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slipstream
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 Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:21 am Post subject: So, how can I get military recruiters off my campus |
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I go to a public high school, in California. They're here every other week, basically (2nd & 4th Tuesdays). Let's face it, they're skeezy people whose only interest is to fill combat boots. So, advice on how to deal with 'em, stories of being TOTALLY RADIKAL, the odd rah rah i love america post, please.
I'm thinking about pursuing the don't ask, don't tell angle with a side of something i haven't decided yet.
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slipstream
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:30 am |
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Well, I'm a senior, if that helps you feel any less old.
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slipstream
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:51 pm |
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| Joe wrote: |
You're a fucking punk. What the hell is wrong with military recruiters again?
The military provides many people a way out of working minimum wage jobs for the rest of their lives. |
So do jobs as fire fighters, police officers, community college classes etc etc.
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Are you one of those LOL THE MITITARY SUX ALL DUMB GRUNTS RITE GUYS |
I am firmly against war of any type and I don't support the troops, but I don't think the military is filled with a bunch of morons.
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This isn't a goddamnd draft, no one is forcing anyone to go into the military, and I've yet to see a recruiter try to decieve anyone into joining any branch of the military. This is just utter disrespect and ignorance. |
When did you graduate?
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slipstream
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:16 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
Regardless of my opinions on the military, or your opinions on the military, if you really think they are doing evil to your high school body, actually do something about it instead of pulling childish pranks and half-baked protests.
If you think your recruiters are conducting themselves improperly, gather your evidence and talk to the administration at your high school. If they won't listen, talk to someone at your local Dept. of Education or a school board representative.
There are mature, effective ways to deal with things you disagree with, and there are dumb, annoying, pointless ways to do it. Harassing some guy who's working a recruiting job because he was told to isn't going to accomplish anything, and it's just going to make you look like a dumb high school kid. |
No offense to dess, but I was looking to avoid die-ins and do this as legitimately as possible. I've already talked to one of the vice principals and the lady in the career center. I'm doing some more research on the legality of banning recruiters and then I'll present my ideas to the principal and see how high I can take things.
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Oh God, my sides! My fucking sides, you son of a bitch!
You should do a stand-up of that shit, man.
Go on, tell me the UN is useful. Go on, man. I'm sure you can deliver that one better than I ever could.
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The UN is useful. It's the only forum that every nation state of the world is a part of and is a useful place to resolve disputes and work on problems. Maybe it's the two years of Model United Nations talking. What's wrong with the UN?
because armed conflicts between nation states are rarely, if ever, are waged for the benefit of the citizens
in addition to the whole killing people is morally wrong
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:22 am |
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| Ebrey wrote: |
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| There is such a thing as military action for good. The UN uses it all the time. |
Are you talking about the same UN that declined to stop the Rwandan genocide? The few genocides that the Western world has stopped (the holocaust, Kosovo) were organized by different groups like the Allies in WWII and NATO.
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The UN can only take actions that have been voted on by its member states, so rather than look at it as the fault of the UN, point the finger at every represenative that didn't vote to help stop said genocide. The UN wasn't even around during the Holocaust so you can't blame it for not stopping Hitler. As for Rwanda? I'd have to go look up voting records and such.
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slipstream
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:59 pm |
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| Ebrey wrote: |
What about Darfur? The UN was going to send a peacekeeping force to the area, then backed down BECAUSE SUDAN ASKED THEM NOT TO. When a country is trying to wipe out an ethnic group, you generally don't ask politely whether you are allowed to send in a military force.
I'm convinced that 99% of the support for the UN stems from the fact that republicans don't like it.
By the way, there was a UN-like organisation around during WWII called the League of Nations. It was replaced by the UN because the LoN had become a laughingstock. Today's UN is in the exact same situation. |
The UN can't violate a nation state's sovereignty. Sovereignty is kind of a UN fetish. The UN often doesn't have the power to do things so much as the power to not do things. So it's far easier to vote to stop aid than to get the permission to send in a force and then get a resolution through with the right kind of language. And yeah, League of Nations died way before WWII.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 5:10 am |
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| Dracko wrote: |
| slipstream wrote: |
| in addition to the whole killing people is morally wrong |
That's entirely subjective, and arguably short-sighted and emotionally-charged. |
Dracko, it's not arguably short-sighted. You're a sociopath.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 10:38 pm |
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| internisus wrote: |
Regarding the international/global world, moral responsibility, and the deplorable actions of the United States, my feeling is that the United Nations must become a far stronger organization than it is. It needs to be capable of overriding the will of its most powerful members, and it needs a clear constitution of ethics, pragmatism, and international courtesy.
When the United States came to the UN with the desire to wage war on Iraq, the UN and pretty much all of its members urged the US to stand down and allow the UN's people the time they required to check the relevant intelligence and to inspect Iraq for WMDs. However, the US refused, went and invaded, and lo, we know quite clearly that there were no WMDs there, that Iraq had no ties to 9/11 (used as an incendiary to generate US public support for the war), and that the intelligence founding the war was not only faulty, but partially forged as well. Now, the UN should have punished the United States greatly for this. There should, at the very least, have been sanctions or strict forced reductions to military or a diminished voice in the forum, but as far as I know nothing was done and the administration behind the war continues to govern without penalty. |
Here's where it's difficult for the UN. As an organization dedicated to world peace, it's not.... their first inclination to crucify a country, much less one of the most powerful nations in the world. And unfortunately for the United Nations, America is powerful enough and self sufficient enough to not really be affected by any sanctions, beyond the symbolic sting of not being the cool kid everyone wants to hang out with anymore. It would take a lot more to get sanctions, and even then it's iffy. Unfortunately, the UN remains very passive about judging other countries for their sins, so you get countries like Iraq becoming chairpersons of various human rights Organs.
I don't think the UN needs to become more powerful, we just need more leaders that are willing to look seriously at the flaws of their nations and be willing to change. People like George Bush et al are never going to take the language of the UN seriously. Being the source of "grave concern" and "strongly disagreed" with won't do anything to stop head strong asses of leaders.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 11:12 pm |
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| Dracko wrote: |
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| I don't think the UN needs to become more powerful, we just need more leaders that are willing to look seriously at the flaws of their nations and be willing to change. |
Now how do you suggest the UN encourage that, considering how little authority it holds? For all the talk of idealism, no ideal can survive without it being permeated. And that requires force and power.
People aren't going to take the language of the UN seriously because the language of the UN is just plain weak. |
There's no easy way to move beyond the might makes rights mindset of nation states, that I can see. I think countries are more willing to accept that their actions have international ramification in the wake of global warming, kyoto protocols et al. Although Neoconservatism in America kind of monkey wrenches this, I think looking at international relations as a whole, countries and leaders have come to terms with the necessity of interdependence and the need to not be total dicks to each other.
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| Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2007 4:17 am |
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| Shapermc wrote: |
| I only read the first page, but hey guys, guess what? I'm in the military. Get over it. |
we're over it?
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