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Gironika



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:56 am        Reply with quote

random points that come to mind now:

Mario Kart vs GT5 Kart

Why do people love the Nordschleife so much?

it's all about crashing

Fantasy Tracks vs Real World Tracks

Outrun vs Kaido Racer: Where things went downhill (subtext: How 3D changed racing games)

Racing is not about winning, it's about making friends!

mood > realism

Burnout changed the face of arcade-racing/crashing

why F1 can't catch on in the rest of the world

not another Skyline in Game ___________

why ENTHUSIA changed the game and no one knows





… yeah, I absolutely had to think for some sec's there to make the Kaido pun work, but jokes aside, literally.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:38 am        Reply with quote

Oh I could actually say something like: For me, Burnout is more like a reaction test, feeling like a QTE without actually beeing a QTE.

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Racing is not about winning, it's about making friends!


Could tell the story of a dude I didn't like, so I bumped him at Watkins Glen so that he got a Stop & Go Penalty, two years later he fought for the championship in our GTR league and I did the taillight trick.

I could tell something like: For me Outrun is like beeing on vacation with my girlfriend. Or something like that.

Oh and I could say something like that GT and Forza aren't racing simulations, they are just car simulations.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:30 pm        Reply with quote

So who is hosting this? It's looking like tomorrow (Saturday) is the day. What time are we thinking of doing this at? Suggestions?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:51 pm        Reply with quote

Does anyone have experience in hosting a podcast before? I'm not very good in beeing a host and would probably only ruin the whole podcast, so if someone else could do it, that would be great.

About the time: B Coma wrote something about 10pm GMT, but we also could do it at 8 or 9 pm GMT, if 10pm GMT is too late for some people.

10pm GMT is 6pm ET and 12am CEST, if anyone needs to convert the time into his timezone.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:11 pm        Reply with quote

I would definitely favor doing it earlier than later, just because I tend to get things going on later in the afternoon, so I am more likely to have free time earlier.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:14 pm        Reply with quote

I'm also fine with doing it earlier. Doing it before 8pm GMT could be a problem though. So, for me, something around 8 or 9pm GMT would be fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:16 pm        Reply with quote

That would be 4 EST, which is pretty good for me. I have the whole day off, but I usually hang out with people during the afternoon, so that will be put on hold. Appreciate my sacrifice, racer dudes.

Not really.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:20 pm        Reply with quote

geinou wrote:
Does anyone have experience in hosting a podcast before? I'm not very good in beeing a host and would probably only ruin the whole podcast, so if someone else could do it, that would be great.

I'm cool with hosting.

I've got work to do for most of the afternoon, so I'll probably just chill on the server for a while until folks show up.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 3:38 pm        Reply with quote

Sounds great, thank you very much!

Hope everyone is fine with 8pm GMT. Just let us know.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:25 pm        Reply with quote

Maaaaaan, the Doodle had it scheduled at 10pm GMT. :<

So you guys are doing it at 8pm GMT now? If that's the case I'll probably have to pull out. 4am is just too weird a time for me to be awake and conversing! That and I have something going on later in the day I need to be awake and alert for.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:02 pm        Reply with quote

So that is a vot efor bumping it back some? Let's see where everyone else is and decide. Compromise and all that.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:11 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, would be the best if everybody who wants to take part in this just says which time is the best for him.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 5:39 pm        Reply with quote

And if for some reason a time is too early for you, sign in whenever you can and we can go from there. People have shown up mid podcast before, no problem.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 6:49 pm        Reply with quote

I'm fine with whenever this happens, I just wanna RACE … or talk, that is!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 1:12 pm        Reply with quote

So, when is this gonna happen? 8pm GMT? I will be there, even when we start later.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:03 pm        Reply with quote

i should be on then.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:29 pm        Reply with quote

I'll be there!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 2:03 pm        Reply with quote

sorry guys my computer started corrupting data on Friday and it ate my windows installation. I thought it might be the hard drive so I went down the street to best buy and bought a new one but its still corrupting shit. Troubleshooting this is going to be a HUGE BITCH.

so yeah, I can't do the podcast ;_;
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:06 pm        Reply with quote

oh dear… GT5 vids. Especially the Nür track looks brilliant, to say the least. However, yet another different version of it, it seems to be one of the widest renditions I've seen so far, only ENTHUSIAs felt a bit wider, but I have to re-check that.

But.

8/8? Someone please tell me that this is just online…
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 3:22 pm        Reply with quote

The game is seriously giving you the advice to shift back to the third gear at Indianapolis? Well, if think it's the drivers fault, because he drives very slowly through the turns.

Anway. Yeah, what's up with only 8 cars on track? I hope that's only for the demo, because in Prologue, there were more cars on track (except London, since it's a very short street circuit)
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 5:17 pm        Reply with quote

Gironika wrote:
oh dear… GT5 vids. Especially the Nür track looks brilliant, to say the least. However, yet another different version of it, it seems to be one of the widest renditions I've seen so far,


It's kind of amazing how none of these games agree on the width. I mean this is a real place, you can go there and throw down a tape measure. Shit if anyone is developing a racing game right now I will personally drive down there and get at least semi-accurate measurements on all the corners and ballpark estimates for the straights all for the low low price of 1 (one) 1988 BMW 320 and a couple tanks of gas. Will supply own XXL box of crayons to get realistic color readings.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:04 pm        Reply with quote

yeah, with all that LASER-TECH™©® stuff involved, you'd expect someone to go "fuck you, I'll laser scan that track for real and sell it to japanese companies for Phideogaims for $$$" and make a deal with the Nurburgring GmbH that nobody is allowed to scan that track for five years or so.

I should try the Nordschleife in ENTHUSIA again with the highest car you can drive (one of the SUVs) and see whether the viewing angle changes things/perspective a bit. I still like that version best, even if driving there wasn't the most satisfying experience. Most fun was had in GT4 that ironically has one of the least accurateversions. But it was fun to throw the Takata NSX over those curbs … anyway, the GT4-version is second-to-last, only being beaten by a GTR2 fan-conversion (but since it's done by fans <and> for free, maybe I should place the GT4 one lower…)




and yeah, wasn't GT all "IN THE FACE Forza, 20 cars!"
This was one thing I really was looking forward to. Especially Le Mans or a ALMS-track with different classes. Geez…
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:40 pm        Reply with quote

I doubt GT5 will have an option to make different classes for a race (yet I'm still hoping!). You can do it in Forza 3 (only in multiplayer), but with only 8 cars on track it's not very recommendable.

I remember the Version of the Nordschleife in Forza 1. The curbs there way too high.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:38 pm        Reply with quote

geinou wrote:
I doubt GT5 will have an option to make different classes for a race (yet I'm still hoping!). You can do it in Forza 3 (only in multiplayer), but with only 8 cars on track it's not very recommendable.

You can do that? Wow.

I should play online more often. Actually, if people here want to do a SB-Forza 3 meet-n-race sometime, this'd be fun.
Ah, nearly forgot - 8 cars? Not so exciting, yeah. But I hope that's just online, as you can see names listed to the right side of the HUD. Unreadable, but they are there. Here's hoping that it's online 8, offline x with x > 12…



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I remember the Version of the Nordschleife in Forza 1. The curbs there way too high.

Come to think of it, I never have seen that version before. Thanks for the heads up! I shall youtube that and look how it might feel.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:03 pm        Reply with quote

the Nürburgring in Shift is pretty good. I don't know how accurate it is, but its got some really fun elevation changes. I don't remember if it has a complete version though where you can run the entire track. I only remember segments.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:34 pm        Reply with quote

Gironika wrote:
geinou wrote:
I doubt GT5 will have an option to make different classes for a race (yet I'm still hoping!). You can do it in Forza 3 (only in multiplayer), but with only 8 cars on track it's not very recommendable.

You can do that? Wow.

I should play online more often. Actually, if people here want to do a SB-Forza 3 meet-n-race sometime, this'd be fun.
Ah, nearly forgot - 8 cars? Not so exciting, yeah. But I hope that's just online, as you can see names listed to the right side of the HUD. Unreadable, but they are there. Here's hoping that it's online 8, offline x with x > 12…



Yea, you can set up a ton of things online. You know what I did? Made a XBL game for myself, calculated a 2 hours race at Road America and totally drove it. Made a big GT2 class with 5 cars (I drove the Flying Lizard 911 GT3 Porsche) and a small LMP1 segment class with 3 LMP1 cars. It's kinda strange when a LMP1 car is lapping you. Out of nowhere those bastards where at my side.

It's really a shame you cannot set up such things in a regular single player race or in a regular single player mode. What is this game called again? A racing simulation?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 9:04 am        Reply with quote

"The Real Driving Simulator."
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:01 am        Reply with quote

Schwere Viper wrote:
"The Real Driving Simulator."


Yeah, I total wanted to rant about that during the podcast (and forgot about it). GT and Forza are only (at least for me) driving simulations, not racing simulations.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 11:38 am        Reply with quote

Yeah, there isn't much racing in any of them, especially not single player.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:32 pm        Reply with quote

geinou wrote:


I remember the Version of the Nordschleife in Forza 1. The curbs there way too high.


It seems quite unlikely but my memory insists Forza 1 simply recycled the Nurb from Project Gotham 2.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:12 pm        Reply with quote

Toptube wrote:
the Nürburgring in Shift is pretty good. I don't know how accurate it is, but its got some really fun elevation changes. I don't remember if it has a complete version though where you can run the entire track. I only remember segments.

Teflon wrote:
It seems quite unlikely but my memory insists Forza 1 simply recycled the Nurb from Project Gotham 2.

Shift and PGR had a Nür as well? Damn, I can't keep up with all those Nordschleife-versions anymore.


boojiboy7 wrote:
Yeah, there isn't much racing in any of them, especially not single player.

Dito, this is something I should have mentioned but forgot. Especially those "overtake 500 cars in 1 Lap starting dead last. LOL!" races that Gran Turismo loves so much. FFFFFF****** … not that Forza and Enthusia are any better, but if you have a slower car, they at least try to give you an advantage and do not drop you dead last. Did I welcome the qualy in GT when you could put your car on pole.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:17 pm        Reply with quote

Gironika wrote:
...GT4 that ironically has one of the least accurateversions. But it was fun to throw the Takata NSX over those curbs … anyway, the GT4-version is second-to-last, only being beaten by a GTR2 fan-conversion (but since it's done by fans <and> for free, maybe I should place the GT4 one lower…)


Interesting, I feel like when ever I watch videos of the ring that I recognize everything exactly from when Ive run it in GT4. How does one measure accuracy on something like that?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 5:26 pm        Reply with quote

Yes, PGR2 had the Nordschleife. Furthermore, PGR3 did the whole Grand Prix Circuit and Nordschleife combination for the first time. That was pretty great.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 6:52 pm        Reply with quote

shnozlak wrote:
Interesting, I feel like when ever I watch videos of the ring that I recognize everything exactly from when Ive run it in GT4. How does one measure accuracy on something like that?

There's no thing like driving on the real thing, obviously. But I didn't get around to go there myself, albeit being at the track two times already (the GP Circuit though).

I've seen several 24h races (well, some hours, since it's a rather shitty tv station) on TV, consisting of bumper-cam/on-board-/roof-cam coverage and the thing that I've seen (or rather: not seen) is that no game seems to "get it" right. The Fun bit though: Every year we are sitting round the TV and discuss [insert new game or Nur version we have played recently] , why [game title] gets this bit "right" and fails in that bit, which version we like best while seeing whether we guessed the winner/winning cars (as well as fav cars) right. Like, this year we all wanted the Aston Rapide to show the other production spec cars what a racer is, but the Porsche 911 something did show who's boss…

In any case, it's the dress rehearsal for the 24h of Le Mans every year, and kind of a consuetudinarily meetup (and what a word that is, I like that!) befoer the June classic where some more friends come over and we kind of celebrate racing.

And I kind of got carried away a bit here, pardon!




The gist of it is:
Since the track (and daylight) changes throughout the 24h, it feels "different" in most of the cases. The sunny bits on Sunday morning, 11 am feel like the GT4 version, the cloudy bits of 4 pm feel more like the Forza 3 version (ambient sounds (like thunder? I am not sure whether I imagine that it is thunder, but it sure sounds so!), a detail I like about that version), Enthusia … well, doesn't fit in there because of its "dark" daylight setting that rather fits in a November-esque version, and the several GTR2-versions cover pretty much all you ever want, though they lack proper daylight transitions.

GT5 seems to get the natural light right, or at least it "feels" like the best so far, but if that's just wishful thinking …… we'll see.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 8:01 pm        Reply with quote

Did you drive over the snowy Nordschleife in PGR4? I think that was quite funny.

Thank god by the way, that Le Mans and 24h Nurburgring aren't on the same weekend any more. Some years ago they did that mistake.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:57 am        Reply with quote

I've driven an elise a bit in PGR2? I think it was, but none of the sequels then. Have I missed much? I guess yes.


Plus! I remember that, who thought that having both on the same day(s) is a good idea? It still was kind of funny, having a two-TV-setup and switching rooms when TV-ads would give you a break from watching Nür or LM.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:42 am        Reply with quote

PGR3 wasn't really a big deal. Playing this you fastly realize that it had to come out with the launch of the 360. PGR4 was way better, but not as good as PGR2. Driving over the snowy Nordschleife in PGR4 was quite funny though.

Also I loved how they implemented rain and ice into the game. When it was raining, there were puddles all over the track. Driving over them and you got aquaplaning. So the basic idea was to go around them, which wasn't that easy while having a fight with another player. Wish over racing games would implement something like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:40 am        Reply with quote

interwebs won't work @ home, I guess that THE WORLD (read: "za warudo") doesn't want me to buy R:Racing. Did I miss anything GT5 related?
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:00 pm        Reply with quote

Some stuff about an italian track I don't care about. Maybe they had to rename it, I really don't know.

R: Racing is on my list too. I want to flip the bird and overtake my opponents!
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I mainly recall R: for ruining the best possible game with the worst possible driving model. Possibly my expectations were sort of jacked up beyond any feasibility though. Quite possibly. I'd made a desktop background out of promo art and spent four months gazing longingly at it before the game came out and destroyed my capacity to froth in childlike innocence.

Hey in other Namco news I realized I now pass the system requirements for Ridge Racer 7 so I picked that up. Not sure how I feel about how much shit there is to do to your car in it VS RR6 as I kind of enjoyed the whole 'cars as discrete objects' thing and seeing your car autonomously beef up as you progressed through the classes , but on the other hand I also enjoy doing shit to cars so it's a draw I guess? I still enjoy stylishly drifting stylish cars through stylish locales while getting carpet-bombed with pounding techno beats so that's all good.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:54 pm        Reply with quote

I fear that the F1 game will be the same, I have to admit.





I tried NOT to get my hopes up high, but what can you do? I wanna see Vettel crashing like he did last weekend.
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