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Looks good, looking forward to it. Yet, I think that the controls will suck ass...

Also: I really hate that you cannot do custom races in Forza 3. You have to sign in to Xbox Live and make your own private room to do that.

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Love your GTR2 story. During my "online career" in many Sim Racers I often experienced the same.

Yet, I don't think Codemasters' Formula One game will go into this direction. They said that they want normal and hardcore players to play their game. Therefore, they'll include an arcade-like mode and a simulation mode. The problem I have with that: They also call Colin McRae Dirt and Race Driver Grid simulation games. Sorry, but both games aren't simulations. They are good game though, but they are not simulation games like GTR or Grand Prix 3.

However, I still hope that they'll proof me wrong.

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Oh, I remember this mod. Yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it was fun racing with the Champ Cars.

Did you try F1 Challenge 99-02 by EA? It wasn't perfect, but it was okay.

However, GP3 was the last great F1 simulation.

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I really hate when someone develops a racing game with changing weather effects, but when it starts raining during the race, nobody is coming to the pits, because the game isn't telling them to do. Seriously. They drive with slick tyres on a wet course. Why? Because they can, I suppose. Don't remember which game it was, but it was pissing me off.

My first racing simulation was Grand Prix 1, followed by the first NASCAR game by Papyrus.

Well, about my "online carerr". It isn't really exciting, but it was much, much fun the time I was doing it. I drove in Nascer 4 and Nascar 2003 online leagues, with the cup cars and some modifications, like the IndyCar mod, the TransAM mod, Truck mod, GTP (Group C cars, that was awesome) mod. Before that, I had many races with Grand Prix Legends, which is even today a really, really awesome game. Drifting with those old Formula One cars will probably never lose its fascination.

I raced some time in GTR/GTR2 leagues, had some occasional Life for Speed races. After it's relase I played a lot rFactor, had fun with the Formula One and GP2 mods, but never raced in an online league. Same goes for the first Race game. So yeah, basically, my last regular online league race I raced with GTR2.

It was a great time, but today I don't have the time to do this anymore. You know, you have to practice every day, improve setups and all that stuff. It's kinda like a MMO, it sucks so much time out of you. I do race occasinally, but not on a competiting level anymore. I might be a little burned out, lol. But it was a great time. If I had to go back, I would totally do it again.

With which simulations did you race over the years?

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http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_f1_2010_dev_diary_3-15405_en.html

I really hope that his aren't just empty words.

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I did play the demo, and don't want to play it anymore. The controls were a little too tight, a little too squishy. Turning into a corner was easy, but doing a perfect turn not. Also, I didn't like the camera position, it's too close. Yet, I only drove one race, so I'll give it another chance.

Track building is great though.

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So, did anyone ever try iRacing? As far as I know, this is the most realistic racing simulation so far. It also has some cooperation with original racing series, like NASCAR or IndyCar, since they getting car information etc. On the page, under coming soon, is a Williams Formula One car listed, which would be really awesome. I'm kinda interested in iRacing, yet I don't want to do public races. You know, crashkids and all that bullshit. I really miss the time driving GTR, NASCAR 2003 Season (RIP Papyrus) or Formula One. Driving an IndyCar in iRacing looks and sounds terrific, yet I don't know any leagues where they do their races on normal times, so that I don't have to sacrifice watching real motorsports.

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Yeah, that's another point I don't like about iRacing. Yet, they get, like Blizzard, money every month, so that they can support the game on a much longer base like for example GTR. But I'm also excited about GTR3 (and rFactor 2). But damn, driving an original scanned IndyCar in an online league would be great.

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You know what's sad? Going through the pain to re-install rFactor, just for the CART Factor Mod (which is great btw), just to realize, that my pedals of my Driving Force Pro aren't working anymore. The time I stopped racing, I had the 80% bug. Pressed the pedal to the metal, but only had 50-80% of acceleration. I know that there is a way to fix this, but seeing that the pedals won't do jack shit anymore.... well, I dunno, man. It's just sad.

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@Chris B:

Uh, tough question. Just searched for the wheel on Google, found this Wikipedia entry, dunno if it helps for the GT Force wheel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GT_Force

For me, playing arcade racers like Outrun with a wheel will probably never work. Playing in an arcade, fine. The arcade versions are designed for the wheels in their cabinets. No problem at all. At home, I have the problem you mentioned: Most of the wheels aren't compatible with those games, so I'm playing them with the regular game pad. The same goes for newer "half simulation half arcade games", like Codemasters makes with Race Driver Grid oder Colin McRae Dirt. I cannot drive those cars with a wheel. It doesn't work for me. I can't really tell why, but it seems, for me, that I can't "feel" the car, in contrast to a real, 100% simulation like GTR2, where you need a wheel to be competitive, or to handle the vehicles without using any driving aids. Maybe that's why, unfortunately, I cannot say much on that topic, because I'm using wheels only for 100% simulations on the PC. Or better said: I used them, because you know, didn't drive GTR and co for some time now (and my pedals aren't working anymore, damn...).

About your second question: My Driving Force Pro can do the 200° and 900° stuff, but I only use the 200° mode. I know some people who swear that using the 900° mode is better, but for me, the handling was much smoother when using only the 200° mode. Also, my DFP has no clutch, but it has F1 paddle shifters and a sequential shifter. I try to play my sims as realistic as possible, so while driving NASCAR in an oval, I only used the sequential shifter, because it was the most realistic thing I could do with my wheel. Other drivers in my league used their paddle shifters, because... I really don't know. Maybe they were lazy, maybe they got scared taking one hand away from the wheel (pussys). On a road track I used the paddle shifters too, since you are a little bit faster with them. That's why I used them in other simulations, like Race, like GTR, like Formula One in rFactor as well. I never got the chance to drive ChampCar or IndyCar in a league (well, now the "modern" IndyCar's are using paddle shifters too...), but I would have used the sequential shifter with those cars, since I like watching on-board videos and seeing how the drivers must work in their cars. It looks awesome (lol). And you know, driving a simulation, you want the feeling as realistic as possible.

Look, for example this onboard from Juan Pably Montoya during the 99' CART race at Long Beach. Look at this right hand, it's great:



When I was not using the sequential shifter, I used it for like changing the ratio of my breaks, like modern Formula One drives do. It's actually hard work, because you have to concentrate on so many things while driving, but it's fun as hell. I really miss those times. I want them back. (sad smiley)

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This is one of those footwork videos. I think that's kinda amazing, because you know, the V8 Supercars are driving a 1000km race in Bathurst. Such a great and difficult track where you have lots of "stuff" to do, and then this footwork. Looks like ballet to me.

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This trailer sucks. Boring as hell, doesn't show anything really new (except for one of two tracks), I didn't see a damn IndyCar and the cars were just driving like on a chaplet. Sorry, Polyphony, but this time, you got lazy.

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Just thinking about the races Polyphony Digital won't include in the game makes me vomit on the floor. You know, they have so much possibilities, instead I have to do a single player race outside of the "career" to drive races which kinda will feel like the real thing. Instead, I have over 500 cars I don't give a fuck about, some damn events like buy a effing Truck, tune it to it's maximum and drive 5 races with it. Duh. I have so many ideas for a "realistic racer", which could feel like Forza or Gran Turismo, but with a much, much more attractive looking career mode. They want me to feel like a race car driver? Well, than design the career like I am a race car driver. GT and also Forza have so many opportunities they don't use, because they're lazy or the mainstream market doesn't want to have those things included. To be honest, Codemasters came a little close to my idea with the game they made before Grid (what was it called? Race Driver 3?), yet the game sucked pretty hard, but they had some nice ideas.

And don't get me started about YouTube videos in which people compare their hot lap on circuit xyz with a hot lap by real driver abc. Seeing some CART comparisons is making me sick, mostly of one thing: Switching gears. Now I know why some of my hot laps weren't as good as the ones from some people on the internet, since they drove like it's a game (which it is, I guess) and not like the real thing. Damn paddle shifters.

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That's the problem: You have no feedback. You need feedback to drive a race car. And why should you use a motion controller, when you can use a wheel, which is the real thing? I don't get it. I really don't get it. Besides... I want race cars, not sports cars a rich person can buy and pose on the highway. Yeah...

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Here's something I want:

Much better Endurance Races. Come on. Where's the problem? I don't want to drive with an A class or S class car a 300 miles race. Give me the real racing cars, since these are events for people who actually want to race a little longer than just 5 laps or so. I hate Turn 10 for making worse Endurance races (they had only 3 events for racing cars...), that's why I hope Polyphony Digital learnt a lesson. Come on, it's not that hard...

Also: I liked the Paris or Roma street course (can't quite remember in which city it was) in GT4. It was fun to drive. I think it was Opera Paris, but I really can't remember it anymore. Hope this track will have a return.

Oh, and I read that Polyphony Digital only designed 9 (NINE) NASCAR cars for the game... Way to go. So, we have like 43 cars, they only include 9 of them. Oh, and they say they'll include official NASCAR rules, yet I don't know what's that all about. Having cautions? Having a pace car? Having a fucking Spotter? It better has a spotter, if you want to drive in cockpit view on an oval. But oh wait, there are only two ovals confirmed: Daytona and Indianapolis. They'll probably include Motegi, but NASCAR isn't driving there. How about Dover or Bristol? Or Michigan or something like that?

Yet, I'm curious if the F1 2007 Ferrari from Prologue will be in the full game, since they include a Red Bull Formula 1 car (hence the video with Yamauchi, Sebastian Vettel and Christian Horner in the E3 trailer).

Speaking about the sense of speed: I only have such a sense when racing in cockpit view or at least in hood-view (you know, the view where you only see the hood of your car). I can't drive with the view from behind. It just sucks. Well, only if it's a sim-like game, of course.

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It's every time great to hear from an American, that he is a Formula One fan. I really like that, cause Speed Channel is actually doing a very good coverage of the races (well, except of the commercials, but this is a common problem with US racing telecasts). Hell, they even did a much better coverage of the 24 Hours of Le Mans than the European broadcaster Eurosport.

But man, remember the 2005 USA Grand Prix in Indianapolis, where only 6 cars participated in the race? Those dumb fans threw cans and bottles on the track. How dumb do you have to be to throw cans or bottles on a race track, when cars are racing there? I know they were upset, but what if such a bottle hit a drivers helmet? I really don't want to know what would happened. Remember the Felipe Massa accident last year in Hungary? That spring, which hit him, was lighter than one kilogram.

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Oh, I didn't know that Speed is only avaible thorugh cable. Thought you can also get it thorugh SAT TV like DirectTV.

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I have no hope in Codemasters Formula One game. I'm looking forward to it, because it's about damn time having a new Formula One game, but after they said that Grid or Dirt is for people who like arcade racers and sim racers (Grid had many flaws on the highest difficulty), I really don't think that this will be a game sim racers will be proud of. Yet, deep inside of me, there is hope. A small portion of hope. The most important thing will probably the driving physics. If they are good, I can have lots of fun with the game, even when it's not a simulation.

You know, I prefer racing games which are based on real series when they are a simulation.

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Kimi eating ice cream instead of sitting in the car -50, +10 funny factor

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Oh man, in the new Formula One game, you have to talk with the press about stuff what happened on the race track. They say it's a killer feature, I say it will be a boring multiple choice bullshit like in the Madden games without any deep and always the same questions and answers. But Codemasters is really good in hyping a game. Case in point: Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. After the release, everyone was going insane, cause the game sucked so hard and wasn't as good as Codemasters promoted it (surprise, surprise...).

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Hey, this looks actually pretty good. I mean the physics of the car. Sure, it's driven with a wheel, but it's nothing like let's say Race Driver: Grid, in which every car felt like it would drift. Well, I found my hope again. Damn it Codemasters, don't fuck it up!

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That would be great!

Something that pissed me off about Grid. On the highest difficulty (I think it was extreme) your car got very, very tight. Turning into corners was sometimes impossible. Let's say a fast turn, which you could drive with full speed. On the highest difficulty, that wasn't possible. Yet, the AI could drive those turns with full speed. What the hell, Codemasters? Don't implement such ridiculous shit in your F1 game. I really don't get the idea behind this.

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Yeah, when do we want to do the racing game podcast?

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Yeah, that sounds great.

@Toptube: You just need Ventrilo. In this thread, B Coma wrote everything you need to know for setting up the software etc:

http://forums.selectbutton.net/viewtopic.php?t=24308

Now we just need to start this Doodle-thing to find the right for all of us. Maybe we could do it next weekend?

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Oh hell, totally forgot about the podcast. Uhm, who can do that Doodle thing (we should probably start a thread in the Axe as well, so that anyone who's interested in doing this but didn't read it here in this thread can sign-up).

Also, who wants to be the host? I'm not very good in that stuff, sadface.

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Looks like they finally figured something out!

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Oh I could actually say something like: For me, Burnout is more like a reaction test, feeling like a QTE without actually beeing a QTE.

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Does anyone have experience in hosting a podcast before? I'm not very good in beeing a host and would probably only ruin the whole podcast, so if someone else could do it, that would be great.

About the time: B Coma wrote something about 10pm GMT, but we also could do it at 8 or 9 pm GMT, if 10pm GMT is too late for some people.

10pm GMT is 6pm ET and 12am CEST, if anyone needs to convert the time into his timezone.