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Kane & Lynch 2: Dog Days
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Sketch



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:11 pm        Reply with quote

Well, you can let a shield go free... Can't you?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:24 pm        Reply with quote

Also it makes more sense to stick your gun in the face of some terrified civilian and use him for a shield instead of the guy who was just coming at you with a gun and probably has some kind of training.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:28 pm        Reply with quote

Sketch wrote:
Well, you can let a shield go free... Can't you?
yeah, you're not forced to shoot them (though since you can't grab civilians there's no real reason not to shoot them i'd think)
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:34 pm        Reply with quote

Well, shooting unarmed people is wrong is a reason
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:06 pm        Reply with quote

parker wrote:
Well, shooting unarmed people is wrong is a reason
Kane & Lynch don't care, man

it's all about playing a consistent character

you can't be Chaotic Evil and then just start spouting some moral code shit

edit: it's more about the Chaotic part than the Evil part
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:09 pm        Reply with quote

also just realized my post was pretty poorly worded; i meant there's no reason not to shoot your human shield if they happen to be alive after an encounter, because if you let them go they're just going to shoot you since there's no chance of them being an unarmed person
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:04 pm        Reply with quote

Kane & Lynch are definitely Chaotic Neutral. Well, Lynch is. Kane might be Neutral Evil.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 7:44 pm        Reply with quote

CubaLibre wrote:
Kane & Lynch are definitely Chaotic Neutral. Well, Lynch is. Kane might be Neutral Evil.
yeah, i was sort of considering that, and as far as the first game goes i'd say those alignments are pretty accurate

hard to say for this one as yet

btw, does anyone know which ending of K&L is canonical? someone said it was Let Them Burn, but i'm not sure if i believe that
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2010 8:43 pm        Reply with quote

It seems to be, since Kane's still concerned with providing for his daughter.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:48 am        Reply with quote

But, in that ending, Lynch hates Kane for turning his back on the other guys.

Didn't we have this discussion before?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:49 am        Reply with quote

Edit:

Shit, nevermind, someone already posted the Lynch trailer.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:09 am        Reply with quote

Time heals all wounds

I think it's more believable that Lynch would get over being left behind for the opportunity to make money than Kane not eating his own gun after his daughter dies
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 3:44 am        Reply with quote

i got the feeling Lynch and whichever henchman was still around would not have survived on their own, considering they kind of barely scrape through with Kane's help

i guess not though!

also i've seen like eight thousand trailers and vignettes and whatever pop up for this game on my youtube feed and i definitely haven't bothered to watch them all
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:55 am        Reply with quote

parker wrote:
I think it's more believable that Lynch would get over being left behind for the opportunity to make money than Kane not eating his own gun after his daughter dies

Yeah, their relationship is defined by thinly veiled contempt for one another anyway, and I'd imagine Lynch with the life he has, thought of Kane when he needed to get involved deep into criminality because he simply doesn't know anyone else.

That and he probably didn't resent Kane nearly as much for saving his daughter first chance he got than the others naturally would be. He was, after all, the closest thing to a conscience there was by the end of the game once Kane's obsession with revenge - as well as his ill-placed desire for some kind of personal redemption - started to get the better of him.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:55 pm        Reply with quote

Aw shucks I was all hyped for the demo but I can't stand how this actually plays.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:55 pm        Reply with quote

I've seen that sort of comment around online, and I'm not sure where it's coming from.

But then again, I was one of those who felt the first game played well enough, and that this is a definite improvement.

What ways does it strike you badly?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:49 pm        Reply with quote

The controls are kind of sluggish and the cover system is more awkward than it needs to be but more importantly I'm just not feeling the whole endless waves of disposable grunts type of experience.

Which doesn't make immediate sense because I'm fine with similar waves of enemies in Halo or Gears and I put up with GTA4's drunk-ass controls for most of the game but this is a game focused on shooting dudes where I find the shooting of dudes to be frustrating and annoying.


I can't speak for the rest of the internet of course, for all I know they saw a man in his briefs and instantly dismissed it for being homo.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 4:31 pm        Reply with quote

I was gonna play the demo this morning but my roommate is asleep on the couch so I probably won't get to try it until Sunday. Do you press a button to take cover, yet?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 7:39 pm        Reply with quote

Yes.

In K&L1, the cover was useless, the squad stuff was useless, the movement was skatey and the shooting was chaotic and awesome.

In K&L2, the cover is adequate, the squad stuff is gone, the movement is still skatey and the shooting is still chaotic and awesome.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 8:23 pm        Reply with quote

I'm trying the PC demo and for some reason there seems to be this incredible mouse-delay while in game. Not just while playing either but while browsing the menus too. Other then that the game runs fine though but this small problem makes the game very frustrating to play. I actually had this very same problem with the Just Cause 2 demo and I just have no idea what could be causing it. Anyone else ever experience something similar?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:12 pm        Reply with quote

Ymer wrote:
I'm trying the PC demo and for some reason there seems to be this incredible mouse-delay while in game. Not just while playing either but while browsing the menus too. Other then that the game runs fine though but this small problem makes the game very frustrating to play. I actually had this very same problem with the Just Cause 2 demo and I just have no idea what could be causing it. Anyone else ever experience something similar?


I think this might be a thing with PC versions of games developed primarily for console. I've heard other people complain about sluggish mouse look in these kinds of games and have experienced it myself most recently in Halo PC. I think it's a result of the developer making a game with game pads as the primary input device so the whole experience is designed away from the need for pixel-precise aiming like in Quake or what have you. Because of this then when you play a PC port of a console game you can not set the mouse sensitivity high enough because it wasn't made to have super precise and responsive aiming, just a good enough approximation for a joy stick on a game pad.

Like in Halo, they've turned off the auto-aim in the PC version (at least I'm pretty sure they have) but even with the mouse set to the highest sensitivity I still can't move it too fast because if I do it won't feel right, like there's a delay or something. Took me a while to get used to it but basically just don't move the mouse as fast as you'd expect to be able to. Unless it was developed primarily on PC then I think this is something you'll notice more and more. Then again, I haven't played very many PC ports of games but in everyone that I have I've noticed the weird, sort-of built-in mouse lag like you mention. I think it's just the by-product of most games now being designed for controllers.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:14 pm        Reply with quote

It's called mouse smoothing. Borderlands had the same problem. Shitty console > PC ports (most of them) don't have a menu option to turn it off, but usually you can go into a config file somewhere and change the value to false to turn it off.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:25 am        Reply with quote

Heh, I always turn mouse smoothing on, because otherwise it doesn't feel right to me. Guess that's what happens when you learn FPS from consoles.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:30 am        Reply with quote

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of spinning around with no concern for momentum these days.

DooM and Quake still feel perfect on PC.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:25 pm        Reply with quote

So I went to my local comic book shop today looking for one of Ed Brubaker's Criminal graphic novels, which they didn't have, so I picked up the first Kane and Lynch comic instead. My expectations were pretty much zero, and it still sucked. Like the worst kind of fan fiction.

Plot: Kane and Lynch are in Venezuela after killing The 7. Kane is trying to make peace with his daughter. She runs away. Meanwhile, the pair get attacked. There's a price on their heads! The end.

Why are they being hunted, Kane?

"There's a goddamn scorched earth contract out on us! In the event they all get taken down, a termination protocol kicks in! Our data and a shit-load of money gets dumped on the circuit and it's a free for all. Anyone with a gun and a pulse gets to play!"

Other great lines include:

"It's the global recession. People are just doing what they gotta do to get by"--when talking about the people TRYING TO KILL THEM.

"Time to die, motherfucker! You're going to make me a rich man!"
"You got that half right!" BANG BANG.

"They killed her! I had her blood and brains on me!"
"Hey! If Lynch hadn't stepped up, you'd be dead in a ditch next to your mother!"

I could go on, but, eh. I don't think anyone expected this to be good. The art looks like a poor man's Eduardo Risso, If Ben Templesmith had drawn the whole thing I could probably overlook the third grade writing, but he's only done the (admittedly cool) cover. There's also full page ads for NBC's The Event on every other page and it's kind of irritating. So, skip this.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2010 9:55 pm        Reply with quote

It does sound hilariously awful. Still amazing to me DC still put up with this shit, honestly. If they're not even trying, how do they expect to sell in the first place?

Though the high concept premise of a "scorched earth" revenge policy doesn't sound too bad in itself.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:07 am        Reply with quote

Quote:
CS: Have you ever thought of trying to do something in video games?
Refn:
Yeah, some years ago I helped out a game called "Kane & Lynch," to create their trailers and things like that. That was a lot of fun.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 08, 2010 5:10 am        Reply with quote

Wow. No wonder the press for these games is so much better than the games.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:57 pm        Reply with quote



Does this mean co-op adds more incidental dialogue?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:05 pm        Reply with quote

Its "out" and single player is only 5 hours long apparently :/
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 4:34 pm        Reply with quote

Yeah, I noticed it leaked. Don't care about the length as long as it's good.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:50 pm        Reply with quote

Well if the game turns out shitty at least we got all these trailers out of it
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 10:51 pm        Reply with quote

They should get the guy who makes the trailers, to make the game.

Parker first time through I gotta play with my buddy but after that you and me should do this thing.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 11:14 pm        Reply with quote

very few games hold up past 5 hours so I count this as a big plus
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:16 pm        Reply with quote

If they've actually cut out all the filler nonsense that gets put in these games so that reviewers can not bitch about the cost/hour, then this is really great news.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:20 pm        Reply with quote

The review we have been waiting for is here

Kinda strange since Jeff seemed to like the demo in the quick look but I guess the full game didn't seem to capitalise on the momentum since its so short.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:26 pm        Reply with quote

"astoundingly brief"

That old chestnut.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 1:27 pm        Reply with quote

I kind of liked the first game better in some ways.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 4:36 pm        Reply with quote

lol: http://www.destructoid.com/review-kane-lynch-2-dog-days-181575.phtml
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 6:32 pm        Reply with quote

I don't know which is more depressing, the review itself or the comments.
EDIT: sorry for ruining this page.
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