[geinou]

[Gironika]

[geinou]

This is one of those footwork videos. I think that's kinda amazing, because you know, the V8 Supercars are driving a 1000km race in Bathurst. Such a great and difficult track where you have lots of "stuff" to do, and then this footwork. Looks like ballet to me.

[Gironika]

[Shiren the Launderer]

Gentlemen, another trailer for GT5.

[geinou]

This trailer sucks. Boring as hell, doesn't show anything really new (except for one of two tracks), I didn't see a damn IndyCar and the cars were just driving like on a chaplet. Sorry, Polyphony, but this time, you got lazy.

[Duke Phillips]

Too right.

I'd gladly sacrifice car interiors to get the game out earlier. I'm an old-school Rare fanboy so I'm used to hearing it, but all this nonsense of "it's done when it's done" wears out when your game is about 50 years behind schedule.

Maybe they're trying to find out how to nerf the Ferraris so the GT-R looks better.
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We can't stop here, this is Donkey Kong Country!

[Gironika]

A new revolution?

Someone should explain what the revolution is, maybe that'll help us enjoy(?) that trailer more. But hey! Rally cars (might) have damage (almost).
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[geinou]

Just thinking about the races Polyphony Digital won't include in the game makes me vomit on the floor. You know, they have so much possibilities, instead I have to do a single player race outside of the "career" to drive races which kinda will feel like the real thing. Instead, I have over 500 cars I don't give a fuck about, some damn events like buy a effing Truck, tune it to it's maximum and drive 5 races with it. Duh. I have so many ideas for a "realistic racer", which could feel like Forza or Gran Turismo, but with a much, much more attractive looking career mode. They want me to feel like a race car driver? Well, than design the career like I am a race car driver. GT and also Forza have so many opportunities they don't use, because they're lazy or the mainstream market doesn't want to have those things included. To be honest, Codemasters came a little close to my idea with the game they made before Grid (what was it called? Race Driver 3?), yet the game sucked pretty hard, but they had some nice ideas.

And don't get me started about YouTube videos in which people compare their hot lap on circuit xyz with a hot lap by real driver abc. Seeing some CART comparisons is making me sick, mostly of one thing: Switching gears. Now I know why some of my hot laps weren't as good as the ones from some people on the internet, since they drove like it's a game (which it is, I guess) and not like the real thing. Damn paddle shifters.

[Dracko]

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[Anonymous]

YOU CAN WALK AROUND A CAR WHOA!??!!?!?

I could imagine kinect working really well to compliment an actual racing game, but I don't know why anyone would be interested in playing Outrun 2 with zero feedback while swinging your arms around like a retard.

[geinou]

That's the problem: You have no feedback. You need feedback to drive a race car. And why should you use a motion controller, when you can use a wheel, which is the real thing? I don't get it. I really don't get it. Besides... I want race cars, not sports cars a rich person can buy and pose on the highway. Yeah...

[Teflon]

[Dracko]

[Shiren the Launderer]

At least Turn 10 is trying new ideas. The guys at Polyphony Digital seems to think that 50 different Nissan GT-R variants are what people really want from a racing game.

[Gironika]

[RobotRocker]

WARNING: CONTAINS NeoGAF

Gran Turismo 5 will only have 200 "Premium" Cars that are fully modeled. The other 800 are upscaled PS2 and PSP models

What on earth are you smoking Polyphony?
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[Dracko]

ahahahahaha
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[geinou]

[boojiboy7]

Yeah, way to go Polyphony....ugh...:(

[LandRoverAttack]

I eagerly await Gran Turismo 6.

Are the premium cars at least going to look better than Forza 3's? 'cos F3 has 400 cars, all of which look damn good with anime characters on them.
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[Gironika]

To be honest, I can't imagine that 200/800-figure to be true. I mean, yeah, there have been rumors around but .... come on. What did they do all those years? Why even bother to have 1000 cars in the game?
Why only show us cars that we've already seen over and over again? I've had my share of 2000 GT1-machines (that underwent more name- and rule-changes than the lineup of Gran Turismos to date) and 2003 prototypes. The people over at PD seem not to understand what makes people come back to racing games.

Yeah, we do want rolling and crashing (and FINALLY it seems like PD understood. Kind of. Or at least they say they do, so .... we'll see), day/night cycle and what-have-you-not. And yeah, everyone wants to drive "his" car, but they seem to miss that driving the same 1999 Civic for what, 10+ years? might get a bit, say, boring?


It's the car that makes a journey special. Or a race. And each racing game I've enjoyed so far has provided me with cars that surprised me, changed my way of thinking. For example, FM3 made me look into Italian cars after Enthusia sparked my interest with the Fiat 131.
There's something about making you "feel" and "get" what a car stands for, what it tries to do, maybe even what the designer(s) wanted to convey. A purpose-built racing machine, stripped down to the bone is all about racing, serious and dangerous fun. A supercar, like a Ferrari F430, is about sporty driving and being an allrounder, useable in traffic.
Having those cars (and others as well, lightweight sportscars, hot hatches, even SUVs, as unbelieveable as it might sound) in a racing-game/simulation is a must.


The thing is: Not so much if you can trash 1955 Merc gullwing laptimes with a mediocre midsize sedan, you might think?
The "normal" player probably doesn't know that, back in 1955, this car was seriously quick and ridiculous in terms of power. However, nothing in Forza or GT suggests that. Just stuffing that car in a roster amongst 22 Skylines? Lost effort, I'd say. Enthusia tried with an (initially) weird lineup, Forza tried to copy that and GT seems to have forgotten about the thing it tries to do best.

The lineup of Enthusia at least features cars not seen anywhere, cars that make no sense in a racing-environment. Best example? Citroen DS. Anyway, guess what! If you dig around, you'll find out why someone put them in Enthusia. You can sense that someone wanted people/youths/kids to understand why people love/loved these cars, or what made them stand out.
The downside: You have to look for yourself, the game does hide that away and you have to look for such information on your own. 99% of the players probably never bothered to find out and drove the wheels of the cars they usually prefer.

... I could add another thousand words here, don't want bore people to death though. Thus! tl;dr-version:
Nice to drive the new gullwing Benz, but why should I care about those vintage cars? Give people an idea WHY they are in the game, if you are telling everyone that you care about cars™, for gods sake!




(i know that I should put this into better words, but I am losing my faith here, seeing how lazy PD seems to be about this whole thing.)
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[Rud31]

Man. I don't even care about racing games, but yeah what did you do for 5 years Polpyhoinadf;lm Digital.
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[Shiren the Launderer]

There was no way GT5 was going to meet the hype surrounding its release, but this is tragicomic. Even if this rumor isn't true, the fact that it's believable says something about Polyphony Digital.

[GcDiaz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxfNb4d3bPY <--E3 2min trailer

OK, at the 1 minute mark is exactly when I felt that old, familiar feeling of HOLY SHIT. Something I haven't felt since seeing GT1's intro for the first time. This is good.
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Let's bring sexy back!

[Teflon]

[Gironika]

[Chris B]

I played the first Forza yesterday, and I was pretty underwhelmed. Maybe choosing the Mitsubishi FTO and the chase cam had something to do with it, but there just wasn't any sense of speed whatsoever. It felt like the game barely managed to run at 30 frames.

Not that there's a lack of alternatives on the original Xbox. Anyone knows if Sega GT 2002 is any good?

[geinou]

Here's something I want:

Much better Endurance Races. Come on. Where's the problem? I don't want to drive with an A class or S class car a 300 miles race. Give me the real racing cars, since these are events for people who actually want to race a little longer than just 5 laps or so. I hate Turn 10 for making worse Endurance races (they had only 3 events for racing cars...), that's why I hope Polyphony Digital learnt a lesson. Come on, it's not that hard...

Also: I liked the Paris or Roma street course (can't quite remember in which city it was) in GT4. It was fun to drive. I think it was Opera Paris, but I really can't remember it anymore. Hope this track will have a return.

Oh, and I read that Polyphony Digital only designed 9 (NINE) NASCAR cars for the game... Way to go. So, we have like 43 cars, they only include 9 of them. Oh, and they say they'll include official NASCAR rules, yet I don't know what's that all about. Having cautions? Having a pace car? Having a fucking Spotter? It better has a spotter, if you want to drive in cockpit view on an oval. But oh wait, there are only two ovals confirmed: Daytona and Indianapolis. They'll probably include Motegi, but NASCAR isn't driving there. How about Dover or Bristol? Or Michigan or something like that?

Yet, I'm curious if the F1 2007 Ferrari from Prologue will be in the full game, since they include a Red Bull Formula 1 car (hence the video with Yamauchi, Sebastian Vettel and Christian Horner in the E3 trailer).

Speaking about the sense of speed: I only have such a sense when racing in cockpit view or at least in hood-view (you know, the view where you only see the hood of your car). I can't drive with the view from behind. It just sucks. Well, only if it's a sim-like game, of course.

[CubaLibre]

geniou you're European right? Do any non-Americans actually care about NASCAR?
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[Chris B]

[Toptube]

I could care less about cockpit views, as I have trouble with them. Bonnet or bust.

Shift still has the best sense of speed and the overall most exhilerating driving in a long time. Too bad the game was rushed out the door. I look forward to the sequel, if there is one ever.


GT5 will be a good game. GTs are always good. They usually only improve in one major area with each release, but I mean they've still put out good products each time. I also can't imagine them releasing the game with a handful of current gen models and huge chunks missing from the NASCAR mode. Polyphony was smart enough to scrap drag racing at the 11th in the past, I don't see why they'd throw something in there now. I'd love to see F1 type cars, even if its faked like in GT3. Just flesh it out a bit more. I also hope the rally isn't a fucking mess this time like in GT4.

[geinou]

[boojiboy7]

My dad, total American, is an F1 fan, but he follows the rules changes and such in NASCAR, which leads to some interesting conversations.

[geinou]

It's every time great to hear from an American, that he is a Formula One fan. I really like that, cause Speed Channel is actually doing a very good coverage of the races (well, except of the commercials, but this is a common problem with US racing telecasts). Hell, they even did a much better coverage of the 24 Hours of Le Mans than the European broadcaster Eurosport.

But man, remember the 2005 USA Grand Prix in Indianapolis, where only 6 cars participated in the race? Those dumb fans threw cans and bottles on the track. How dumb do you have to be to throw cans or bottles on a race track, when cars are racing there? I know they were upset, but what if such a bottle hit a drivers helmet? I really don't want to know what would happened. Remember the Felipe Massa accident last year in Hungary? That spring, which hit him, was lighter than one kilogram.

[boojiboy7]

Sadly, I have no cable, so no Speedvision, but I do get into watching races whenever I stay at my dad's. it's one of the few things I miss cable for.

[geinou]

Oh, I didn't know that Speed is only avaible thorugh cable. Thought you can also get it thorugh SAT TV like DirectTV.

[boojiboy7]

Oh yeah, you can get it through that, but I don't have that either.

[RobotRocker]

[Gironika]

Especially noteworthy:
track-editor mentioned.
I really wanna see that happen. Possible Stunts-HD-successor?


unfortunately noteworthy:
The paint-shop has fallen off the map, it seems, which is a shame (yet again).
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[geinou]