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dark steve
secretary of good times
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Ode To Kirihito is one of my favorites, and really, it's a bargain at $18-25 for like nine hundred pages; it also has some of the best art of his that I've seen in print over here.
Though now that I think about it, that first volume of Blackjack is supposed to be available now! |
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Ebrey
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: Los Angeles
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| Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:52 am |
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Yeah, Kirihito's a good start point for Tezuka since you get the whole story in one book.
Phoenix is my favorite though!
The only Tezuka manga I can't get into is Astroboy. It's printed out of order and so the cast all seem to lack depth. |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
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Ebrey
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: Los Angeles
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:42 am |
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| Simon Oliver's The Exterminators is a delightful celebration of ugliness. It's about ugly people killing disgusting insects in the bad parts of LA. There's sex and corruption and mutation, but what unites everything is that it's all so very ugly. This is a comic with cajones. |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 9:31 pm |
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Jonathan Hickman is very excited about his Marvel gig.
Blatantly:
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| Jonathan's so gung-ho about Secret Warriors that he recently turned in a broad-strokes outline for 60 issues, accompanied by flowcharts and graphs explaining the relationships between all of the various characters, heroes and villains alike! Just look at these examples! |
60+ issues? Well, I'd be very happy to witness the birth of a medium standard creator from the very beginning.
That, and Nick Fury should be the centre of Marvel's universe anyway.
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CubaLibre
the road lawyer
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Balmer
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 12:31 am |
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Someone's been having too much fun with the MGS4 Encyclopedia
Although I guess comic nerds were doing this shit way before videogame nerds
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:02 pm |
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Nick Fury for Big Boss '09
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Leau
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: Metro City
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 8:19 am |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
Joined: 06 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:28 am |
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Aetheric Mechanics is one of the best things Warren Ellis has written in a long, long time.
It helps that it's self-contained and not a mini afflicted by delays and drop in interest on his part. Maybe he should stick to that format.
What would you do if presented with incontrovertible scientific evidence that you didn't exist?
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:57 pm |
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Joker is a fuckload better than The Killing Joke.
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Ebrey
Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: Los Angeles
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:21 pm |
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| dark steve wrote: |
| Though now that I think about it, that first volume of Blackjack is supposed to be available now! |
Yup, there's a softcover and a hardcover with a bonus story that wasn't in the Japanese reprint volume. The extra story has a long and gruesome surgery scene and a disturbing ending, so it's not surprising that it was cut - it's nice to have though.
Black Jack's atmosphere is what makes the series so addicting. Cartoon bodies are cut to reveal disgustingly real muscles and organs. Realistic diseases are interspersed among mystical maladies. The good die young, painfully, and often. This is a series of bleak morality plays, not a drama full of comedy and romance like an American doctor show.
Like Astro Boy, the stories are printed out of order. But it's much less annoying than Astro Boy, because the only characters are Black Jack and Pinoko, and you get their origin stories in this first volume. Astro Boy had a larger supporting cast that weren't introduced in the first collection. |
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UnitedBiscuits
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:36 pm |
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kzkb1
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Location: a city where you don't come to find love, you come to find the truth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:37 pm |
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| Hey guys, I'm probably getting a mini-comic published soon, please buy it 8) |
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Dracko
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 5:42 pm |
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Well, why don't you tell us about it?
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kzkb1
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
Location: a city where you don't come to find love, you come to find the truth
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 10:06 pm |
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| It's an Ivan Brunetti-inspired tale of a meth addict on the worst day of his life. It's only six pages long though so every panel is like going from one punch in the throat to the next, aesthetically--grotesque shit just doesn't stop comin'!!! I've been told it's "really sick" and also "pretty funny." Anyway my INDUSTRY CONNECTION likes it, and that's the important part. I'm going to have it finalized by December so I'll post it here if you're actually interested, I was just joking about asking you to buy it. |
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
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| Posted: Thu Nov 13, 2008 12:34 am |
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Who's publishing it? Is it part of a collection or something?
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Dracko
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 6:35 pm |
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Max Brooks:
He was in prison with Warren Ellis. And his upcoming graphic novel is kind of like The Walking Dead, but better.
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Dark Age Iron Savior
king of finders
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:09 pm |
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| Dracko wrote: |
| Joker is a fuckload better than The Killing Joke. |
could've used an ending
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CubaLibre
the road lawyer
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 8:13 pm |
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Max Brooks... looks a whole lot like Mel Brooks.
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Dracko
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Well, uh, yeah...
They're related, you know?
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| Dracko wrote: |
| Joker is a fuckload better than The Killing Joke. |
could've used an ending |
It had a perfect one.
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Dark Age Iron Savior
king of finders
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:49 pm |
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a perfect lack of one, which doesn't necessarily make up for having an actual one
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Dracko
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| Posted: Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:07 pm |
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It was an ending. What were you expecting?
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spinach
hardline radical martian
Joined: 04 Mar 2008
Location: San Francisco, CA, USA!
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:03 am |
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| Ha. That was pretty good. |
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Dark Age Iron Savior
king of finders
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:44 pm |
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| Dracko wrote: |
| It was an ending. What were you expecting? |
an actual ending, not a "we didn't write an ending because the story never ends SO DEEP"
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Dracko
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 12:27 am |
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God, what were you reading?
An ending to what? I mean, you know Batman is going to win in the end anyway, right? Why the fuck would you want that to interfere in an existentially sound character study of a man who is as much a self-destructive force as he is a chaotically destructive one? Even when he has everything he could hope for, he still ruins it all, a victim to his own psychoses as much as one to a paranoid fantasy of a costumed vigilante.
We have no idea whatsoever what Joker's plan was anyway!
This is about the Joker being a "scared kid" to Ledger's "kid in a candy shop".
And make no mistake, if there's one thing that all interpretations of the Joker have in common, it's that he is a kid.
Endings - as you seem to understand them - are over-rated anyway. Did There Will Be Blood have one? Did The Aeneid have one?
No.
And they were better for it.
P.S. As far as I'm concerned, an ending is when the film, book, game or album is over.
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eskaibo
Joined: 26 Jul 2008
Location: no!! my body
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:53 am |
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| That Max Brooks video was right in the middle of the last bit of Harveyjames' comic for me, for some reason. I recommend the experience! |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 4:45 am |
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Next week, Grant Morrison has promised to give Bruce Wayne "a fate worse than death" at the end of Batman RIP. I'm sure a few of you are reading the storyine... what do you think will happen?
I'm hoping that The Black Glove tells Bruce Wayne that he was actually hired by Wayne, a bored rich person, to brainwash him into thinking his parents were killed. Because he thought it'd be fun to be a superhero. This would fit with the original Black Glove story where Batman asks what rich people do when they get bored, and the Glove promises to offer to offer a high quality experience answering the question "Which is strongest? Good, or evil?" |
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Leau
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:46 pm |
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Nah. Chalk me up in Joker could have used an ending camp. To use Dracko's example, There Will Be Blood doesn't end with any finality; it's largely up to the viewer to interpret. But either way, the character's arc ends. Joker by comparison feels like it was truncated in the middle of a scene. I mean obviously I don't need to see Batman win and drag him back to Arkham to call the story finished; but it just doesn't seem like a third act to me (and it doesn't help that Chill's narration floats off into a vague, kind of forced, coda). Perhaps it's more of a pacing problem?
But that's just my opinion. The end just left me kind of sour, but it's otherwise a fantastic, horribly shocking piece, which left me with a fair bit of disquiet. Just the point I think.
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Leau
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 6:50 pm |
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| Ebrey wrote: |
| Next week, Grant Morrison has promised to give Bruce Wayne "a fate worse than death" at the end of Batman RIP. I'm sure a few of you are reading the storyine... what do you think will happen? |
I'm betting Batman will snap and end up killing one or all of the Black Glove, forcing him to retire the cowl (for awhile) having become exactly what he set out to fight. Maybe that's a "fate worse than death" for Batman, but perhaps it's a little mild... Either way I'm looking foward to finding out!
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Dracko
a sapphist fool
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 9:54 pm |
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Batman is The Sentry and the Joker is The Void.
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 2:27 pm |
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| Dracko wrote: |
| Joker is The Void. |
Dave Sim is the new Batman? |
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Leau
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:26 am |
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Well Batman #681 came out and...
hmmm....
I mean....
hmmm....
I'm interested to know what you gentlemen thought of it.
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Renfrew
catchy, and giger-esque
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 8:33 am |
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Still reading RASL, still enjoying it a lot.
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 1:51 pm |
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| Leau wrote: |
Well Batman #681 came out and...
hmmm....
I mean....
hmmm....
I'm interested to know what you gentlemen thought of it. |
There was a thread about it in axe.
It'd be a decent issue if you read it without knowing all the crap Morrison said about it: that Hurt would be the "biggest surprise in 70 years of Batman" and that it would give Bruce Wayne "a fate worse than death."
He flat out lied to us, probably because he wanted to make the point that superhero characters never really change. But I like stories more than thesis statements, personally.
And I don't like that DC made so much money just by deceiving everyone. |
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Dracko
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:46 pm |
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Awesome issue.
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RobotRocker
C-C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:51 pm |
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| Ebrey wrote: |
| Leau wrote: |
Well Batman #681 came out and...
hmmm....
I mean....
hmmm....
I'm interested to know what you gentlemen thought of it. |
There was a thread about it in axe.
It'd be a decent issue if you read it without knowing all the crap Morrison said about it: that Hurt would be the "biggest surprise in 70 years of Batman" and that it would give Bruce Wayne "a fate worse than death."
He flat out lied to us, probably because he wanted to make the point that superhero characters never really change. But I like stories more than thesis statements, personally.
And I don't like that DC made so much money just by deceiving everyone. |
There was a lot of rumours floating around Comic websites that DiDio and editorial killed the original ending Morrison had in mind and culled a lot that he had planned for Final Crisis as well. I havent read it yet but the ending did seem really scattershot considering Morrison always wraps up his stories so well. It screams "Rushed" to me. The trade for R.I.P collects the next 2-3 issues though, so there could be a bit more to this yet.
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dark steve
secretary of good times
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 7:19 pm |
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bought this on ebay
1966 was a good year |
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Ebrey
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:29 pm |
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Batman 682 is alright. The art's pretty boring, the storyline might even be answering questions but you can't tell yet.
I laughed when a couple of the goofiest villains from Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen showed up. I'm not reading Final Crisis, so maybe they had a role in that first. |
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Marshmallow
just call him badass
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:07 pm |
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| Leau wrote: |
Nah. Chalk me up in Joker could have used an ending camp. To use Dracko's example, There Will Be Blood doesn't end with any finality; it's largely up to the viewer to interpret. But either way, the character's arc ends. Joker by comparison feels like it was truncated in the middle of a scene. I mean obviously I don't need to see Batman win and drag him back to Arkham to call the story finished; but it just doesn't seem like a third act to me (and it doesn't help that Chill's narration floats off into a vague, kind of forced, coda). Perhaps it's more of a pacing problem?
But that's just my opinion. The end just left me kind of sour, but it's otherwise a fantastic, horribly shocking piece, which left me with a fair bit of disquiet. Just the point I think. |
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Man I don't know, I think the ending was pretty good. He throws himself off the bridge at the end, just like he threw the frog off the roof, taking his life back into his own hands instead of letting someone else destroy it. That's what I got from it anyway. I really enjoyed the relationship between Jonny and the Joker, or rather the lack thereof. And really that's what the book was about, and the story ends when that relationship (or lack thereof) ends. I mean really, I don't understand how you folks can think there wasn't an ending. If you thought it was a shit ending, fine, but it certainly has one! |
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Dracko
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 2:38 pm |
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| dark steve wrote: |
bought this on ebay
1966 was a good year |
YES
Steranko did a noir detective illustrated novel called Chandler: Red Tide which is worth hunting down.
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Leau
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| Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2008 2:03 am |
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| Cycle wrote: |
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Man I don't know, I think the ending was pretty good. He throws himself off the bridge at the end, just like he threw the frog off the roof, taking his life back into his own hands instead of letting someone else destroy it. That's what I got from it anyway. I really enjoyed the relationship between Jonny and the Joker, or rather the lack thereof. And really that's what the book was about, and the story ends when that relationship (or lack thereof) ends. I mean really, I don't understand how you folks can think there wasn't an ending. If you thought it was a shit ending, fine, but it certainly has one! |
Whoops, sorry. I honestly didn't think my post had anything spoilerish in it, but I'll try to be more mindful in the future.
And as for the ending, perhaps your reaction depends on who you thought the story was about; Johnny or the Joker. If you thought it was about Johnny then I guess it's a satisfying character study. He idolizes this psycho and he ends up paying for it. And I didn't catch the frog thing the first time - that's a good detail. But if you're like me and you thought it was about the Joker (as one would be wont to do after a book called Joker) and that Johnny was a POV character, since getting in the Joker's head wouldn't really work...then...not so much. The Joker has no character arc. Nothing really happens. He's a horror at the start and a horror at the end. It's akin to looking at something nasty under a microscope for ten minutes. It's fascinating, but not exactly narratively satisfying. And like I said in my post, it really does end in the middle of the scene. The camera pans back and it says the end. Everything is the same as it was. Now that may very well be the point. I don't know. But again; unsatisfying.
But I still think it's a great book! It's just this one element that I didn't like.
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