrics because i don't know who ever want those

(woah editing seems pretty quick a little quicker now)
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psiga
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:20 am        Reply with quote

birdcloud wrote:
EXPERIMENT: to avoid all the tortuous filtering & querying mentioned above, I've completely disabled phpBB's indexing of posts and replaced it with a FULLTEXT index supported natively by MySQL (phpBB is meant to be database-agnostic, but SB is and ever will use MySQL's MyISAM engine so I'm exploiting that). Hopefully, this will speed up posting & (especially) editing and in general increase concurrency (a few fewer full table locks).

I am speechless in awe and thanks. (I hope that you are enjoying and learning from this tinkering with the awful and primitive guts of phpBB.)
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:36 pm        Reply with quote

oh god it's like the search page evolved into a powerful, dangerous new form
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:24 pm        Reply with quote

It's Christmas in DAISland.
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| BLUE | BLACK | PURPLE |
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 3:53 pm        Reply with quote

yeah, it's hot, birdcloud! right in time too, because things been getting super slow (anecdotally), and I've been getting a lot of "500"s.

also, thanks for the Quick Quote!
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birdcloud



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:22 am        Reply with quote

Another optimization I'm trying: there are two session tables in the database that check your cookies, keep you logged in, make sure you're who you say you are, so on. Both are searched when loading any page. One is updated to every minute, and the other is updated every single refresh. Updating locks the whole table, and the frequency and ubiquity of this event may be the cause of long stalls just trying to bring up the main page. THEREFORE I've changed the sessions tables to use the MEMORY engine. They'll be kept in RAM (appropriate to their transient nature) and never have to read or write to disk, which is much much faster and should hopefully smooth things out a bit.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:58 am        Reply with quote

birdcloud you're a surgeon
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psiga
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:34 am        Reply with quote

eskaibo wrote:
birdcloud you're a rocket surgeon

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psiga
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:25 am        Reply with quote

Very noticeably faster.

Total rocket surgeon.
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lofighost
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:49 am        Reply with quote

search page looks so nice~
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birdcloud



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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 1:25 pm        Reply with quote

108 wrote:
can we have some function that lets me ignore certain posters?

like, make it so i am unable to see their posts and any quotes of their posts, nor would i be able to see threads created by them.


Did part of this because all the noise over so-and-so being awful etc. is as unsightly as the posters in question. No need to complain now!

Everybody: click Ignoring next to Profile at the top menu and be on the way to the forum of your dreams! Be sure to type usernames exactly. Use the Look up username link inside for help. When eventually you have silenced everyone and loneliness presses close, click the Acknowledge buttons to return them their tongue.

Rough edges: because recalculating topic reply counts based on each user ignore list would be way way too expensive, stats in the topic list remain unchanged. If you end up going to page where everyone who's talking you've ignored, you'll get a little message and a couple helpful links. Pagination within threads, however, is properly tallied.
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Chuplayer
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:27 pm        Reply with quote

Honestly, ignore features are part of the reason why we're so miserable in the 21st century.

But in mint's case, I'll make an exception. That cunt is so fucking annoying. Bye bye mint! Forever!
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psiga
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:28 pm        Reply with quote

Although I'm not really part of the uber-vocal so-and-so being awful brigade, I'm testing it out anyway. I'll use Chup here as the target dummy.

What if I don't want to see the threads that he starts? For example, I might not ever want to see if he decides to make a thread all like "I just threw up on a puppy. And that's the good news."

Also I notice that it still shows him in quotes. Perhaps quotes of him should be spoiler-tag hidden?

Also I notice that it's still showing his name when he has posted at all; so, like the sticky thread in General about how to properly embed a youtube file is still showing him as the last person to post in the thread. I don't really care about the reply count, but what if I'd like to just imagine that he doesn't post at all?


On that note, if you aren't clogged up with to-dos already, would it be possible to make it so we can embed youtube videos without having to manually clip the <param> stuff? I presume that there were some security issues involved, so it might not be worth the trouble. It would just be kinda nice.

Thank you thank you, either way.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:07 pm        Reply with quote

Thanks again birdcloud!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:46 pm        Reply with quote

thanks birdcloud
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dark steve
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:08 pm        Reply with quote

the ignore feature is actually somewhat problematic for really large threads.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:17 pm        Reply with quote

if it causes you a problem dont use it.
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Zebadayus
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:33 pm        Reply with quote

Thanks Birdcloud!

Yeah, there are threads where someone has posted who's not on my ignore list, but it gives me the "All posts that would be displayed for this page are by users you are ignoring." message anyway.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:40 pm        Reply with quote

Zebadayus can't read this post
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:44 pm        Reply with quote

I can't read this post!!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:29 pm        Reply with quote

dark steve wrote:
the ignore feature is actually somewhat problematic for really large threads.
Zebadayus wrote:
Yeah, there are threads where someone has posted who's not on my ignore list, but it gives me the "All posts that would be displayed for this page are by users you are ignoring." message anyway.


Right now, the ignore feature tries to always get the full 40 posts per page. If some of what page 2 would have (with no ignoring) is ignored, then posts will be pulled from what would have been page 3 to get that 40. This works fine within a thread but screws up counts & links from the forum page.

SO INSTEAD ignoring could filter out posts after the 40 have been picked. You'd sometimes end up with shorter pages (if there are 15 posts you're ignoring, you'll seem to have a 25 post page) and sometimes you might even get a completely blank page in the middle of a thread. HOWEVER the pagination will match inside and out, and you can for example click to go to last page of a thread & be guaranteed to actually see the most recent posts if you're not ignoring them (without having to click 'Go to previous page' possibly several times).

Would this be preferred? Could also have the above not drop posts but replace them by big empty boxes. You won't know whose posts those are (unless you've only ignored one person) but it will be clearer what's going on. I suppose I could make this part a per-user option too.


psiga wrote:
Also I notice that it's still showing his name when he has posted at all; so, like the sticky thread in General about how to properly embed a youtube file is still showing him as the last person to post in the thread. I don't really care about the reply count, but what if I'd like to just imagine that he doesn't post at all?


Ids for last posts are cached within the topics table. Finding the true last post after ignoring for every topic on a page would be too costly. I could however blank out the last poster's name if you're ignoring him, so all that's left is numbers.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:55 pm        Reply with quote

birdcloud this feature is a really bad idea and will only encourage the tendencies of certain cliques and destroys any remaining pretenses of maturity and civility on the forum.

Keep up the good work.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:14 pm        Reply with quote

oh no!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:20 pm        Reply with quote

birdcloud wrote:
Could also have the above not drop posts but replace them by big empty boxes.


trying this on for the moment
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Zebadayus
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:20 pm        Reply with quote

birdcloud implemented it so he could ignore us all D:
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:23 pm        Reply with quote

second tier will be replacing all posters with ELIZA
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:25 pm        Reply with quote

I think that the ignore feature is a bad idea, because there's not enough people on the forum to "support" such a system; e.g., if the (few) prolific posters ignore other prolific posters, there could be repeat posts and ideas put forward in some weird space of confusion.

Also I rethink my stance on potions and wish for them again.
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