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BenoitRen
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:21 pm        Reply with quote

From what I hear, Gentoo is definitely NOT for beginners.

I've had experience with Ubuntu. Man, what a slow distro (thanks to Gnome). Probably runs better on a high-end PC, though. Maybe try Kubuntu (still a bit heavy) or Xubuntu. Ubuntu in general is made to be user-friendly, which it is as long as you don't have a problem or want to install packages.

The "Damn Small Linux" and "Puppy Linux" Live CD distributions are a great start in getting familiar with Linux, in my opinion. They're small, fast, and user-friendly. I prefer Puppy Linux, especially because of the easier save system, so you don't have to start from scratch every time.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:24 am        Reply with quote

@Toups and DeusJester:
So you've tried one distro. It didn't work out. Try another one! You can't say Linux doesn't work for you just because one distro didn't.

Windows works well? Well, when you've turned off all the annoying crap, sure! Doesn't make it any less of a resource-hungry OS. Linux runs much faster if you don't choose a resource-hungry window manager (Gnome, KDE,...).

Try a Puppy Linux LiveCD! Even my brother's new laptop bought a week ago works with it, with all hardware detected!
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:44 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, when it comes to gaming, Linux isn't there yet. Then there's also those 3D graphics cards problems because those greedy manufacturers don't want to open-source their drivers or give away documentation.
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I know that Windows has shitloads of flaws and problems and by raw measure of its quality shouldn't even be the most popular OS, but at the same time none of its flaws are big enough for me to care.

Not even the fact that Windows XP is like a big hole in your security? Maybe when you get worm/virus/malware you will think differently.
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So it's resource hungry. Well, I've got a decently powerful laptop and everything runs pretty smoothly on it anyway.

I don't believe that it runs that smooth. My WinXP laptop is decently powerful as well, and while most of the time it runs smoothly, often it isn't. Then again, I probably use it for more than you do, since I mainly use it for school, being a Computer Science student and all.

But Linux can make it even smoother, more efficient, and best of all, open. Depending on an OS producer for support and managing your files is not a good idea.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:21 pm        Reply with quote

skonrad wrote:
I understand nVIDIA's reluctance

Well, it wouldn't be a problem if they would make some good drivers themselves for Linux.
Talbain wrote:
Actually, when it comes to gaming, Linux IS there. The problem is, good luck getting anything to work, because frontend support is HORRIBLE.

Can you explain this in more detail, please? I want to know about this.
Mister Toups wrote:
Granted if I had to do any sort of computer science like stuff I'd probably use linux.

I don't use Linux on my laptop. Well, I tried the Puppy Linux LiveCD, but for some reason, our router doesn't want to give it an IP address. :( Anyway, what they want you to use at school on your laptop is mostly Windows stuff, so... And I don't dare trying to get my wireless network card to work in Linux, when I hear how much of a pain it is.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 10:38 pm        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
Overall, it is not the OS that I have a problem with, but the access barriers to using the OS are so high that unless you're a programmer, I would still seriously not recommend using Xubuntu or Ubuntu... or any Linux distro really.

I understand the front-end thing. However, what I don't understand is why you have to compile stuff. Don't they offer binaries? As for the rest, I guess there should be more documentation.

The access barriers are only high if you want to run games, I would argue. Puppy Linux is really nice. I ended up installing it to the hard drive on the Linux box instead of continuing to toy around with other distros.

After reading all this, I have to ask: exactly how is Linux there for games then?
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Then again, Vista is a lot closer to NT/2k/XP than 98 was...

To what? Win98 FE was basically Win95 + IE4 + some bugfixes. Win98 SE got more work put into it, especially the Internet stuff, but it's still heavily based on Win9x.
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Really, it just isn't designed for games. X11's architecture is not good at high throughput. Same thing for the way audio streams work.

Window managers are optional, so I don't think that's the issue.
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I mean, part of the reason Linux makes for good security is that everything is so compartmentalized, so it doesn't like to grant programs tons of control over resources... which games kind of need to run decently.

I guess. The best OS for emulators is still DOS, as it lets programs do anything they want without an overhead. And hey, we have an open-source equivalent for that, called FreeDOS!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2007 9:57 pm        Reply with quote

km wrote:
He's not talking about window managers, he's talking about the X windowing system itself.

Sorry, I used the wrong term. That's what I meant. The X Windows System is optional.
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couldn't all this windows vs. linux nonsense be solved by a dual-boot?

Sort of. But then you'd still be paying the Microsoft tax, and dual-booting isn't exactly fun. :/
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 12:41 am        Reply with quote

ajutla wrote:
benoitren do you regularly read slashdot

I do, from time to time.
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BenoitRen, Sonic dies.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2007 1:51 pm        Reply with quote

Dude, Ubuntu is a joke. :(
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 2:52 pm        Reply with quote

You know which one I use *points to signature* :). Yes, I also use it in Linux.
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