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A New Duck
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Birdcloud, this is awesome. I've already added a team of elite Axe superstars to my iGoogle. Thanks!
Sent from my Quick Reply box.
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niitaka
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 4:46 am |
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hey this is all pretty slick
edit: OH YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE AWESOME
if you could:
a) subscribe to a thread or
b) get somehow notified of replies after you post in a topic or
c) get somehow notified when someone quotes you (which usually means they are responding to you)
you could get PMs or something! although that may fill up pretty quick.
sometimes i forget that i posted in a topic somewhere and i find out a week later that i got replies |
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This Machine Kills Fascis
Unfinite Indiscovery
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:22 am |
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| Man, I've always assumed that SB had the option of sending you e-mails when people respond to you, but that I turned it off, because I hate that sort of thing. |
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lofighost
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:29 am |
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Good gravy, awesome stuff, birdcloud!
Being able to merge threads and posts is a pretty handy thing to have around. Would thread/post merging be too much of a thing to do?
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psiga
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:18 am |
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OH! Spoiler tags, s'il vous plait? I'm not sure how you'd prefer to implement it — personally I'd just [s]CSS up a black text background and identical font color[/s], but you might have other ideas.
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niitaka
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:14 am |
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| This Machine Kills Fascis wrote: |
| Man, I've always assumed that SB had the option of sending you e-mails when people respond to you, but that I turned it off, because I hate that sort of thing. |
you know what! you are right! i think it's turned off by default and i never knew that setting was there! |
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true doom murderhead
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Austria
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:25 am |
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| niitaka wrote: |
hey this is all pretty slick
edit: OH YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE AWESOME
if you could:
a) subscribe to a thread or
b) get somehow notified of replies after you post in a topic or
c) get somehow notified when someone quotes you (which usually means they are responding to you)
you could get PMs or something! although that may fill up pretty quick.
sometimes i forget that i posted in a topic somewhere and i find out a week later that i got replies |
except for c) all of that exists already
When you write a post you can check "Notify me when a reply is posted".
Or: click the little link at the bottom left corner of any thread. Look for it right now!
Or enable it in your profile. You'll be watching every topic you've posted in. (That's what I do and the Secret To My Success.)
"Watching a topic" means that you'll get Topic Reply Notifications from selectbutton sent to your email address. (the one you've registered with. which you can't change. which is a bit annoying.) It contains a clickable link to the first new post in the thread. there may be several new posts, yet you'll get only one email notification until you check the thread.
It's great! Although sometimes it seems to crap out, somehow. Sometimes you don't get notified, so you can't rely 100% on it.
My BIG IDEA was two-fold from the start: one thing was the RSS stalking of select posters, the other thing the upgrade of the Topic Reply Notifications. Why can't it just send me the new posts instead of a link to the forum containing the new posts? I wanted that to be somewhat RSSy too... have SB come to me instead of the other way around.
So yeah, ideal scenario: snoop around SB, find interesting thread (or person), post in it (subscribe to his or faithless' feed), have it on watch automatically, get every following reply sent to your email/RSS reader/Super Specialized SB Forum Browsing Software (comes with 12 free games!)/whatever!
That's how we ride in the future! At least mentally I'm ridin' like that already. Physically SB is still not there but we're making lightning quick headway fast!!! (<-- awesome overemphasizing business lingo)
oh yeah, and replying to the posts that are sent to you should be possible too. Without going to the forum at all. With hands off. Just operating from your ghost ship, sending cannon balls flying over to SB. That's all part of the dream/future, the way I see it.
Check out my axe thread that birdcloud linked in the OP. There's some more of those ideas in there.
in the end, if all of this works out we could even have a desktop app that's specifically designed around browsing forums. you'd be able to log into all the forums you frequent just by opening that app and you'd have it display all the posts you missed, you could reply them and even cross post things from one forum to another. It would be The Next Level. Meta Forums. Think of how you can sit in a cafe and check out all the newspapers they've got there; you can also leave that cafe, walk down the street and sit down in another one; what we've got now is pretty much a private helicopter with which to fly from spot to spot, city to city, cafe to cafe, thus getting to read more newspapers from all over the place, every morning; the much more efficient thing to do would be to just visit every cafe once, see what newspapers they have and if you like any of them at all and then subscribe to them, get them sent to your doorstep every day.
that analogy would be so much better if cafes were classically known to print their own gossip newspapers filled with what its guests were talking about. So you'd have a page in that newspaper about how POSTER X and POSTER Y were flaming each other, but also a page where they print what the Local Artist wrote or drew in the cafe while having a cappuccino.
They aren't though. Maybe because I never bothered to open one!?
So, keeping with the newspaper analogy, this RSS stalking function is like -- instead of subscribing to a whole newspaper, -- subscribing to the columns of your favorite authors/journalists/political caricaturists/whatever. Saves a lot of digital paper and quite some time, too! |
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true doom murderhead
Joined: 17 May 2008
Location: Austria
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:32 am |
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and guys: you know that Information page you get after posting a reply? let's have a link there that says CLICK HERE TO EDIT YOUR MESSAGE BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST SENT IT YOU NEED TO CORRECT SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST CAUGHT IN THE CORNER OF YOUR EYES YOU DUMBASS
in as many words or less
it will be of use to me 99 times out of a 100
EDIT: IF that page is to stay at all and we don't get to do everything on the normal thread page, which I hope we will |
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niitaka
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:47 am |
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BPP we are thinking alike. check out my post in the axe thread!
edit: GOOGLE WAVE PLEASE GIVE US THIS FUTURE
the problem with rss is that it's only one way. we can get all the notifications we need from SB but we won't be able to reply without clicking a link.
although if it's just one link that goes straight to a reply box that wont be that bad. (and next to the reply link is also the quote button) |
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true doom murderhead
Joined: 17 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:10 am |
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| niitaka wrote: |
BPP we are thinking alike. check out my post in the axe thread!
edit: GOOGLE WAVE PLEASE GIVE US THIS FUTURE
the problem with rss is that it's only one way. we can get all the notifications we need from SB but we won't be able to reply without clicking a link.
although if it's just one link that goes straight to a reply box that wont be that bad. (and next to the reply link is also the quote button) |
Yeah, we are! I'm going to post (or send you) sort of a more complete design doc with all the ideas I came up with, because some of them aren't posted anywhere except for PMs and I need to re-organize/update the stuff anyway.
dunno if I wrote about google wave in the axe thread once i had checked it out or if that was a PM, so I'll say it in brief here now: Google Wave seemingly does everything except forums. It's basically all google products rolled into one: gmail, gmail IM, google docs, picasa, etc.
it's the platform that does everything except give people a forum. so... Google wave really doesn't touch upon any of our ideas. i suppose Google.com itself is the forum. maybe the whole internet is google's forum.
that's not as overwhelmingly useful as it sounds though! because as we can all see, small, tight-knit and specialized communities/fora have their strengths. |
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true doom murderhead
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 8:50 am |
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| niitaka wrote: |
| the problem with rss is that it's only one way. we can get all the notifications we need from SB but we won't be able to reply without clicking a link. |
there could possibly a million ways around this.
my first idea is: is it possible to create a link that will not only send you to the "Post a reply" page but to the information page after that? meaning: can you type something into the address bar that will cause you to post something? like you know how you can just go straight to a search in google by entering something like http://www.google.com/search?q=hello+world
if can you actually enter the text into the address bar and have it posted then i'm sure it wouldn't be all that hard to find a way to make that utilize that in a user friendly way.
first thing I can think of would be: i check the RSS feed in google reader see something that i want to reply to and let's say that there's a special reply link added into the RSS to let me do just that. I write my reply in google docs because i happen to have it open in another window, I paste the link to my google docs file into the reply link I got from the RSS and enter it into my address bar; it reaches the SB server which starts a script that looks at my google docs file, converts all the italics and everything into BBCode and posts it in the thread.
don't see how this couldn't be possible -- though I also don't know how to physically do it, step by step, because I'm no programmer!
to me it's all like one of those contraptions that you might seen in Home Alone or something like that; where someone rings a doorbell and it's not a bell at all but just the tip of a stick that's stuck through the wall and on the other side of the wall the stick being pushed causes a marble to roll across a table until it finally goes over the edge and down a slide, where at the end it activates a mouse trap, which has a string to it that gets pulled as the trap snaps shut, and at the end of the string there's a [...]
i suppose that's all i really know about programming! that it's about one event setting off another. and, i guess, that the trick is to figure out how to connect one thing with another. and it's always possible somehow; because if you have one thing that causes an effect, even if it's a one-way effect, then that can be used as a cause for another effect. always. it's just figuring out how to detect and utilize/transform that effect -- build something that can do that -- that is the problem.
but sure: part of good design is to get rid of unnecessary moving parts. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 10:53 am |
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A New Duck
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:15 pm |
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Amusingly, the word filters aren't reflected in the RSS feeds.
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spinach
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what, on the site? i can't. haven't rss fed off anybody yet though.
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This Machine Kills Fascis
Unfinite Indiscovery
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| Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:46 pm |
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No, he meant in the RSS feed. I don't see it as a problem. The Axe is a gated community. I don't care if people can look over the fence.
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Daphaknee
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:51 am |
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oh god this is great! thank you!
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parker
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:21 am |
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| That magical mythical place. |
Doesn't all this fancy shit mean axe posts are going to be saved in peoples RSS feeding machine things? I thought that part of the magic and myth of the axe was that nothing is permant, etc. Now how are people supposed to get into the mood of being comfortable in confessing to embarassing shit, when some weirdo is going to be saving a record of it, printing it out and pining it to his wall. Like a parallel dimension selectbutton, where we never found out about doll guy putting his dick in his mothers asshole, because for one moment in his life he felt some measure of shame and hesitation. Impossible? Fantastic? I cannot say, but I can say that I don't know if this is a world I am prepared for. Maybe this was addressed here already though, I don't know, all this technical talk, I see it and I just sort of end up skimming through it all.
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This Machine Kills Fascis
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| Now how are people supposed to get into the mood of being comfortable in confessing to embarassing shit, when some weirdo is going to be saving a record of it, printing it out and pining it to his wall. |
Parker, if someone is this pathetic you should really just allow them what little solace they're socially equipped to grasp with their grubby little hands.
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birdcloud
Joined: 31 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:49 am |
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| There are no mysterious secret admin/mod boards in SB, right? Because if the SQL query is bypassing permissions, those show up too. |
yes but one would write his SQL query to explicitly skip those. wish i could check permissions properly but what feed reader will look through your browser's cookies?
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| Doesn't all this fancy shit mean axe posts are going to be saved in peoples RSS feeding machine things? |
these feeds are generated from the database every time they're requested. when the axe is pruned, posts are removed from the database and thus the feeds. to save shit, you'd have to copy and paste to a text file, same as always.
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spinach
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:46 am |
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takashi, if there is one, the troika is not privy to it ;_;
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This Machine Kills Fascis
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| spinach wrote: |
| takashi, if there is one, the troika is not privy to it ;_; |
Damn. I loved the idea of you and Tim having an ongoing conversation in a void.
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Mr. Mechanical
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| spinach wrote: |
| takashi, if there is one, the troika is not privy to it ;_; |
There is one, actually. Only fifteen people can see it and post in it, but no one ever does.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:59 pm |
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This is pretty amazing stuff. All hail, King Birdcloud. What is this new SelectButton, and what will the future bring? Are our dreams memories, or something inbetween?
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Cossix
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:10 am |
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| yes but one would write his SQL query to explicitly skip those. wish i could check permissions properly but what feed reader will look through your browser's cookies? |
You could pass your own username and password as arguments for permission stuff. Fogbugz does that. It's not really secure, but it's not like this forum uses SSL or anything fancy for authentication anyways. |
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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| am I missing any posts that actually detail how the collaborative post thing works? |
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birdcloud
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:36 am Co-Op: Dark Age Iron Savior |
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| Dark Age Iron Savior wrote: |
| am I missing any posts that actually detail how the collaborative post thing works? |
No, only some posts in the Axe. The mechanism is simple: add usernames in the Play Co-Op Mode section when making or editing a post and they get edit privileges for that particular post. Co-Op posts show who has privileges in the headers, next to the post dates. There's no collision resolution presently, so if two people edit at the same time, only one can get saved. Not especially useful, I admit; it's more an experiment and an exercise (a tag system should be structurally very similar).
(ps you have been given edit privileges for this post)
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Iacus
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:00 pm |
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Can you use a wildcard or something to give editing privileges to anyone, or only a per-user system is supported?
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Dark Age Iron Savior
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additionally, it might spoil a bit of the surprise, but some kind of sub-feed for users to check what (additional) posts they can edit might be warranted.
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BenoitRen
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| parker wrote: |
| I thought that part of the magic and myth of the axe was that nothing is permant, etc. Now how are people supposed to get into the mood of being comfortable in confessing to embarassing shit, when some weirdo is going to be saving a record of it, printing it out and pining it to his wall. |
You talk as if this isn't already possible.
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This Machine Kills Fascis
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| Flackon wrote: |
| Can you use a wildcard or something to give editing privileges to anyone, or only a per-user system is supported? |
I asked the same thing. I was also hoping for a way to randomize it, so I could essentially prank myself by posting something, forgetting I'd hit the random co-op button, and returning to find that it just said "JUGZ JUGZ JUGZ."
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:21 pm Co-Op: This Machine Kills Fascis |
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| This Machine Kills Fascis wrote: |
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Uhm... okay?
Everybody else: I have compiled a rambling document containing all the ideas uttered here and the axe thread and I am doing my best to structure it right now. Once I'm done I'll Co-Op the OP and add everything to the list of future features.
I think we will then vote by quote! (as in, quote for emphasis/truth the things that we'd like to see first/the most.) |
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| psiga wrote: |
| OH! Spoiler tags, s'il vous plait? I'm not sure how you'd prefer to implement it — personally I'd just [s]CSS up a black text background and identical font color[/s], but you might have other ideas. |
Yeah, a proper spoiler tag would be really nice. Occasionally people try to match their text color to the background of the post but screw up, so the text is still somewhat visible. This method also doesn't account for different forum themes.
Thanks for all the hard work. |
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birdcloud
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testing spoiler on dark aeris dies don't read it okay
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birdcloud
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testing spoiler on light aeris dies don't read it okay
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birdcloud
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| testing spoiler on light aeris dies don't read it okay |
testing spoiler on quote
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Okay! We can now use [spoiler] blah blah blah [/spoiler]. It works with all themes on both background colors and in quotes. I'll add a button to the full reply page soon. EDIT: okay did that too.
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It doesn't seem to be working for me, using the standard pumpkin theme. Shows up white against the quote where all the rest of the text is black, so it is doing something at least.
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birdcloud
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Huh. What browser are you using? Only tested the CSS in Safari and Firefox. EDIT: nevermind, tried IE too. I can't reproduce it. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Opera, actually.
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