[extrabastardformula]

So as to not further derail the RUNMAN topic.

Spin jumping. what the fuck? Was there a purpose for this beyond having another button that needed something mapped to it?

Why is there a lives counter in a game with that save feature? Does it serve any purpose? Likewise why collect coins if extra lives are meaningless? The coins don't function as cues to direct the plasyer the way the bananas do in donkey Kong Country 2. Hell, why is there even a score counter in this game? The whole thing is a smorgesbord of skeuomorphs.


Also, fuck that noise yoshi makes.
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[Talbain]

I come to derail this thread.

Runman is awesome.
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[Levi]

You know what the most heinous thing about smw is though? Getting good at smb3 totally kills your game in mario world, because the controls are just so slightly tweaked at to make you constantly second guess your movements. You don't die, necessarily, but it's so inelegant.

[DJ]

[Talbain]

The thing about NES platformers is that they all had that "slide" effect that happened before and after gaining momentum. A beautiful invention that didn't cross into SNES territory at all. Instead the precision jump replaced it like skin-tight jeans. We later found out that skin-tight jeans are a sin against clothing.
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[L]

Here's a fun activity:

1) As Fire Mario, put a Feather in your item box (or vice versa)
2) Go to Vanilla Dome 1
3) Position Mario right under the item box.
4) Mash the selectbutton. Every time Mario gets the Feather that drops from the item box, he gets 1000 points. Repeat until you become the best player ever.



AND ALSO:

The Banzai Bill in the level Yoshi's Island 1. Good lord, why? This isn't how you design the first level of the game!

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

[notbov]

the way i see lives in mario world and games cut from the same cloth, wherein extra mans are abundant and you can save basically at anytime, that running out of lives is a sign to walk away from the game for a bit. a sort of "yeeah, you couldnt now, but its cool, you can always come back later" gesture

[Talbain]

[negativedge]

Castlevania and Ninja Gaiden are a pretty good start

you're right about Mario NES vs. SNES though

[Dark Age Iron Savior]

[Ronk]

have you played super mario galaxy?

they've always got to have their bullshit
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[Talbain]

[Adilegian]

[Toups]

[Toups]

the only mario game without "dumb bullshit" is the first one

super mario world is probably the culmination of dumb bullshit in mario games

(we'll give mario 64 a pass for being an early 3d game which is amazing)

(kind of purposefully ignoring mario sunshine/galaxy)
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[glossolalia]

actually if you want to be really really picky smb1 has perhaps one of videogaming's first completely unnecessary cutscenes in the form of the intro to the underground stages

what dumb bullshit is in mario 3 besides the card games?

(and don't you dare say the map overall because i already know the only rationale you people have for that argument is "durr uh i like sonic the hedgehog 3 adurrrr" and i will counter with "mysterious coin airship, motherfucker" argument over)

[Adilegian]

What about the first Gameboy Mario?

Did it freak anyone else out that the fireballs were (1) limited to one per screen and (2) prone to behave more like vector-dots from a screensaver than the fireballs from the NES Super Mario Bros.?

I felt like I had bought a third party ripoff when I saw the fireball motions.
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[L]

The Superball is completely redeemed by that one bonus level in 4-2 which is just wall-to-wall coins from floor to ceiling.

Also, but to a lesser extent, by its ability to bean those flying enemies in 1-2 without having to jump.

[glossolalia]

the vector-balls are cool because you can use them to pick up coins and hit flying enemies easier, but i really wish sml had better mario-physics, it feels more like a spastic unpredictable megaman than like console mario and it's a shame because the game is otherwise nearly perfect

edit: hi L

[Adilegian]

I admit this usefulness, but I was still disappointed.

Kind of like expecting sunlight and getting a flourescent bulb. YES, you can read by it, technically, but sulkily.
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[Mr. Mechanical]

The fireballs in Mario Land weren't fireballs at all though, they were bouncy balls. They bounced!

I loved the hidden stages that had like a hundred coins on the screen, because you just fire off a few bouncy balls and get most of them just like that.
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[L]

[Mr. Mechanical]

I always liked to try and clear certain platforming intensive levels in Mario 3 with the frog suit, simply because it was hilarious to see Mario as a frog hopping around the level. Plus the jump was different.
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[Adilegian]

[Mr. Mechanical]

I can't really complain much about Mario games because even the stupid bullshit is still fun to play around with in some way.

Well, I kind of hate all the hint text in the more recent games but when you say Mario game I think of the older ones first.
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[L]

I always thought that 'crouch on a white rectangle for 7 seconds' secret was kind of nonsensical.

[Mr. Mechanical]

Shit there were two posts addressing the super ball subject before me. You guys are quick at 3:30 in the morning!
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[Mr. Mechanical]

[Talbain]

Maybe it's the west coast. The forum party is just starting at 1:30 over there.
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[glossolalia]

[Mr. Mechanical]

You can get the star every time by just running at full speed. Every time.
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[Duke Phillips]

I swear to God you guys better have been old enough to play SMW when it first came out, becuase this is some pretty blasphemous shit you're throwing around here. If I find out you're all "90s kids" who wern't even alive in '91 beating down on my favorite game of all time, there's going to be hell to pay.

Super Mario World is 'The Best Videogame Ever'. It sits at the head of the table of 'Best Games Ever' as the Chairman & CEO for life. It took the already perfect Mario 3 and made it more insanely awesome. I have never seen anything like it before or since. Everything they added, they added tenfold. "We've got a warp zone. Well then lets make it a 'real' world and have each level with a false exit. Oh and throw in an additional secret world with hard as fuck level." "We've got a dinosaur. Well then lets have it do different things with different shells. And have different colored ones that do different things. And they atart as babies and you have to feed them."

So yeah. If this was troll bait; Hook, Line, and indeed, Sinker.

Edited for language.
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We can't stop here, this is Donkey Kong Country!

[Adilegian]

[L]

Oh! I remember!

Y'know how you can battle player 2 on the map? Well, one of the arenas is just a vertical pipe that spurts coins and fireballs in equal quantites. Ecch!

[Adilegian]

[glossolalia]

[negativedge]

[Mr. Mechanical]

[glossolalia]

[Duke Phillips]