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Loki Laufeyson
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:27 pm        Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:28 pm        Reply with quote

Teflon wrote:
Edit: personally even though I'm current hardware-wise I don't enjoy gaming behind a desk much. It feels like work. I've got my TV hooked up but most games are super-awkward about joypads so all I end up doing is watching videos and playing MAME via a stick-controlled frontend.

The newer "Windows Live" games have gotten better about this with X-Box 360 controllers (though some form of standard controller support would be nice).

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Why is laziness an invalid excuse?

I hate to say it, but is laziness ever a valid excuse?

Yes.

For instance,do you think people shouldn't be allowed to use remote controls, because laziness isn't a valid excuse for not using the buttons on the TV? "Making things easier" and "satisfying our laziness" are basically synonyms--it's the purpose of almost all of our technology. Price sensitivity for dealing with frustration is a personal preference, no more valid or invalid than preferring oranges to apples.

I suppose we'll agree to disagree. I don't have a problem with technology making our lives more convenient, just that we shouldn't use inconvenience as an excuse (and yes, I see it as an excuse, for better or worse) to not deal with something.

@Toptube: Many good reasons as to why PCs are inconvenient to deal with, the price point a particularly compelling one. I've thought about many of these, but is there a site that discusses the actual costs versus markups on PC components (in a fashion similar to how we know that the clothes we wear cost about 15 cents to make)?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:38 pm        Reply with quote

The PC component industry is cutthroat, so I would not expect that markups above core production/distribution cost form a large portion of the price (with a few exceptions, like Intel's markup on their CPUs, and the RAM cartel from a few years back).

If you buy a 1000$ PC today, you get hardware that's a *lot* more powerful than a PS3 or 360. Back in 2006 when they came out, those consoles were somewhat more powerful than a 1000$ PC, but they were also being sold at a big loss.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 10:56 pm        Reply with quote

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I don't know, I find my PS3 can be pretty obnoxious and has definitely inherited some of the bad aspects of PCs. I don't use it that much, so I get hit by update nonsense disproportionately often when I do turn it on. If it has a system update, it refuses to let me play until it's downloaded and installed (and they're huge).

Those system updates are a blessing. They can be mildly annoying, especially if you do not connect your PS3 to the internet very often, but suddenly want to jump into an online game.

But, the PS3 now VS. the PS3 at launch has waaaaay more features and is a very mature machine. They've also managed to free up 70mb of system ram usage from the PS3's OS and that ram is now free for dev's to use on games. Its a very forward thought design in both hardware and software.


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Its controllers won't recharge on anything except a turned-on PS3.

PS3 controllers will charge on any* powered USB cable. This includes wall adapters with USB cables on them.

*I have found a few wierd exceptions


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On my PC with Steam at least, it downloads and installs patches in the background while I'm using my computer for other things, and doesn't force me to wait for them at the exact moment when I want to play the game. And, I haven't had any problems with drivers and whatnot in years, although I understand some people may be still be having a bad experience with that stuff depending on their specific hardware.

I garuntee you've had videocard drivers loaded on your machine several times that have problems with games-----its just very likely that you didn't play the particular game for which there was a problem. I think it took ATI 2 or 3 driver updates before they fixed the slower load times issue in Bad Company 2 that was caused by having and ATI GPU.

Blaming SONY and the PS3 for the patching thing is the wrong thing to do. Really, its an issue with development models/schedules that we have so many games now that NEED patches.

Also, online competitive multiplayer is huuuge now and balancing is demanded. A majority of the game patching you are experiencing is for this reason. You're cries are not going unheard, though. I just finished reading an article yesterday about COD: Black Ops and how they managed to setup many of the common balancing tweaks as being alterable by a simple text file. So barring any major overhauls, most of the tweaks for the multiplayer should be transparent. I think this will become a trend.

The PS3 isn't very good at multi-tasking general tasks. So unfortunately, we have to sit and wait while it focuses on downloading and installing a patch. Theoretically SONY could implement something in the XMB specifically for background patching---maybe this will be something we get from Valve's influence and Steam on PS3.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:40 am        Reply with quote

I can still blame Sony for not letting me delay system updates until when it's convenient, and for not bundling in patches in the initial download of downloadable games. What's more, the only game I've played on my PS3 that involves anything like online multiplayer is Demon's Souls. I could care less about the minor bugfixes that most patches include for single-player games, and there's certainly no reason to force them except control freakery.

I realize patches are in principle an improvement over the previous no-patch world we used to have, but the way it's done right now just isn't what it should be. The way Chrome does it is the gold standard: it does it entirely in the background and loads the new version whenever you happen to restart, never mentions it with so much as a popup or corner icon, and also applies clever patch compression algorithms so that they are generally far less than a megabyte. By all means, do your patching, but I as a user/player don't care and it's a UI failure if it ever interrupts me.

Also, one hardware gimmick I've been wishing for is for systems to be able to do background downloading while in sleep mode. It seems like given a bit of flash memory and some clever decoupling of the network chip and the CPU, this could be made to work. That way, I could turn on my PS3 and find the system update already downloaded.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:17 am        Reply with quote

I mostly value the used games market because it's often the only way to find obscure and out of print games.

of course if everything goes downloadable (which I imagine it will 5 years from or so) then that will not be a concern... I rarely buy current gen games used but it's really the only option for anything pre-PS2. which gamestop doesn't sell anyway so I guess there's really no point in me ever setting foot inside one except for the vain and dying hope of finding a copy of ninja 5-0...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:43 am        Reply with quote

SONIC HAT

SONIC HAT!

SONIC HAT!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:06 am        Reply with quote

Broco, automated downloading of updates is available with the Playstation Plus subscription.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:58 am        Reply with quote

cake wrote:
Broco, automated downloading of updates is available with the Playstation Plus subscription.

Although this is true I hope this comment is a joke.

-Wes
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:04 pm        Reply with quote

Texican Rude wrote:




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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 10:35 pm        Reply with quote

Fucking cocksuckers at Fry's wouldn't let me buy Gunblade NY/LA Machineguns for Wii last night. They had like a dozen of them sitting on the shelf, the confused Korean kid at the counter said it wouldn't ring up because the game wasn't out yet... but his computer also said it had a release date Tuesday 8/24. Manager looked at it too and got confused, then told me too bad. But they could hold a copy of it until 8/31 for me. Screw that. It's for sale and shipping now from Best Buy (online, not in my local store) and Amazon now. Gamestop does list it as 8/31.

Now, I know that stores might get in trouble for stuff like breaking release dates on major games (Halo, Madden, etc.) or consoles... but COME ON, it's an obscure Wii game. It had probably been sitting on the shelf since Tuesday, and I was obviously the FIRST person to try to buy it on Thursday night since this confusion was new to everyone. Really people, you're not gonna get in trouble for selling a game that none of your customers (except me!) even give a shit about buying.

So yeah I'll be buying it somewhere else. Now that I think about it, the two games I DID play last night (Dodonpachi Daioujou and Ace Combat Zero), if they were blended together, do have a little bit of the same vibe as Gunblade. I must have been compensating. Still, it's just not the same and I still feel angry at Fry's.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:47 pm        Reply with quote

grr dudes trying not to lose their jobs and shit fuck fuck fuck
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Loki Laufeyson
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:51 pm        Reply with quote

i don't think he's annoyed at the employees as much as the mindless store policy that forced them into that situation
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:55 pm        Reply with quote

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grr dudes trying not to lose their jobs and shit fuck fuck fuck


Yes, certainly they'll lose their jobs for selling a game that's been sitting on their shelf for two days, with their store's item numbers and pricing on it, that is listed in their computers, that is being openly sold by their competitors, and that they'll probably be lucky to sell 10 copies of in the next month to begin with. Come on now, nobody's getting fired for selling this thing and you know it. If they don't want my money, fine, I'll go buy it from their competitors.

Besides, what's the manager gonna do? Fire herself? I get the cashier wondering what's up and asking for help, but the manager's sheer apathy was a bit odd to me and didn't do much to make me want to shop there. This is the one thing that IS good about digital distribution - not dealing with boneheaded shenanigans like I ran into yesterday.

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In other news, not sure if they were ever officially announced for US release, but Square-Enix's North American email newsletter lists Tactics Ogre PSP and Lord of Arcana as coming soon.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:59 pm        Reply with quote

This kind of thing has been par for the course for me whenever I've tried to buy new stuff at retail game stores lately, they're just bizarrely unreliable, inconvenient and rude all around. That whole industry is gonna get annihilated by online stores of various kinds pretty soon I bet.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 12:03 am        Reply with quote

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nobody's getting fired for selling this thing and you know it


That doesn't mean that they know it. You "know" it because you know about obscure videogames. You're at a store that isn't even a specialty retailer and expecting the clerk to assume "I've never heard of this game" most certainly means "nobody cares what I do about this game" when they really have no motivation to risk indulging you over indulging their bosses.

So they were confused. Disappointed? Okay. Angry about it? Come on. "Cocksuckers"? Classy.

fake edit: and if buying it from their competitors is just as easy then what is there to be so mad about anyway? go buy it already.

fake edit 2: so I don't have to reply to whatever you say next: whatever firenze you're okay by me, I just think self-entitled foot stomping because you had to play a game not the exact day you intended is a little silly. cheers.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 2:57 am        Reply with quote

policy at ebgames here in aus is that if a competitor breaks the street date, and you can provide proof (they usually ring up to find out), then they are able to do the same.
it kinda makes sense that they could do that, no?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:52 am        Reply with quote

There should be a thread for noteworthy steam sales because both flavors of Mount & Blade are on sale right now.

If there is such a thread, I'm sorry, I'm lazy.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:24 am        Reply with quote

So we all expected this, but... man.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:36 am        Reply with quote

Didn't think G4 would actually be critical.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:37 am        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
So we all expected this, but... man.


Oh my god, I probably should start watching X-Play again. That was an awesome review.

Who was the person in the Axe who called out the "Adam has not authorized the use of bombs" image? Was it DAIS?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:55 am        Reply with quote

Toto wrote:
policy at ebgames here in aus is that if a competitor breaks the street date, and you can provide proof (they usually ring up to find out), then they are able to do the same.
it kinda makes sense that they could do that, no?
how do you prove that without buying the game in the other place?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 11:30 am        Reply with quote

Childhood trauma can be a real bitch


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:44 pm        Reply with quote

I've recently decided to jump on the whole chronogaming wagon, and with a friend of mine we started a weekly blog concentrating on the GBA games (the whole system is almost 10 years old, so kind of retro, I guess. Plus, as a bonus, almost no fugly 3D to be had there).

Hope at least some of you will find it worth the read. :)

http://gbaweekly.wordpress.com/
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 4:49 pm        Reply with quote



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Nothing we haven't seen before.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 5:45 pm        Reply with quote

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fake edit 2: so I don't have to reply to whatever you say next: whatever firenze you're okay by me, I just think self-entitled foot stomping because you had to play a game not the exact day you intended is a little silly. cheers.


In all honesty, I might not have even played it that night so yeah... perhaps I'm engaging in self-entitled foot stomping ;)

My inability to play the game isn't the biggest deal though, it was just incredibly annoying to have people saying "Yep, it's out - our system says it was released Tuesday but for some reason it won't ring up. Yep, we agree that other retailers are also selling it. Oh well."

Their stated reason was more "we don't know how to override our own computer POS system" than not wanting to sell it for some fear of penalty. But even that's a shitty reason - they have an item number and price for their store (even on a label on the game that was sitting on their shelf), they have manual receipts (I've received them for PC parts before). It felt like they were just lazy and didn't want to take the extra minute or two to figure out some alternative solution for ringing up the sale.

I guess this is really more a jab at retail annoyance. I've gotten spoiled lately buying stuff from Amazon and having it just show up to my door, or on Steam for PC stuff. I'm probably forgetting what I used to just accept as par for the course for retail (and I worked in game retail too).

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Toto wrote:
policy at ebgames here in aus is that if a competitor breaks the street date, and you can provide proof (they usually ring up to find out), then they are able to do the same.
it kinda makes sense that they could do that, no?
how do you prove that without buying the game in the other place?


Same way many stores do price-matching. Either use a printed ad, or call the other store (or, "ring up" if you're Australian) and ask them "do you have X?". It's a sensible policy.

I also could show web pages on my phone that Amazon/Best Buy had the thing in stock and for sale for this instance. Nobody involved doubted the game was out, they just didn't know how to override their computer.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:10 pm        Reply with quote

Ymer wrote:
Childhood trauma can be a real bitch


Metacritic once again proving you shouldn't use Metacritic.
How in the world is it that G4 is the critical voice here? Am I dreaming?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 28, 2010 8:23 pm        Reply with quote

Talbain wrote:
Ymer wrote:
Childhood trauma can be a real bitch


Metacritic once again proving you shouldn't use Metacritic.
How in the world is it that G4 is the critical voice here? Am I dreaming?


I was disappointed by how Other M turned out too but this is pretty stupid, man.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:27 am        Reply with quote

How is that, DAIS?

The only possible way Other M could be considered of any worth whatsoever is if it was actually about Samus Aran's struggle with overcoming her crippling autism, and even then that would only make it slightly more awful than a Lifeline movie.

Oh, and it plays like garbage too.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:39 am        Reply with quote

How do all of you know how Other M plays? Have you spent a lot of time with the (not yet released) game? Do you all have review copies or pirated copies, or what? Or is this speculation?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:45 am        Reply with quote

Actually sounds like it's pretty cool to play.
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Telltale Games is making something. There is no information at all about it, not even a title, except a trailer that said "Bet you never thought these guys would get together" then showed this:


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firenze wrote:
How do all of you know how Other M plays? Have you spent a lot of time with the (not yet released) game? Do you all have review copies or pirated copies, or what? Or is this speculation?


Normally I'd be right there with you, but G4 gives a pretty detailed justification for why the gameplay sucks. They also show decent examples.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2010 1:38 am        Reply with quote

here's a decent example

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Ymer wrote:
Telltale Games is making something. There is no information at all about it, not even a title, except a trailer that said "Bet you never thought these guys would get together" then showed this:



are you sure they aren't just packaging all of their games together or something?
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oh my god immaculate wrote:
Ymer wrote:
Telltale Games is making something. There is no information at all about it, not even a title, except a trailer that said "Bet you never thought these guys would get together" then showed this:



are you sure they aren't just packaging all of their games together or something?


Its looking like its some sort of sequel to Telltales Poker game or some new card game they have been developing.
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so more chintzy looking junk from them :/
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Dual-core PCs to be housed in authentic Commodore 64 shells.

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I guess the telltale thing is better then thinking it'd be an adventure game with all those characters involved.
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is that the tf2 heavy
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Ymer wrote:
Childhood trauma can be a real bitch



Does this Anthony survive !!???!?
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