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klikbeep
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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 Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 3:06 pm |
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Dess: Why, in your view, is the military worthy of scorn? Why should the options that they bring to the table be shouted down in a flurry of demonstration and song? What is so dangerous in their message that they deserve to be chased and shooed? In bare essentials: why do they deserve derision?
Joe: Why, in your view, is the military worth of kudos? Why should the opinions that they bring to the table by given a place of honor and adequate lighting? What is so valuable in their message that they deserve to be regarded and listened to? In bare essentials: why do they deserve praise?
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klikbeep
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:21 pm |
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| luvcraft wrote: |
| klikbeep, the equal-opportunity devil's advocate. |
Pff! Why, everybody knows that the military consists of a bunch of:
1) Machismo-driven baby killers!
-OR-
2) Chiseled protectors of our basic freedoms! |
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klikbeep
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 4:49 pm |
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| zebadayus wrote: |
"Adults have their reasons. You children who
see the world in black and white will learn soon enough about shades of grey."
This quote is in support of me supporting Suikoden during FKW. |
Oh, yeah -- you should totally support Suikoden! That game really brought the dungeon crawl back to its basics for me, and for me the options and graphics (not to mention combos and menus) were the icing on the cake! Also the dialogue is what made me want to become a writer. |
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klikbeep
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 5:01 pm |
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| zebadayus wrote: |
I can't stand unbridled military hate. It really doesn't help anything.
But yeah, there are some real scumbags in our military as well! But some of these people are just doing their jobs, so cut them some slack.
But I may be biased, since I've never been harassed a lot by recruiters. The Air Force tried for a little bit to get me after I scored the highest in my school on their ASVAB test, promising me a cushy position as an aircraft technician, but they didn't bother me a whole lot about it.
Do some of you people think that nobody should ever ever join the military, or what? |
I'm pretty sure that you should never join the military, yeah.
I think that nobody -- ever -- should have ever joined the military anywhere. Ever.
I think that nobody should ever eat at McDonald's, and that video games should never be played -- ever -- by anyone.
I furthermore think that saffron should be free of charge to all who desire it -- it's delicious, and because it's so expensive it goes woefully underutilized.
You'll have to excuse me -- I discovered a new kind of sad today that I don't think Science has gotten around to yet. |
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klikbeep
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 6:31 pm |
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| Wilkes wrote: |
| zebadayus wrote: |
| I guess that should be expected, considering this forum is filled with the "intellectual" and "artsy" crowd. |
it really should be more open to the "anti-darwin" types. |
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klikbeep
Joined: 30 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:56 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
Klikbeep:
I don't think the military deserves praise. The military is neither good nor evil. I do, however, believe in free speech, and being respectful of the opinions of others. This sounds funny after my last post, I know, but the kind of mentality demonstrated by slipstream is something that bugs me and I flew off the handle for a bit. Sorry about that, dude. |
Do you really believe that it's totally value-neutral? I'm kind of curious as to what you base that on. Logically, that many people and resources have to have some kind of net impact on the world.
I've seen you flare up a bit pro-military before. Do you have folks in the service or something? |
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klikbeep
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:20 am |
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If you're going to define everything as a concept, then you can reduce everything to neutrality, since it doesn't have a net effect either way until the concepts become action. In practice, as implemented, do you think that miltary strength is value-neutral?
You can confine this to the US military for sake of specifics, if you like. |
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klikbeep
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| Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 9:11 am |
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| Joe wrote: |
| klikbeep wrote: |
If you're going to define everything as a concept, then you can reduce everything to neutrality, since it doesn't have a net effect either way until the concepts become action. In practice, as implemented, do you think that miltary strength is value-neutral?
You can confine this to the US military for sake of specifics, if you like. |
Yes, it is still value-neutral.
GOOD: Defends citizens of a nation-state from assault.
EVIL: Used for aggressive assault against another nation-state.
To a nation-state, a military is a tool. All tools are value-neutral. |
Well, you can do that with anything:
MOTHER THERESA
GOOD: Dedicated her life to helping the sick and destitute!
BAD: Brought positive attention to the Catholic church, which is full of child-molesting priests!
Do you really view the good and evil aspects of the US military to be in perfect balance? And if so, how do you think they maintain it to such an impressive degree? |
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klikbeep
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:05 am |
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| psiga wrote: |
Attention spans = short
ALSO! I haven't read the whole thread, just the last couple posts, so if I am like totally omg way off, then just ignore. |
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